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The boxes under the table happen but it was not fraud. They explained that that is the process that they use. put boxes under the table until they are needed for the next phase of the process.

The guy who made the statement of delivering boxes is the word of one man who didn't bother to take pictures of this evidence. The same guy who claims he sees ghosts and takes videos of his search for ghosts. Yeah you seem to want to believe this guy story. Why because it sound convenient. Still one person word is not proof. where is the evidence. But I can understand if you can relate to him as he sees ghosts.

Saddest thing is that you might actually believe this.

The saddest thing is that you do believe the word of one man that there is fraud with no proof. The only proof you have is it appeared on television. Now that is sad.

Pictures of boxes under the table being record by video and that is proof enough for you. I would say it is sad but it is about par when someone desperately needs to believe something and they take the easy way out. Someone told me it was true.

Carone the star witness Wayne County Circuit Judge Timothy Kenn on November 13 concluded that Carone’s “allegations are simply not credible

There are police reports accusing Mellissa Anne Wright of crimes. Online databases show Carone has used the name Mellissa Carone-Wright

One lawsuit claimed that Carone sent “pornographic videos of herself” and her current boyfriend, the father of the other woman’s child, and then told police the other woman had hacked into her email and stolen the videos.

I can see why she is so believable to the right.

Ask yourself this Anne, why has there been no convictions of all the incidents you have pasted and copied. If it is a crime then take it to court.



Ask yourself why is it run in every right wing outlet. Well I will answer it for you. Because news outlets do not require proof only someone making a statement.
"The saddest thing is that you do believe the word of one man that there is fraud with no proof. The only proof you have is it appeared on television. Now that is sad. "

No proof????

Only imbeciles like you are still claiming 'no proof.'

Actually, your side has admitted it.




The progression that proves the premise:

No evidence of voter fraud!
No evidence of widespread voter fraud!
Not enough evidence of widespread voter fraud!
Not enough evidence of widespread voter fraud has been proven!
Not enough evidence of widespread voter fraud has been proven that would change or alter the election!

It's pretty much their admission that they stole the election from the man who actually won it, and gave it to the bought and paid for servant of Communist China.


But they might have this much in their argument: not widespread......but targeted voter fraud- in the swing states.


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Radical and unhinged. Keep it up and stay focused on Trump lost the election. Admit that Trump lost and the only issues is that he attempted to commit election fraud when he called the AG for more votes. Talked with repub congressman to change the electoral vote so that he would win.

Also he got political chic, Rudy, and that other lawyer to make his case. Proof of election fraud is not the same as saying there is election fraud.

Of course there was fraud, a stolen election.....


.....that's why you are so panicked.


Let's review the details:

Sen. Rand Paul Joins ABC's "This Week" - January 24, 2021 describing what we know of the election



SENATOR RAND PAUL, (R-KY): Well, what I would say is that the debate over whether or not there was fraud should occur, we never had any presentation in court where we actually looked at the evidence. Most of the cases were thrown out for lack of standing, which is a procedural way of not actually hearing the question.

There were several states in which the law was changed by the secretary of state and not the state legislature. To me, those are clearly unconstitutional…



Were there people who voted twice? Were there dead people who voted? Were there illegal aliens who voted? Yes, and we should get to the bottom of it.



I’ll give you an example. In my state, when we had a Democrat secretary of state, she refused, even under federal order, to purge the roles of illegal voters.





In Wisconsin, tens of thousands of absentee votes had only the name on them and no address. Historically those were thrown out, this time they weren't. They made special accommodations because they said, oh, it’s a pandemic and people forgot what their address was.

So they changed the law after the fact. That is wrong, that's unconstitutional…. I won’t be cowed by liberals in the media who say, there's no evidence here and you're a liar if you talk about election fraud.

I believe in Pennsylvania, they broke the law, and I believe if that ever will get a real hearing in the Supreme Court, it was denied for standing. It wasn’t actually taken up. If it were taken up, I do believe that the Supreme Court would overrule and say that they did break the law illegally.



It was never studied.

Should we investigate the fact that tens of thousands of absentee ballots did not have addresses on them and normally were disqualified, but this time, they were counted? Should we examine that?




I think there was great deal of evidence of fraud and changing of the election laws illegally. And I think a thorough investigation is warranted.”

