It is time to end our relationship with Israel

[Roudy]

Genocide? LOL!

How many bombs has Israel dropped?

How many dead Arab civilians?

What can we expect from uneducated fools.

 

[Roudy]

When are you racist hateful Zionists going to realize what you’ve done?
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That doesn’t prove genocide retard, Hamas started this, Israel will finish it. Deal with it, or not, nobody gives a shit, even if you post another 1,000 bullshit propaganda posts. Israel will do what it has to do, and it will.

 

[Roudy]

Do you know anything about 10/7 other than the Zionist propaganda you were told? Do you not know the border patrol was told to stand down? Do you not know that border was the most surveilled border in the world? The IOF knew if a mouse was moving along it. Do you think a rag tag group of men with small arms would have any chance against the IOF? Do you not know Israel was forewarned a year in advance? Do you not know of the Hannibal Directive which was imposed that day and killed many Israelis?

I certain I know nothing of any of these facts.

Yawn, you first were singing a different tune, you admitted to Oct. 7 but you said Hamas is underground, why are buildings above ground being targeted. So what is it now moron…the idiotic claim is that this whole thing was an Israeli false flag operation?! Ha ha ha ha! Really?

This is exactly why Israel always wins its wars against you ignorant, illiterate, mentally ill animals.

 

[Roudy]

"IDF'S 'HUMAN SHIELDS'"




Your long debunked claim is demonstrably false and is even older than the infamous Israeli "Headless Babies" fable.

First, because IDF targets women and children anyway, (1), (2) what good are they as a "Human Shield"?

Next, the longer that Netanyahu's genocide continues, more and more IDF members are either committing suicide, refusing to serve and / or exposing Israel's war crimes. (3)

Among those war crimes is the use of Palestinians as Human Shields which is the opposite of what you claimed.

Face facts.

Virtually the whole world is repulsed by and strongly opposed to the genocidal ambitions of Netanyahu and his militant right wing element.

I think that most rational people can see that attempting to obfuscate Netanyahu's genocide when it alienates friendly governments and unites enemies is not "supporting Israel".

No amount of scripted evasions, "whataboutery" and howling "anti Semite" is going to change that fact.







(1). "Israel’s war on Gaza is deliberately targeting children – new UN report"

Israel’s war on Gaza is deliberately targeting children – new UN report

Children represent the future. In Gaza that future is being snuffed out.

theconversation.com

EXCERPT "The report alleges deliberate acts have been aimed against mothers and children, including the destruction of Gaza’s main fertility clinic, Basma IVF clinic, which it said amounted to “a genocidal act under the Rome Statute and Genocide Convention”. It concluded that “this was done with the intent to destroy the Palestinians in Gaza as a group, in whole or in part, and that this is the only inference that could reasonably be drawn from the acts in question”. CONTINUED


(2). “More women and children killed in Gaza by Israeli military than any other recent conflict in a single year”

More women and children killed in Gaza by Israeli military than any other recent conflict in a single year – Oxfam | Oxfam International

www.oxfam.org

EXCERPT “More women and children have been killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the past year than the equivalent period of any other conflict over the past two decades, new Oxfam analysis has found.

As hostilities and tragic loss of life spread in Lebanon and the West Bank - including East Jerusalem - the regional escalation underscores the urgent need for an immediate and permanent ceasefire.” CONTINUED



(3). “The Israeli military has used Palestinians as human shields in Gaza, soldier and former detainees say”

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-human-shields-israel-military-gaza-intl

EXCERPT “The Israeli military has forced Palestinians to enter potentially booby-trapped houses and tunnels in Gaza to avoid putting its troops in harm’s way, according to an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldier and five former detainees who said they were victims of the practice.

The soldier, who said his unit held two Palestinian prisoners for the explicit purpose of using them as human shields to probe dangerous places, said the practice was prevalent among Israeli units in Gaza.” CONTINUED

Meh, do you ever have anything else to say other than the usual lies and total bullcrap copied and pasted from websites for delusional idiots?

 

[Shusha]

1. Israel demolishes non-Jewish family homes when a family member is convicted of certain crimes.
2. Jewish "settler" gangs freely roam and terrorize non-Jewish families, even to the extent of burning down their houses.
3. non-Jewish children are arrested and imprisoned without trial.
4. Pregnant non-Jewish women must pass multiple check points to get to hospitals sometimes giving birth in the street.

