It Doesn't Make Any Sense To Attack The US About Climate Change When China Is Killing The Planet

pknopp Maybe this analogy will help you understand the problem. If China turns the volume to max on the 'Coarse Tune' knob, what good does it do for America to turn the 'Fine Tune' knob all the way down?
China is installing more wind and solar than any other nation. And is planting more forests than all the other nations put together. They are in an energy bind with rising expectations of their populace, and are taking a bad course to fix that. Their nation will suffer, and is already suffering, more that most nations from climate change. However, we are not in a good position to be throwing stones as we are #2.
 
Yeah.....when you look at it from an irrational angle.

China has so many people that you figure you can cancel out their environmental impact with a lame, misleading, and irrelevant stat. That's like saying our cities aren't to blame for pollution because even though they pump out over 90% of our country's pollution, they have 98% of the population.....so their impact is cancelled out with a stroke of a pen.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt too. :iagree:

We pump out about 1/2 the GHGs that China does. And India pumps out about 1/2 the GHGs that we do.
 
A wonderful thought, and true... to a point.

To what extent should a "world power" lead? Should they "lead" to point that its people suffer? Should they "lead
" to point that its economy suffers? Should they "lead" to point that they are no longer a "world power?" If they are leading by example, but none of the biggest contributors follow, what's the point? So that in the end we can say we were better than you? Unless and until China, Russia, and even India, get on board, nothing anyone else does is going to make a difference... except perhaps to the detriment of their people, their economy, and perhaps their ability to be a "world power."

Yeah, maybe we should make some changes... even if most of the climate changes are cyclical (and there is an argument to be made on that front), we would be foolish to believe that what humans do has zero impact... but let's not lose ourselves to a new religion at the same time.

By the way, isn't China a "world power?" Russia?

I am not responsible for what Russia or China does. There are things we can do though. We enact emission controls and business goes to other countries that have none so they can emit at will. I support large taxes on those companies.

That won't make us "suffer".
 
China is a world leader.
Which is why we should show the rest of the world that a world leader does not have to lead in pollution. Instead, with less than a quarter of China's population the fact that we put out half as much pollution hardly puts us in a place to throw stones.
 
Presuming you are an old fart who doesn't go out, what would you have sacrificed when you were 30?

Cars, even I.C. vehicles run cleaner than they did when I was young. Are you saying that is really a problem?
 
NO NO GUISE YOU DONT UNDERSATND AMERICAN COAL AND SUVS ARE WAAAAAAY WORSE THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRYS BESIDES THEIR NOT WHITE THEY CANT UNDERSTAND

OBVIOUSLY WORLD SOCIALISM IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN SAVE US
Obviously you are one silly turd for even posting such dumb nonsense. We can power this whole nation with wind and solar, we do not need to pollute our nation and the world now. We have the technology to be completely energy independent, it is only the greed of the fossil fuel corporations that will keep us from achieving that goal.
 
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Doesn't take a PhD to recognize that Goebbels warming pseudo-science contains none (as in NONE) of the traditional time-tested acid tests of honest science, Francis.
Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. Against that we have a poster whose prior posts have revealed a less than third grade understanding of science. Oh, who to believe?
 
Considering that the treasonous fat senile old orange clown lied to us concerning the Covid resulting in the US having over 800,000 of it's citizens die, tried to orchestrate a coup to make himself the first American dictator, and reversed already inadequate environmental regulations, it is inevitable that the biggest loser in the American pantheon of Presidents would be mentioned. Not to worry, he will be taken care of, he will finish the year in a jumpsuit that matches his makeup with numbers on the back.
Strange how you want to blame Trump for shit that happened in the BRandon Adm.....considering the fact that everyone that was running shit under TRump are still running things now.. The only thing different is Trump is gone now.....and Biden has vaccines....whereas Trump never had them until the last month of his adm.....yet Biden has gotten a bigger kill total than Trump.
 
Let us know on which campus you earned your Ph. D.
(Your English sucks)
One does not have to have a Phd in a particular discipline to post articles and lectures of people who do have Phd's in that discipline. And the fruitloops on this board constantly imply they know more than those scientists that wrote the article or gave the lecture. A real display everyday of massive Dunning-Kruger right here on this board.
 
One does not have to have a Phd in a particular discipline to post articles and lectures of people who do have Phd's in that discipline. And the fruitloops on this board constantly imply they know more than those scientists that wrote the article or gave the lecture. A real display everyday of massive Dunning-Kruger right here on this board.
Scientists aren't writing these articles....dipshit....journalists are writing them.
 

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