I want to look at election fraud and I want to look at secretaries of state who illegally changed the voter laws without the permission of their state legislatures. That is incontrovertible, it happened.

And you can't just sweep it under the rug and say, oh, nothing to see here, and everybody is a liar and you're a fool if you bring this up.”






Did that upset you????

Excellent.

That hardly upset me. Rand offers no proof and it just his opinion and like Trump does not understand anything. Guess he will be running in 2024 as the younger version of Trump

Most of the cases were thrown out for lack of standing, which is a procedural way of not actually hearing the question.

Most of the cases well that implies some cases were heard. So show me the fraud based on those cases heard


Lack of standing

Standing is the ability of a party to bring a lawsuit in court based upon their stake in the outcome. A party seeking to demonstrate standing must be able to show the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged. Otherwise, the court will rule that you "lack standing" to bring the suit and dismiss your case.

Lingo for you

Don't waste our time because you will lose your case in the end. So get lost The case you submitted does not show fraud. Your just keeping Trump happy by submitting suits on his behalf.

Legal question about whether states can do what they did. Well one suit was heard and the judge did throw it out. Saying if you were against it why didn't you file a case when it became changed. Why are you waiting years later and bringing the suit because your guy lost.

Legal question about the election process will be determined in a court of law. Not the court of right wing sites and detractors. Show me a case where something was overturned. Do not quote Rand a know Trump wannabe who is speaking to his boys.

Rand said the problem was that in Wisconsin the ballots had the name but no address. That was wrong. It was the witness who signed and had some address errors of the witness. It was not the voter. Republican made this suggestion to have a witness address and if it was in error how it should be cured.

Big mistake if you can't even articulate the reason or understand the reason why ballots should be thrown out.

The law in Wisconsin. Voters have to registered. To request mail in ballots they have to show ID. Exception are for those who are sick and cannot go to locations to show ID. They will also need a witness sign the mail in ballot.

Still it was the repubs in Wisconsin who proposed the remedy of witness address errors. Such as they didn't fill out the municipality. Clerks can rectify simple errors like that instead of throwing ballot out. The STATE required the witness signature and then because of some minor issues with address then the voter ballot gets thrown outt. No way Jose. If the clerk can remedy by looking up the municipality then it is all good. That is the humane thing to do.

That is how Trump got elected




I believe in Pennsylvania, they broke the law

Well what you believe is not the law.

Laws changed in another state are unconstitutional. Wow that is a big word. Take it to court instead of using big words that have no meaning as they still exist and have not been struck down. He is not a lawyers or judge and it is just his opinion.

Still that does not show voter fraud. It just making excuses for why Trump lost. Instead of the obvious Truth that he was voted out of office by the opposition.


Wisconsin. How can he say vote fraud when he can not even define what the issue is.
The problem was with the address of the witness Yet this policy was used in the 2016 election. I didn't hear Trump or Rand complain then. Did you annie?

well general this procedure was place in 2016 which allow the clerks wait to remedy the situation of witness address problems

Trump did a lawsuit and they heard the case and they ruled against Trump based on the claim of the witness address problems. The court ruled that the procedure that they had in place in 2016 was the same one that was used in 2020. The were not going to throw out votes in 2020. If it was a problem then Trump should have contested it in 2016 when they did the same thing. The trump team could not explain why now it is a problem now when it wasn't a problem before.

If you and rand thing that it is a problem now then now is the time to bring a suit about how they process witness address problem. Explain why it should be done away with or illegal.

Break it down for you



This is not voter fraud, it is just procedural ways they do things.

Don't cry Annie.


Stop worrying.

You got away with stealing the election.....even you can't be dumb enough to imagine that 80 million voted for Biden.


Now we have to see how pleased you are with this:

Let’s check.

Joe Biden promised to govern as a moderate. On day one he signed EO's: —Letting biological men take over women's sports & locker rooms —Calling for amnesty for millions of illegals —Ending deportations —Killing thousands of good paying jobs Is anyone surprised?



In less than 72 hours, Joe Biden: —Killed 70,000+ jobs —Eliminated women's sports —Invaded Syria —Left the National Guard to freeze in a garage —Admitted he doesn't have a plan to fight COVID —Broke his own mask mandate EO —Ended US energy independence Do you miss Trump yet?"
Here We Go: Text Messages Reveal Biden Voters Already Regret What They’ve Done | Tea Party





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Remember this?

