Issues on which I disagree with the right

[jc456]

That's the anti-gang task force, dipshit.

Not good with allegory. I'll keep that in mind.

you've never heard that demofks and republicans mount competition to win the party's nomination prior to the two parties meet. Gangs are the same party. Police exist and removing them from the equation isn't practical. So your analogy isn't what you wanted to present. Now you could back one of the gangs against the cops by the gangs taking themselves out. Go for it. I stand with the cops.

 

[dblack]

you've never heard that demofks and republicans mount competition to win the party's nomination prior to the two parties meet. Gangs are the same party. Police exist and removing them from the equation isn't practical. So your analogy isn't what you wanted to present. Now you could back one of the gangs against the cops by the gangs taking themselves out. Go for it. I stand with the cops.

No, you support one of the gangs. The "lesser-evil" one, whichever you think that might be. And you whine to the cops because they won't take a side.

 

[jc456]

No, you support one of the gangs. The "lesser-evil" one, whichever you think that might be. And you whine to the cops because they won't take a side.

nope same party, and they are the evil I choose to never vote for.

 

[dblack]

nope same party, and they are the evil I choose to never vote for.

What a twisted rationalization.

Whatever. Not voting for evil, lesser or otherwise. End of story.

 

[jc456]

What a twisted rationalization.

Whatever. Not voting for evil. End of story.

not at all, you haven't figured out how voting cycles work.

 

[Independentthinker]

This can be the start of debate, or just a bit of disclaimer for me.

I'm libertarian. As I predicted in the introductions thread, I seem to be disagreeing with progressives/leftists on here and thus may appear to some of you to be right-wing. So, here's where I'm not right-wing:

Pretty much any right-wing belief that opposes liberty or equality of opportunity, or that favors government involvement in areas in which the government should butt out.

So - even though I wish there were far fewer abortions, or even no abortions - I don't favor banning them.

I don't favor prayers in public schools, because I think the 1A does not allow government officials to establish a religion in a tax-funded institution.

As a libertarian, I'd like to see government get out of the business of licensing marriage, but if they do license marriage, it should be available to all sexes, all perceived genders and in any number - barring under-age marriage. Libertarianism is for adults.

I don't favor the war on drugs.

I don't favor the wars in the middle-east.

I don't favor going to war to protect Taiwan.

The MIC has been wagging the dog far to long, IMHO.

Too much government means socialism. The more control the government has over things the more the government gets out of control, making it easier for someone to be a dictator by being the head of a government that controls everything. To believe that government can have complete control over our lives and yet be controlled by democracy is very naive.

Both sides should be working to make sure there are as few abortions as possible, instead of banning them or promoting them. They should not be used as a birth control method.

I see nothing wrong with moments of silence in public schools to be used for silent prayer and I see nothing wrong with having religious after school clubs, as long as no particular religion is mandated for the clubs. If the only religious after school club winds up being Catholic then that's OK, as long as other religious clubs aren't purposely excluded.

You don't favor a war on drugs but I don't really understand what that means. For example, opioid addictions are out of control and gangs are selling and getting kids hooked on them and many people are dying. It's naive to think that that would cease to happen if we had no war on drugs. In fact, the situation would probably get worse. If I had a teenager who died from an opioid overdose, I would want the hide of everyone responsible for killing my teenager.

What wars do you favor? The fact is, we should be thanking Japan for bombing Pearl Harbor because if it weren't for that the anti-war people would have prevailed in WWII and Hitler would have taken over the world. You would be forced to read and learn Mein Kampf and would be giving the Nazi salute every day of your life. Wars suck but if we want to keep freedom and democracy they are, unfortunately, necessary.

Not sure what to think of Taiwan. The fact is, if China tries to take them over and are challenged, that is WWIII right there. That would be a good time to have a president who people fear as being unhinged and says things like, "why have nuclear weapons if we aren't going to use them?" That might be enough to deter China right there. Otherwise, we might just as well China to go ahead and get it over.

 

[g5000]

Trump mentioned Douglass in the same breath that he mentioned Martin Luther King, you think Trump believes both are alive?