I'll stop there with just these four, this isn't just Gaza, this was the "stalemate" in the West Bank too, these were routine events, typical almost any week one cares to pick.

Do you accept these four points, I'm prepared to support each one.

These four examples need far more clarification and understanding than just one sentence. (Although I will make one. The distinction between Jewish and non-Jewish does not exist in Israeli law. The distinction is citizen or not-citizen. And yes, citizens are also held under administrative attention under various Security Measures Acts.)

That said, there are four examples I could come up with on the other side. And each of us has a hundred more we could bring. It is a pointless exercise to trade complaints of abuses. (And yes, they are abuses, and they occur on both sides, and they are often the consequences of specific choices. For example, it would be fantastic if Palestinian citizens could freely pass without border checks between Areas A, B, Gaza and Israel. Just as it would be fantastic if Israeli citizens could freely pass without border checks between Israel and Areas A, B, and Gaza. The reason this is not a viable option is because of terrorist acts committed by Arabs and the subsequent security needs of Israel.)

It was a stalemate on October 6, because Arabs Palestinians were conducting relatively low-level aggressions and Israel's response was measured and limited in time and scope. Minor skirmishes and boundary-pushing within the status quo.

October 7 was an escalation in two ways: the scope of the attack, and the intended contribution of Iran and Iran's other proxies in a large-scale attack. That was the end of the stalemate (status quo).

Now both sides are in existential crisis. (Not that it hasn't been always there, lurking underneath.) There were ever only three options: peace, status quo, escalation. Iran and Hamas chose escalation. Shrug. It was an option.)

 

[toomuchtime_]

As I was explaining to irosie91 and Lisa558 and BackAgain the Zionist ethnic cleansing of Palestine was a subject of discussion as far back as WW1.

And yet it never happened and isn't happening now, so ignorant bigots like you have always been around to tell these lies

 

[Correll]

Thanks.

Well at that point in time quite a few things were true, here's a snippet

1. Israel demolishes non-Jewish family homes when a family member is convicted of certain crimes.
2. Jewish "settler" gangs freely roam and terrorize non-Jewish families, even to the extent of burning down their houses.
3. non-Jewish children are arrested and imprisoned without trial.
4. Pregnant non-Jewish women must pass multiple check points to get to hospitals sometimes giving birth in the street.

I'll stop there with just these four, this isn't just Gaza, this was the "stalemate" in the West Bank too, these were routine events, typical almost any week one cares to pick.

Do you accept these four points, I'm prepared to support each one.

1. When dealing with suicide bombers and the like, what kind of punishment do you want to use to "deter" the dead guy?

For one example.

 

[Correll]

It is incumbent on your side to get 30 "believers" to demonstrate what you claim happened.

Your side CANNOT DO THAT. Mossad asked Felix B. to give it a shot...

107 is insanely obvious bullshit hate hoax, right down to showing us a missile hit... from Ukraine.

and it is not the first time Israel LIED TO US about "being attacked from Gaza" as a prelude to invasion/genocide/Exodus style land grab...

https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/CIA-Analysis-1967-War.pdf

Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis—contrary to their claims—had fired first.) President Johnson was gratified that because of CIA analyses and Helms’s tip, he could inform congressional leaders later in the day that he had been expecting Israel’s move.



... because that was the goal all along...

off JFK
install Zionist Fascist mass murderer LBJ
hate hoax Gulf of Tonkin
start/escalate 'nam war
force America to manufacture weapons for army and marines in 'nam
put weapons on navy boats with Jewish captains
sail boats to Israel, stiffing our US Army and Marines in 'nam, who will all tell you they were promised new weapons that never arrived....


then we were informed that the IDF was exterminating the residents of Gaza, we sent the USS Liberty to investigate that....

The Most Incredible Story Never Told: LBJ’s Order to Destroy the USS Liberty

by Judy Morris LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON is a president who has escaped the scrutiny and judgment of history despite considerable documentation that should make him an outstanding candidate for historical review, critique, and analysis. His primary biographer, Robert Caro, consistently gets rave...

nationalvanguard.org

Sorry, not buying that. You want to make the case that hte 10/7 attack didn't happen, you need to convince... someone who is credible to me, before I even consider looking into that mess.

 

[EMH]

Sorry, not buying that. You want to make the case that hte 10/7 attack didn't happen, you need to convince... someone who is credible to me, before I even consider looking into that mess.