"you can't use executive orders unless you are a dictator."

Posted Tuesday, January 26, 2021, at 6:39 PM

You will have to search far and wide for news media quoting Joe Biden about the use of executive orders. It was out there in October but seems to have been scrubbed quite well, since he has taken over the Presidency and is using EXECUTIVE ORDERS. Just found it interesting.

"Former United States Vice President Joe Biden, who is running against President Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, said that he would not use executive orders to implement his policies because "you can't use executive orders unless you are a dictator.""

" The comments came as he was asked about his tax policy and if it would be a priority. Biden said that he would depend on the votes in Congress but stressed that raising taxes would help the US economy grow more than it would under a second Trump term. " Huh? Would that be a healthy growth or something temporary?"







We one the election using the same rules that Trump won his elections. Do not worry Trump is gone for good.

Despite the thread title it is over

That is why your changing the subject to what Biden is doing now

"We one (sic) the election..."


And so, inadvertent proof of everything I have ever said about Democrat voters and government school grads.

Your argument is no different that when you all support Obama citizenship question. You just love conspiracies and will believe them because it suits you or you all have nothing else to stand on but lies.

Show me a conviction based on your proof.

And stop trying to connect the dots as someone needs to take away your crayons.


"Your argument is no different that when you all support Obama citizenship question."

WHAT?????


Let me translate that….wait ‘til I get my Rosetta Stone.
"And so, inadvertent proof of everything I have ever said about Democrat voters and government school grads."

Believe me if you can't get over Trump lost because of election fraud then the original Rosetta Stone may be out of your league. But them again you may want to learn a new language.

so translate the above quote in Russian and it still will mean nothing.


나는 두 가지 언어를 사용합니다 .... 둘 다 잘합니다.

if you say you speak two languages and do it well but you still languish under the believe that it matters and ruin what intelligence you may have by repeating conspiracies based on hearsay.


Everything I post is linked, sourced, and documented.....

....and 100% true, correct and accurate.

Everything.

All your saying is you found a source and posted it and therefore it must be true, correct and accurate. Is that another circular argument.

I am not doubting your ability to copy and paste.

I am doubting your source and the accuracy of Rand. How he interprets information.

I mention already how he got the signature issue confused

Now even his statement that Demo Ag refused to purge voter name based on a lawsuit is misleading

The state election board and judicial watch wanted them to remove names of voter who have not voted in awhile. They had no proof that they were dead but they just want to remove them because they have no voted. It doesn't represent voter fraud just how you manage the voter roll.


Everyone knows the truth.....even a liar like you.


Here's your sort edging closer and closer to admitting it.

The progression that proves the premise:

No evidence of voter fraud!
No evidence of widespread voter fraud!
Not enough evidence of widespread voter fraud!
Not enough evidence of widespread voter fraud has been proven!
Not enough evidence of widespread voter fraud has been proven that would change or alter the election!

It's pretty much their admission that they stole the election from the man who actually won it, and gave it to the bought and paid for servant of Communist China.


But they might have this much in their argument: not widespread......but targeted voter fraud- in the swing states.

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Yet ;you still do not provide any proof. Just circular arguments.

I submit that you believe something and will create a reason to believe it. When faced with facts you will change the subject. Then you will go into your circular dance.

Once faced with facts then you will just stick to the only truism that you know.

The art of conspiracy

The lack of evidence does not make it not true

They spread widely before any facts are examined or repeat it enough times that it takes on a life of its own.

Simpler explanations are not considere

If I say it and say I it often then it must be true.

Your new poster boy

Rand -
I believe in Pennsylvania, they broke the law

key word believe they did something but does not provide any verifiable proof .

If he had proof he would say I know


Trump's team contends that votes cast early in-person in Milwaukee and Dane counties — the state's most populous counties — should be disqualified since the ballots did not include a separate application.

Yet in other counties that had higher number and Trump had won, He did not challenge. He just challenges the counties where he lost.

The same procedures they did in 2020 was the same in 2016 when he won. Yet he did not challenge it then. What is the difference. Well it is a difference between a win and and losing. If he lost there must be a reason and he is not the reason.
 

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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.


And now we know the courts didn’t allow a single instance of evidence of fraud to be presented to date.
Americans are livid with the actions that took place in the 2020 election and believe the election was stolen. There are numerous reasons for this.
 
