RE: Israel's Lies
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: You are trying to mold a "victory" out of a failed Arab attempt to mount a successful intervention against the Israelis. That simply does not wash with the history.
Another one.
Five Arab armies attacked Israel in 1948.
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"On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs." (
Page 10, The Blue Book - The Question of Palestine and the United Nations)
Too disorganized to be called armies?
Indeed it was not much of a war but Israel used it as an excuse to steal land.
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IF there were forces that used the conflict as "an excuse to steal land" THEN it was the Arab Forces of Egypt and Jordan. (See Below)
5 disorganized mobs lose to Israel.
Not the last time disorganized Muslims will lose, eh?
Which leads us to another Israeli lie.
The five Arab armies lost to Israel.
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"Between February and July 1949, under United Nations auspices, armistice agreements were signed between Israel, on the one hand, and Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria on the other." (
Page 10, The Blue Book - The Question of Palestine and the United Nations)
"The agreements, which were similar in general content, accepted the establishment of the armistice as an indispensable step towards the restoration of peace in Palestine. They also made clear that the purpose of the armistice was not to establish or recognize any territorial, custodial or other rights, claims or interests of any party." (
Page 10, The Blue Book - The Question of Palestine and the United Nations)
What's the opposite of defeated Israel?
Darn ducks, beating the disorganized Muslim rabble.....over and over and over.
So how big is the country of Palestine going to be?
Lichtenstein? Smaller?
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The terms "win" and "loss" are layman's terms that our friend P F Tinmore is trying to spin into something that can then be disputed. The fact of the matter is, the Israelis successfully defended their territorial integrity.
The 1948 conflict was not over with the signing of the Armistice. The Armistice Agreements were to remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved. Technically, the 1967 Six-Day War and the 1973 Yom Kipper War, were continuations of the 1948 intervention by the Arab League Forces. The 1948 Conflict and the 1949 Armistice Arrangements were concluded with the Peace Treaties with Egypt and Jordan (1979 and 1994 respectively). Although there is a different kind of Peace Arrangement with Lebanon, it still is considered a "peaceful settlement." Thus the 1948, 1967, and 1973 Conflicts between Israel and the Arab States of Egypt, Jordan (and by extension Iraq), and Lebanon have concluded (although Lebanon still has a dispute over a small parcel of land currently under Israeli control).
The lie is that the Arab armies lost to Israel in 1948.
The fighting ended by the UN Security Council calling for an armistice. Nobody lost that war.
The fighting ended by the UN Security Council calling for an armistice.
We agree, the Arabs didn't win and Israel didn't lose.
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All the "Armistice Agreements" were facilitated by the United Nations Acting Mediator to the Secretary-General
Actually, Egypt and Jordan both made territorial end-roads penetrating the Gaza Strip and West Bank. These were represented the effective control of territory which the external forces did not have prior to the 1948 intervention. Later, the Egyptians established a Military Governorship and the Jordanians Annexed the West Bank.
The point is that the 5 Arab countries did not lose.
✪ As of this date:
✦ What did Lebanon lose?
✪ Net loss of control over the Shebaa Farms (still in dispute and remains unresolved).
✦ What did Syria lose?
✪ Net loss of control over the Golan Heights.
✦ What did Jordan lose?
✪ Net gain of control over the West Bank & Jerusalem.
✦ What did Iraq lose?
✪ No net gain or loss
✦ What did Egypt lose?
✪ Net loss over Gaza Strip.
Israel claims it won land while none of the parties to the conflict lost any. ?????
You don't make any sense.
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I'm not sure that Israel makes that claim at all as a political platform or a legal defense. I'm not even sure that Israel sees arguing points of Customary and International Law on any of these issues is to their advantage. In the history of the last 1000 expulsions (by the world powers of the day) of the Jewish People, I'm not sure that the Jewish People see any fair treatment towards them by these powers.
◈ There is an argument to be made relative to the permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel.
◈ There is an argument to be made relative to the international boundary between Jordan and Israel.
These arguments are based on the Peace Treaties with Egypt and Jordan (1979 and 1994 respectively).
There is an argument to be made over whether or not the West Bank and Jerusalem were ever taken from the Arab Palestinians by the Israelis. At the end of July, 1988, the Jordanian Government cut all ties with the West Bank (including Jerusalem) and left it under the effective control of Israel. This was before the PLO proclaimed independence.
Most Respectfully,
R