Trump to Tucker : many people tell me 107 never happened

108 RAV Morning Sunrise, interviews church leader in Nazareth

WE HAD A QUIET NIGHT HERE


Charlie Kirk 108

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/10/17/charlie_kirk_did_someone_in_israel_tell_army_to_stand_down_during_attack_thats_a_legitimate_non-conspiracy_question.html

CHARLIE KIRK: I've been to Israel many times, the whole country is a fortress. When I first heard this story, I still have the same gut instinct that I did initially. I find this very hard to believe.

I've been to that Gaza border. You cannot go ten feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15 or an automatic machine gun that is an IDF soldier. The whole country is surveilled. Let me just go through this. We don't talk about Israeli politics very often and most Americans don't know this. In the last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war, it's not an exaggeration. This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli constitution. That's not an exaggeration, he said the judicial branch has too much power. There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets, that's all gone. Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead.

I'm not willing to go so far to say Netanyahu knew, or there was intelligence here, but I think some questions need to be asked. Was there a stand-down order? Was there a stand-down order?

Six hours? I don't believe it. Israel is the size of New Jersey, when I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border, it was 45 minutes. For six hours, they're live streaming the killing of Jews. Did somebody in the government say stand down? That is a legitimate non-conpiracy question.

The whole country is the IDF, and you're trying to tell me that they're going to concerts and kibbutzim and schools for six hours?




Early November 2023 CBS This Morning shows Tel Aviv skyline and highway system completely undamaged.



The IDF carpet bombing was done with ZERO CONCERN for any "hostages."


107 is a more obvious fraud than 911....

 

[Roudy]

Trump to Tucker : many people tell me 107 never happened

108 RAV Morning Sunrise, interviews church leader in Nazareth

WE HAD A QUIET NIGHT HERE


Charlie Kirk 108

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/10/17/charlie_kirk_did_someone_in_israel_tell_army_to_stand_down_during_attack_thats_a_legitimate_non-conspiracy_question.html

CHARLIE KIRK: I've been to Israel many times, the whole country is a fortress. When I first heard this story, I still have the same gut instinct that I did initially. I find this very hard to believe.

I've been to that Gaza border. You cannot go ten feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15 or an automatic machine gun that is an IDF soldier. The whole country is surveilled. Let me just go through this. We don't talk about Israeli politics very often and most Americans don't know this. In the last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war, it's not an exaggeration. This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli constitution. That's not an exaggeration, he said the judicial branch has too much power. There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets, that's all gone. Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead.

I'm not willing to go so far to say Netanyahu knew, or there was intelligence here, but I think some questions need to be asked. Was there a stand-down order? Was there a stand-down order?

Six hours? I don't believe it. Israel is the size of New Jersey, when I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border, it was 45 minutes. For six hours, they're live streaming the killing of Jews. Did somebody in the government say stand down? That is a legitimate non-conpiracy question.

The whole country is the IDF, and you're trying to tell me that they're going to concerts and kibbutzim and schools for six hours?




Early November 2023 CBS This Morning shows Tel Aviv skyline and highway system completely undamaged.



The IDF carpet bombing was done with ZERO CONCERN for any "hostages."


107 is a more obvious fraud than 911....

Anybody who claims that 10/7 didn’t happen, despite all the selfie video evidence proudly provided by the Hamas animals themselves (and celebrated by Palestinians), is a brainless, soulless lunatic.

 

[Correll]

Trump to Tucker : many people tell me 107 never happened

108 RAV Morning Sunrise, interviews church leader in Nazareth

WE HAD A QUIET NIGHT HERE


Charlie Kirk 108

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/10/17/charlie_kirk_did_someone_in_israel_tell_army_to_stand_down_during_attack_thats_a_legitimate_non-conspiracy_question.html

CHARLIE KIRK: I've been to Israel many times, the whole country is a fortress. When I first heard this story, I still have the same gut instinct that I did initially. I find this very hard to believe.

I've been to that Gaza border. You cannot go ten feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15 or an automatic machine gun that is an IDF soldier. The whole country is surveilled. Let me just go through this. We don't talk about Israeli politics very often and most Americans don't know this. In the last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war, it's not an exaggeration. This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli constitution. That's not an exaggeration, he said the judicial branch has too much power. There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets, that's all gone. Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead.

I'm not willing to go so far to say Netanyahu knew, or there was intelligence here, but I think some questions need to be asked. Was there a stand-down order? Was there a stand-down order?