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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.


And now we know the courts didn’t allow a single instance of evidence of fraud to be presented to date.
Americans are livid with the actions that took place in the 2020 election and believe the election was stolen. There are numerous reasons for this.
It will never be over because the fraud happened and it will continue to be fact no matter how much or how long you lie.
 

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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.


And now we know the courts didn’t allow a single instance of evidence of fraud to be presented to date.
Americans are livid with the actions that took place in the 2020 election and believe the election was stolen. There are numerous reasons for this.
It will never be over because the fraud happened and it will continue to be fact no matter how much or how long you lie.

ITS OVER:

 
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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.


And now we know the courts didn’t allow a single instance of evidence of fraud to be presented to date.
Americans are livid with the actions that took place in the 2020 election and believe the election was stolen. There are numerous reasons for this.
It will never be over because the fraud happened and it will continue to be fact no matter how much or how long you lie.

ITS OVER:

It will never be over. The fraud happened and it will be proven. I bet you can't wait.
 

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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.


And now we know the courts didn’t allow a single instance of evidence of fraud to be presented to date.
Americans are livid with the actions that took place in the 2020 election and believe the election was stolen. There are numerous reasons for this.
It will never be over because the fraud happened and it will continue to be fact no matter how much or how long you lie.

ITS OVER:

It will never be over. The fraud happened and it will be proven. I bet you can't wait.
As I told Stepford (beautress) its going to be fun watching the 4 year tantrum.....
 
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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.


And now we know the courts didn’t allow a single instance of evidence of fraud to be presented to date.
Americans are livid with the actions that took place in the 2020 election and believe the election was stolen. There are numerous reasons for this.
It will never be over because the fraud happened and it will continue to be fact no matter how much or how long you lie.

ITS OVER:

It will never be over. The fraud happened and it will be proven. I bet you can't wait.
As I told Stepford (beautress) its going to be fun watching the 4 year tantrum.....
The last four year and continuing tantrum were not enough for you? They are so scared of Trump and his supporters they are absolutely desperate. They have defrauded Americans choice and they will pay on way or the other. They have two years to fuck up our rights and freedoms and they are in high gear.
 

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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.
Look . . . I am just as pissed off about the 2020 presidential election as any patriotic American. That being said, what is over is the Trump presidency. No court decision is going to put Trump back in the Oval Office. No judge anywhere, at any level is going to get involved in that kind of business, the business of potentially cracking the foundation of our civilization. So what good then can come out of these cases? The time for Trump to act was when he still wielded the full power of the POTUS. He chose not to act, not to hold the election again and now he's out and corpse Biden is in.
Because it will delegitimize the Biden-Harris administration and will make it impossible to do anymore harm to the United States than he already had done
 
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The Board of Supervisors have played all sorts of games to defer and dodge a comprehensive and accurate ballot of their results!



But now they could face jail time, if they did they would be the first casualties of the disputed 2020 elections.
In any case, if the election officials are clear and are telling the truth why delay the audit?


The Senate had given the county supervisors a deadline of noon Tuesday to say when they would comply with the disputed subpoenas, which Maricopa County has challenged in court and says are outside the purview of the Senate’s legal authority. After conferring with legal counsel on Tuesday morning, the supervisors again refused the Senate’s demand for ballot tabulation machines, software, data and more than 2 million paper ballots.

Why? If there was no fraud what is their excuse? It is not over.
 

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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.
Look . . . I am just as pissed off about the 2020 presidential election as any patriotic American. That being said, what is over is the Trump presidency. No court decision is going to put Trump back in the Oval Office. No judge anywhere, at any level is going to get involved in that kind of business, the business of potentially cracking the foundation of our civilization. So what good then can come out of these cases? The time for Trump to act was when he still wielded the full power of the POTUS. He chose not to act, not to hold the election again and now he's out and corpse Biden is in.
:thankusmile: Could not have said it better myself.dude it’s time to move on and forget it.Trump could have used the insurrection act in the constitution,he did not,accept it and forget it,it’s over.time to move on.
 

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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.