Who can forget this great moment in American history:

“In June of 1775, the Continental Congress created a unified army out of the revolutionary forces encamped around Boston and New York, named after the great George Washington (???), commander in chief. The Continental Army suffered a bitter winter of Valley Forge, found glory across the waters of the Delaware and seized victory from Cornwallis at Yorktown. Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory." Donald Trump, July 4, 2019

The battle of Fort McHenry took place in 1814 during the War of 1812. The battle of Yorktown took place in 1781.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Right. I don't expect, don't want, government to mess with in any of these things. I don't vote based on whether it will score me free shit or not.

So, no thanks?

Well you didn't vote and that's why one of those guys are messing with those things.

 

[dblack]

Well you didn't vote and that's why one of those guys are messing with those things.

No, one of those "guys" are messing with things because of the people who voted for them.

You guys should back up and think about how silly some of these arguments are.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, one of those "guys" are messing with things because of the people who voted for them.

You guys should back up and think about how silly some of these arguments are.

Given the fact a good number of voters are politically ignorant, do you really believe they wanted higher prices on everything including their gasoline and home heating fuel, an open border where people are flowing in from over 100 other countries and being bused or flown to their city, unable to buy the things they want because they are out of stock?

Nobody votes for that.

The silliest argument is you're not voting for anybody that doesn't agree with you 100%, and instead of using your vote to stop what we have now, decide to throw it away to try and make a point. You are a one man army.

 

[dblack]

Given the fact a good number of voters are politically ignorant, do you really believe they wanted higher prices on everything including their gasoline and home heating fuel, an open border where people are flowing in from over 100 other countries and being bused or flown to their city, unable to buy the things they want because they are out of stock?

Of course not. They want free shit. Most people see government as a way to get what they want out of society. I don't. You?

The silliest argument is you're not voting for anybody that doesn't agree with you 100%

That's not true at all. My tipping point is much lower than that. Along as the stuff we disagree on isn't egregious, I'd be happy with 40-50%. Especially if the candidate is a consensus builder, and not a partisan, "elections-have-consequences" douchebag.

But Ds and Rs never come close. They don't even try. They don't have to try because LO2E cowards will vote for them regardless. All they have to do is scare their rubes by demonizing the other side.

 

[elektra]

Like falling in love with Kim?

Yes, finding common ground with Kim, who the Democrats gave the Nuclear reactor to. Finding common ground as a basis for negotiations. But I do understand that you and the Trump haters must try to undermine something that will save lives, if it is something that is good that Trump does under the Republican banner.

You gave a Nuclear Reactor, hence the ability to make nuclear weapons to North Korea.

You also gave the Missile technology to China, which gives that technology to North Korea.

And all you can do is denigrate a friendship Trump has, and will use to make peace, while you give Korea the ability to kill us with Nuclear weapons????

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Of course not. They want free shit. Most people see government as a way to get what they want out of society. I don't. You?

Some do but others have no clue what they are voting on. They vote Democrat because Democrat sounds like democracy, and democracy is a good thing.......right?

This last election is a classic case of people voting on personality than accomplishments. People who voted for Dementia have no clue what Trump did for the country, nor do they understand he spent most of his life in federal politics and didn't accomplish a thing.

That's not true at all. My tipping point is much lower than that. Along as the stuff we disagree on isn't egregious, I'd be happy with 40-50%. Especially if the candidate is a consensus builder, and not a partisan, "elections-have-consequences" douchebag.

But Ds and Rs never come close. They don't even try. They don't have to try because LO2E cowards will vote for them regardless. All they have to do is scare their rubes by demonizing the other side.

Fair enough. What do you want that neither party is offering?

 

[elektra]

. I don't think...

That is as close as you and I will come to agreeing, you do not think.

 

[elektra]

I agree with your opinion about the shallow understanding of history. They also lack a lot of common sense.

As for Trump, his knowledge of history is completely blank. Whenever he learns something about our history, he thinks no one else knew it, either.

“Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more, I notice.”

cherry picking quotes, tells us more about you, than President Trump.

 

[elektra]

Who can forget this great moment in American history:

“In June of 1775, the Continental Congress created a unified army out of the revolutionary forces encamped around Boston and New York, named after the great George Washington (???), commander in chief. The Continental Army suffered a bitter winter of Valley Forge, found glory across the waters of the Delaware and seized victory from Cornwallis at Yorktown. Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory." Donald Trump, July 4, 2019

The battle of Fort McHenry took place in 1814 during the War of 1812. The battle of Yorktown took place in 1781.

Oh my god, that makes Trump human!!!! He can make a mistake just like anybody else. Of course you in your closet with google do not have as much at stake as a great man such as President Trump on the world stage. But go ahead and pretend all you want in your dark closet with google your brain.

You could not come up with these mistakes without google and you are certainly not smart enough to know these battles even existed if somebody else did not make a political hit piece out of President Trump's great speech.

Yes, I will vote for the man who is more like the regular man, not some shallow two faced lawyer hiding behind teleprompters.

 

[dblack]

Oh my god, that makes Trump human!!!! He can make a mistake just like anybody else. Of course you in your closet with google do not have as much at stake as a great man such as President Trump on the world stage. But go ahead and pretend all you want in your dark closet with google your brain.

You could not come up with these mistakes without google and you are certainly not smart enough to know these battles even existed if somebody else did not make a political hit piece out of President Trump's great speech.

Yes, I will vote for the man who is more like the regular man, not some shallow two faced lawyer hiding behind teleprompters.

Populism=politics for dummies.

 

[elektra]

Populism=politics for dummies.

Definitions=arguments from idiots

 

[Oddball]

Populism=politics for dummies.

To give them a modicum of credit, those "dummies" have been far more effective at pushing back against the ruling class than LP naval gazers ever have been.

Though not enough to turn the "train" around, they at least show that they're willing to throw real punches.

Libertarians would do well to take lessons in such audacity and brashness.

 

[g5000]

Yes, finding common ground with Kim

On this, you and I agree. Trump certainly found common ground with a mass murdering communist dictator. No wonder he fell in love with him.

, who the Democrats gave the Nuclear reactor to. Finding common ground as a basis for negotiations. But I do understand that you and the Trump haters must try to undermine something that will save lives, if it is something that is good that Trump does under the Republican banner.

You gave a Nuclear Reactor, hence the ability to make nuclear weapons to North Korea.

I gave North Korea a nuclear reactor? I'll have to check my records...

Actually, North Korea had a graphite nuclear reactor from which they were using spent fuel to make weapons grade material. That was BEFORE the US got involved. The Soviet Union helped them achieve a graphite reactor, mm-kay?

To put a stop to this, a multi-national consortium called KEDO (Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organization) negotiated with North Korea to replace its graphite reactor with light-water reactors which are not as easily able to be used to make nukes. KEDO was comprised of South Korea, the United States, and Japan.

North Korea developed its graphite nuclear power reactor with help from the Soviet Union, not me, dear heart.

KEDO got as far as pouring the concrete foundation for the first light-water reactor in 2002 (under President Bush), but never got any further than that.

Anyway, North Korea kept violating the agreement it had with the IAEA and kept making weapons grade material, and so KEDO called off the whole light-water reactor plan in 2005.

North Korea wanted us to finish the light-water reactors before it would stop producing at the graphite reactor. And this is what brought everything to a grinding halt because we wanted them to stop producing before the LWR's were completed.

You also gave the Missile technology to China, which gives that technology to North Korea.

And all you can do is denigrate a friendship Trump has, and will use to make peace, while you give Korea the ability to kill us with Nuclear weapons????

I gave missile technology to China? I'll have to check my records...


Actually, US companies began selling satellite technology to China during the Reagan Administration, and this practice continued into the Clinton administration.

U.S. companies did it, sweetheart. Not me.

The government finally figured out this was a bad idea in 1998 (under Clinton) and put export controls in place to stop it.

There. All caught up now?