Six hours? I don't believe it. Israel is the size of New Jersey, when I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border, it was 45 minutes. For six hours, they're live streaming the killing of Jews. Did somebody in the government say stand down? That is a legitimate non-conpiracy question.

The whole country is the IDF, and you're trying to tell me that they're going to concerts and kibbutzim and schools for six hours?




Early November 2023 CBS This Morning shows Tel Aviv skyline and highway system completely undamaged.



The IDF carpet bombing was done with ZERO CONCERN for any "hostages."


107 is a more obvious fraud than 911....

Nice moving of the goalposts. Now you are not saying that the attack didn't happen, but that the army was ordered to "Stand down" for the attack.


Very different argument.

Why did you change it up like that?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1. When dealing with suicide bombers and the like, what kind of punishment do you want to use to "deter" the dead guy?

In the US when McVeigh carried out the terrorist bombing in Oklahoma, do you think we should have demolished his house if he'd lived with a wife and children? Make that family homeless?

Also these home demolitions are not exclusively applied to suicide bombings, but a range of offenses, for example if a US teenager shot at a Police officer, would you be happy to see his family's home demolished and his family made homeless?

 

[Correll]

In the US when McVeigh carried out the terrorist bombing in Oklahoma, do you think we should have demolished his house if he'd lived with a wife and children? Make that family homeless?

Also these home demolitions are not exclusively applied to suicide bombings, but a range of offenses, for example if a US teenager shot at a Police officer, would you be happy to see his family's home demolished and his family made homeless?

THE US does not, yet, have a serious population of suicide bombers and attackers.

That you made such a bad analogy to defend your position on this, is you losing the debate.


Do you now concede this point?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

THE US does not, yet, have a serious population of suicide bombers and attackers.

So if it did, you'd advocate for this? demolish the family's home and make the family homeless?

That you made such a bad analogy to defend your position on this, is you losing the debate.


Do you now concede this point?

 

[Correll]

So if it did, you'd advocate for this? demolish the family's home and make the family homeless?

I would want the problem solved, and I would not be open to hearing excuses as to why we had to put up with it.


Demolishing the homes of the bombers?

TO BE CLEAR, **** YES. IN Fact, historically, such behavior is extremely restrained.

The vast majority of history, including any nation you think is better than Isreal, the standard response would be a massive reprisal against the whole community.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I would want the problem solved, and I would not be open to hearing excuses as to why we had to put up with it.

How does one "solve" terrorism? For example the terrorism carried out by the Czech resistance when they bombed Heydrich's car in 1942?

Do you agree with the actions the Germans took after that event?

Demolishing the homes of the bombers?

TO BE CLEAR, **** YES. IN Fact, historically, such behavior is extremely restrained.

I see.

The vast majority of history, including any nation you think is better than Isreal, the standard response would be a massive reprisal against the whole community.

Like what's happening in Gaza you mean?

 

[Correll]

How does one "solve" terrorism? For example the terrorism carried out by the Czech resistance when they bombed Heydrich's car in 1942?

So, you are implying that since the NAZIS had anti-terrorism polices that all such policies are bad?

I can see why you wouldn't want to be clear on that point. Stating it clearly would make you look retarded.

Do you agree with the actions the Germans took after that event?

I see.

Like what's happening in Gaza you mean?

No, I mean really harsh, like salting the earth, or burning teh whole area to the ground.

Hey, Smart guy. How about you be honest about what YOU would choose it we had such an issue in this country.


YOUR POLICY?


A. give the terrorists what they want.

b. learn to accept random bombings as part of the new normal.

c. other. please explain.

 

[Shusha]

THE US does not, yet, have a serious population of suicide bombers and attackers.

So if it did, you'd advocate for this? demolish the family's home and make the family homeless?

Since the families of terrorists are incentivized under the "pay for slay" program, it seems, if nothing else, balancing to have the families of terrorists also have a deterrence.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Since the families of terrorists are incentivized under the "pay for slay" program, it seems, if nothing else, balancing to have the families of terrorists also have a deterrence.

I didn't ask your view, I already know you support racism.

 

[Shusha]

I didn't ask your view, I already know you support racism.

I don't need your permission to post. My positions are consistently applied to all regardless of race, ethnicity, religion. What you have a tendency to do is pretend that Israel is operating alone in this and that any actions they take are unrelated to the actions of the Arabs.