And now we know the courts didn’t allow a single instance of evidence of fraud to be presented to date.
Americans are livid with the actions that took place in the 2020 election and believe the election was stolen. There are numerous reasons for this.
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There was massive fraud. Trolling will not change that fact. I do realize that is all you got. I recognize just how limited you are. When are you going to?
All true,yes his trolling will not change the fact massive vote fraud took place but you not accepting it that it’s over and trump is forever gone as potus will not bring trump back either.get over it.time to move on.you mention if the courts ever hear it,got news for you,we have had the most corrupt court system in the world for decades now,they won’t hear it.
 
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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.
Look . . . I am just as pissed off about the 2020 presidential election as any patriotic American. That being said, what is over is the Trump presidency. No court decision is going to put Trump back in the Oval Office. No judge anywhere, at any level is going to get involved in that kind of business, the business of potentially cracking the foundation of our civilization. So what good then can come out of these cases? The time for Trump to act was when he still wielded the full power of the POTUS. He chose not to act, not to hold the election again and now he's out and corpse Biden is in.
:thankusmile: Could not have said it better myself.dude it’s time to move on and forget it.Trump could have used the insurrection act in the constitution,he did not,accept it and forget it,it’s over.time to move on.
Trump could not use that act because the military and bureaucrats were in on the fraud. A massive conspiracy with the usual cover up with censorship and everyone but Democrats being traitors. What happened will never be forgotten. Grassroots organizations are still fighting to expose the fraud. They cannot be stopped forever. It will all come out.

If the Democrats have to start putting people in camps or kill them, they will. That is what the people who want to move on are enabling.
 

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Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.
So what good then can come out of these cases?


What good? For GOD'S SAKE, man, your government has been seized by an illegal coup, and your answer is that the election is over so just let them stay in power even if it proven they don't belong? Do you think they've done all of this for altruistic reasons??? :banghead:
You are missing my point by a mile, which is to say what remedies remain for changing or reversing the outcome? Do you believe any court in our land can remove Biden and reinstall Donald Trump? What good guys remain to prove anything to? I am certainly not saying "let them stay in power", however, I am saying, "What the hell can we do about it?" No one I'm aware of has organized patriots under a centralized command. No minutemen exist. No good guys remain. I just hate to see good Americans stuck in some fantasy loop believing Trump is going to magically reappear in the White House and make everything fine and dandy again.
He is not the brightest apple in the world,logic and common sense like that never registers with him. Those facts will go over his head.lol
 

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  • There are 81 court cases to date based on the 2020 election
  • In 45 cases President Trump was the plaintiff
  • In 34 cases President Trump is not the plaintiff
  • In 2 cases President Trump is the defendant
  • In 72 cases illegal voting is alleged
  • In ZERO of the 72 cases where illegal voting is alleged has evidence been allowed to be presented
  • 30 cases remain active
Saying there was no fraud is not doing any good. People are going to fight until the evidence is heard.
Look . . . I am just as pissed off about the 2020 presidential election as any patriotic American. That being said, what is over is the Trump presidency. No court decision is going to put Trump back in the Oval Office. No judge anywhere, at any level is going to get involved in that kind of business, the business of potentially cracking the foundation of our civilization. So what good then can come out of these cases? The time for Trump to act was when he still wielded the full power of the POTUS. He chose not to act, not to hold the election again and now he's out and corpse Biden is in.
:thankusmile: Could not have said it better myself.dude it’s time to move on and forget it.Trump could have used the insurrection act in the constitution,he did not,accept it and forget it,it’s over.time to move on.
Trump could not use that act because the military and bureaucrats were in on the fraud. A massive conspiracy with the usual cover up with censorship and everyone but Democrats being traitors. What happened will never be forgotten. Grassroots organizations are still fighting to expose the fraud. They cannot be stopped forever. It will all come out.

If the Democrats have to start putting people in camps or kill them, they will. That is what the people who want to move on are enabling.
Okay fair enough but again,why do you belive it’s not over when again the courts won’t hear the evidence the fact we got the most corrupt court system on the entire planet and has been that way for decades now? It’s like a mouse fighting a gorilla,anything the government wants they always get their way.
 

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50 or so cases were dropped without hearing evidence but that does not mean that they can't be resubmitted. Procedural errors or various legal stuff allows the judge to dismiss the case. The supreme court dismissed a Trump case without hearing evidence because they said that he is no longer president. That is the way it goes. Judges can make those decisions. Most can be resubmitted if they want to do it again and correct the errors depending on prejudice wording.

There are 31 active cases that evidence is being heard. The article even gives you a link. Any case with merit means the case is being argued with facts present before the court.

They even won some cases but they seem mostly errors on the part of the state or procedural problems.

45 cases with trump as the plaintiff.

42 alleged voter fraud

9 were decided on merits that means it was argued with facts submitted to the judge., The rest were dismissed. If without prejudice he is free to resubmit.

still most were procedural errors
and trump won a few that resulted in votes being thrown out and were not counted

Vote-by-Mail (Claim that Mail Voting Leads to Fraud and/or Vote Dilution; Observer Access) was heard with merit and he lost.

If there was any fraud it was Trump and his lawyers who abused the legal system because they could.


“The Five Most Obvious Acts of Fraud in the 2020 Election that You Are No Longer Allowed to Discuss

…massive and unprecedented fraud in the 2020 presidential election.


1.The Georgia Late Night Hidden Suitcase Heist: Georgia Election Official Ralph Jones, Sr. Announced on Nov. 3rd Evening that Counting would Stop at 11 PM — Then Led Team to Count Stashed ‘Suitcase” Ballots


2.) The Drop and Roll — Shutting down five states and then dumping hundreds of thousands of late-night votes for Joe Biden

Five swing states all shut down their counting on election night at the same time. This was likely a coordinated event.

Then each state saw a mysterious and impossible spike of Joe Biden ballots in the middle of the night. We first discovered this pattern in Pennsylvania. Then we saw this same pattern in at least four other states.


3.) Blocking GOP Poll Watchers in the counting rooms in swing states



4.) Votes deleted or switched from President Trump to Joe Biden: The Chart Lists Votes Switched from Trump to Biden and Votes That Were Lost by Trump
Switched VotesLost Votes
Dominion Systems
Pennsylvania220,883941,248
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Analysis of Election Night Data from All States Shows MILLIONS OF VOTES Either Switched from President Trump to Biden or Were Lost -- Using Dominion and Other Systems



5.) USPS postal service drivers speak out after they were told to transfer up to 288,000 completed ballots across state lines after the election.

Truck driver Jesse Morgan was present at the press conference and spoke for 9 minutes about his unbelievable ordeal. Morgan was tasked with delivering completed ballots to Pennsylvania from New York state.

This was explosive testimony.





Jesse Morgan: In total I saw 24 gaylords, or large cardboard containers of ballots, loaded into my trailer. These gaylords contained plastic trays, I call them totes or trays of ballots stacked on top of each other. All the envelopes were the same size. I saw the envelopes had return addresses… They were complete ballots.”
Pc took the trolls to school handing their asses to them on a platter the biggest most massive vote fraud took place in mankind history in this past election.they can only sling shit in defeat like the monkey trolls they are. :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: They know they cannot refute this evidence of hers or disprove that biden is a commie and hates America so everytime they are challenged to refute these facts pc presented the most massive vote fraud took place in this election,like clockwork,they do this everytime in defeat.:iyfyus.jpg:
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The boxes under the table happen but it was not fraud. They explained that that is the process that they use. put boxes under the table until they are needed for the next phase of the process.

The guy who made the statement of delivering boxes is the word of one man who didn't bother to take pictures of this evidence. The same guy who claims he sees ghosts and takes videos of his search for ghosts. Yeah you seem to want to believe this guy story. Why because it sound convenient. Still one person word is not proof. where is the evidence. But I can understand if you can relate to him as he sees ghosts.

Saddest thing is that you might actually believe this.

The saddest thing is that you do believe the word of one man that there is fraud with no proof. The only proof you have is it appeared on television. Now that is sad.

Pictures of boxes under the table being record by video and that is proof enough for you. I would say it is sad but it is about par when someone desperately needs to believe something and they take the easy way out. Someone told me it was true.

Carone the star witness Wayne County Circuit Judge Timothy Kenn on November 13 concluded that Carone’s “allegations are simply not credible

There are police reports accusing Mellissa Anne Wright of crimes. Online databases show Carone has used the name Mellissa Carone-Wright

One lawsuit claimed that Carone sent “pornographic videos of herself” and her current boyfriend, the father of the other woman’s child, and then told police the other woman had hacked into her email and stolen the videos.

I can see why she is so believable to the right.

Ask yourself this Anne, why has there been no convictions of all the incidents you have pasted and copied. If it is a crime then take it to court.



Ask yourself why is it run in every right wing outlet. Well I will answer it for you. Because news outlets do not require proof only someone making a statement.
"The saddest thing is that you do believe the word of one man that there is fraud with no proof. The only proof you have is it appeared on television. Now that is sad. "

No proof????

Only imbeciles like you are still claiming 'no proof.'

Actually, your side has admitted it.




The progression that proves the premise:

No evidence of voter fraud!
No evidence of widespread voter fraud!
Not enough evidence of widespread voter fraud!
Not enough evidence of widespread voter fraud has been proven!
Not enough evidence of widespread voter fraud has been proven that would change or alter the election!

It's pretty much their admission that they stole the election from the man who actually won it, and gave it to the bought and paid for servant of Communist China.


But they might have this much in their argument: not widespread......but targeted voter fraud- in the swing states.


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Radical and unhinged. Keep it up and stay focused on Trump lost the election. Admit that Trump lost and the only issues is that he attempted to commit election fraud when he called the AG for more votes. Talked with repub congressman to change the electoral vote so that he would win.

Also he got political chic, Rudy, and that other lawyer to make his case. Proof of election fraud is not the same as saying there is election fraud.

Of course there was fraud, a stolen election.....


.....that's why you are so panicked.


Let's review the details:

Sen. Rand Paul Joins ABC's "This Week" - January 24, 2021 describing what we know of the election



SENATOR RAND PAUL, (R-KY): Well, what I would say is that the debate over whether or not there was fraud should occur, we never had any presentation in court where we actually looked at the evidence. Most of the cases were thrown out for lack of standing, which is a procedural way of not actually hearing the question.

There were several states in which the law was changed by the secretary of state and not the state legislature. To me, those are clearly unconstitutional…



Were there people who voted twice? Were there dead people who voted? Were there illegal aliens who voted? Yes, and we should get to the bottom of it.



I’ll give you an example. In my state, when we had a Democrat secretary of state, she refused, even under federal order, to purge the roles of illegal voters.





In Wisconsin, tens of thousands of absentee votes had only the name on them and no address. Historically those were thrown out, this time they weren't. They made special accommodations because they said, oh, it’s a pandemic and people forgot what their address was.

So they changed the law after the fact. That is wrong, that's unconstitutional…. I won’t be cowed by liberals in the media who say, there's no evidence here and you're a liar if you talk about election fraud.

I believe in Pennsylvania, they broke the law, and I believe if that ever will get a real hearing in the Supreme Court, it was denied for standing. It wasn’t actually taken up. If it were taken up, I do believe that the Supreme Court would overrule and say that they did break the law illegally.



It was never studied.

Should we investigate the fact that tens of thousands of absentee ballots did not have addresses on them and normally were disqualified, but this time, they were counted? Should we examine that?




I think there was great deal of evidence of fraud and changing of the election laws illegally. And I think a thorough investigation is warranted.”

I want to look at election fraud and I want to look at secretaries of state who illegally changed the voter laws without the permission of their state legislatures. That is incontrovertible, it happened.

And you can't just sweep it under the rug and say, oh, nothing to see here, and everybody is a liar and you're a fool if you bring this up.”






Did that upset you????

Excellent.

That hardly upset me. Rand offers no proof and it just his opinion and like Trump does not understand anything. Guess he will be running in 2024 as the younger version of Trump

Most of the cases were thrown out for lack of standing, which is a procedural way of not actually hearing the question.

Most of the cases well that implies some cases were heard. So show me the fraud based on those cases heard


Lack of standing

Standing is the ability of a party to bring a lawsuit in court based upon their stake in the outcome. A party seeking to demonstrate standing must be able to show the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged. Otherwise, the court will rule that you "lack standing" to bring the suit and dismiss your case.

Lingo for you

Don't waste our time because you will lose your case in the end. So get lost The case you submitted does not show fraud. Your just keeping Trump happy by submitting suits on his behalf.

Legal question about whether states can do what they did. Well one suit was heard and the judge did throw it out. Saying if you were against it why didn't you file a case when it became changed. Why are you waiting years later and bringing the suit because your guy lost.

Legal question about the election process will be determined in a court of law. Not the court of right wing sites and detractors. Show me a case where something was overturned. Do not quote Rand a know Trump wannabe who is speaking to his boys.

Rand said the problem was that in Wisconsin the ballots had the name but no address. That was wrong. It was the witness who signed and had some address errors of the witness. It was not the voter. Republican made this suggestion to have a witness address and if it was in error how it should be cured.

Big mistake if you can't even articulate the reason or understand the reason why ballots should be thrown out.

The law in Wisconsin. Voters have to registered. To request mail in ballots they have to show ID. Exception are for those who are sick and cannot go to locations to show ID. They will also need a witness sign the mail in ballot.

Still it was the repubs in Wisconsin who proposed the remedy of witness address errors. Such as they didn't fill out the municipality. Clerks can rectify simple errors like that instead of throwing ballot out. The STATE required the witness signature and then because of some minor issues with address then the voter ballot gets thrown outt. No way Jose. If the clerk can remedy by looking up the municipality then it is all good. That is the humane thing to do.

That is how Trump got elected




I believe in Pennsylvania, they broke the law

Well what you believe is not the law.

Laws changed in another state are unconstitutional. Wow that is a big word. Take it to court instead of using big words that have no meaning as they still exist and have not been struck down. He is not a lawyers or judge and it is just his opinion.

Still that does not show voter fraud. It just making excuses for why Trump lost. Instead of the obvious Truth that he was voted out of office by the opposition.


Wisconsin. How can he say vote fraud when he can not even define what the issue is.
The problem was with the address of the witness Yet this policy was used in the 2016 election. I didn't hear Trump or Rand complain then. Did you annie?

well general this procedure was place in 2016 which allow the clerks wait to remedy the situation of witness address problems

Trump did a lawsuit and they heard the case and they ruled against Trump based on the claim of the witness address problems. The court ruled that the procedure that they had in place in 2016 was the same one that was used in 2020. The were not going to throw out votes in 2020. If it was a problem then Trump should have contested it in 2016 when they did the same thing. The trump team could not explain why now it is a problem now when it wasn't a problem before.

If you and rand thing that it is a problem now then now is the time to bring a suit about how they process witness address problem. Explain why it should be done away with or illegal.

Break it down for you



This is not voter fraud, it is just procedural ways they do things.

Don't cry Annie.


Stop worrying.

You got away with stealing the election.....even you can't be dumb enough to imagine that 80 million voted for Biden.


Now we have to see how pleased you are with this:

Let’s check.

Joe Biden promised to govern as a moderate. On day one he signed EO's: —Letting biological men take over women's sports & locker rooms —Calling for amnesty for millions of illegals —Ending deportations —Killing thousands of good paying jobs Is anyone surprised?



In less than 72 hours, Joe Biden: —Killed 70,000+ jobs —Eliminated women's sports —Invaded Syria —Left the National Guard to freeze in a garage —Admitted he doesn't have a plan to fight COVID —Broke his own mask mandate EO —Ended US energy independence Do you miss Trump yet?"
Here We Go: Text Messages Reveal Biden Voters Already Regret What They’ve Done | Tea Party





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Remember this?

"you can't use executive orders unless you are a dictator."

Posted Tuesday, January 26, 2021, at 6:39 PM

You will have to search far and wide for news media quoting Joe Biden about the use of executive orders. It was out there in October but seems to have been scrubbed quite well, since he has taken over the Presidency and is using EXECUTIVE ORDERS. Just found it interesting.

"Former United States Vice President Joe Biden, who is running against President Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, said that he would not use executive orders to implement his policies because "you can't use executive orders unless you are a dictator.""

" The comments came as he was asked about his tax policy and if it would be a priority. Biden said that he would depend on the votes in Congress but stressed that raising taxes would help the US economy grow more than it would under a second Trump term. " Huh? Would that be a healthy growth or something temporary?"




Too bad you are not objective about the corruption of bush as you are on this vote fraud,that you are as biased and non objective about bush’s corruption as he is on massive vote fraud happening in this past election. Yes it is true that everything you posted here on the vote fraud is linked,sourced and documented and 100 % accurate and correct but so has all the corruption of bush as well yet all we ever hear from you is crap how Obama is to blame for everything and bush is blameless :cuckoo: so you do the same thing he does in this discussion,ignore the facts when they don’t fit your warped opinions on bush,therefore you hurt the cause for people like the op who gives facts on this vote fraud with your bias on bush’s corruption which was every bit as corrupt as Obama’s. :uhoh3:
 
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