Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[MJB12741]

I see, then you need to read it directly from the study. Will you stop parroting denial propaganda then? Here it is direct from the study. Now STFU.

"it seems that at least 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is due to the assimilation of mtDNAs indigenous to Europe..."

No, your link is not directly from the study of Ashkenzai maternal ancestry. It is an alternative interpretation of the study which actually contradicts the conclusions drawn by those who conducted the study, who write:

The observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population.

...the very presence of the Ashkenazi founding lineages, albeit at low frequencies, in North African, Near Eastern, and Caucasian Jews, supports a common Levantine ancestry...



Now, I'm going to say again that I despise these conversations as modern, technology-assisted racism in the vein of "your skin isn't white enough, your eyes aren't blue enough and your hair isn't blonde enough". And the use of these studies to deny a relationship between the Jewish people and their ancestral homeland is heinous. And I would like to also call attention to the fact that DNA analysis is only typically or commonly used to deny the Jewish people. No one suggests using DNA analysis to determine the legitimacy of the Palestinian claim.

It is a link to the study. Stop lying.

"A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages

• Marta D. Costa
• , Joana B. Pereira
• , Maria Pala
• , Verónica Fernandes
• , Anna Olivieri
• , Alessandro Achilli
• ,Ugo A. Perego
• , Sergei Rychkov
• , Oksana Naumova
• , Jiři Hatina
• , Scott R. Woodward
• , Ken Khong Eng
• ,Vincent Macaulay
• , Martin Carr
• , Pedro Soares
• , Luísa Pereira
• & Martin B. Richards

• Nature Communications 4, Article number: 2543 (2013)
• doi:10.1038/ncomms3543
• Download Citation
• • Anthropology
  • Population genetics

Received:
11 July 2013
Accepted:
04 September 2013
Published online:
08 October 2013"

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages : Nature Communications

It is fine for anyone to self identify as any ethnic group. But, one can't use that self-identification to claim land inhabited by native people and dispossess those native people, people whose ancestors had lived on the land for thousands of years. And, whose DNA/ancestry is close to 100% from the area.

Fact is, the Zionists were Europeans with Middle East ancestry equivalent to other Europeans that were Christians.

So... then you're presuming Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese invaders are "native people" relative to the geographic area of Pal'istan?

It appears the dispossession of those you claim were dispossessed were dispossessed by dispossessors from foreign Islamic lands.

No, the Muslims and Christians of Palestine are the native people of Palestine. The Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese are the native people of Egypt, Syria and Lebanon, respectively. It isn't that difficult to understand.

And those thieving Jewish Zionists built their wailing wall around the Al Aqsa Mosque when all those native Muslim Palestinian mosques & Christian churches came to be.

Monte boy. You are a blast! Please post more often.

 

[Shusha]

It is fine for anyone to self identify as any ethnic group. But, one can't use that self-identification to claim land inhabited by native people and dispossess those native people, people whose ancestors had lived on the land for thousands of years.

You continue to argue that invaders become the natives. And you continue to argue that once a people is expelled from a nation they are no longer native. Thus, "nativeness", in your view, is a factor of possession or residence.

Which means the "European Jews", even if they did not originate on the land in question (which they obviously did) are the new natives.

 

[montelatici]

The European Jews are Europeans, they are the invaders or colonizers, take your pick. The Palestinian Christians and Muslims are the offspring of the original inhabitants, that they converted to Christianity and Islam does not make them any less the native people than the Native Americans in the Americas if they converted to Christianity or any other religion.

 

[Hossfly]

The European Jews are Europeans, they are the invaders or colonizers, take your pick. The Palestinian Christians and Muslims are the offspring of the original inhabitants, that they converted to Christianity and Islam does not make them any less the native people than the Native Americans in the Americas if they converted to Christianity or any other religion.

Ever heard of Moses? Joshua?

 

[Shusha]

The European Jews are Europeans, they are the invaders or colonizers, take your pick. The Palestinian Christians and Muslims are the offspring of the original inhabitants, that they converted to Christianity and Islam does not make them any less the native people than the Native Americans in the Americas if they converted to Christianity or any other religion.

Right. So in order to live in your fictional world you have to completely disconnect the "European Jews" from, you know, Jews who originated in Israel and Judah (which is silly) and you have to pretend that the "natives" of Israel and Judah miraculously changed their language, religion and entire culture without an invasion of another culture (which is silly).

 

[Hollie]

The European Jews are Europeans, they are the invaders or colonizers, take your pick. The Palestinian Christians and Muslims are the offspring of the original inhabitants, that they converted to Christianity and Islam does not make them any less the native people than the Native Americans in the Americas if they converted to Christianity or any other religion.

So... the invading Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese Islamists magically became Pal'istanians, how?

 

[MJB12741]

The European Jews are Europeans, they are the invaders or colonizers, take your pick. The Palestinian Christians and Muslims are the offspring of the original inhabitants, that they converted to Christianity and Islam does not make them any less the native people than the Native Americans in the Americas if they converted to Christianity or any other religion.

Ever heard of Moses? Joshua?

Must be those invaders of antiquity that drove out the naive Muslims & Christians Monte refers to. Oh wait, there were no Muslims or Christians yet. Lets ask Monte about this.

 

[Eloy]

The indigenous people under Muslim rule, remained the indigenous people. Most converted from Christianity (the state religion of the Byzantine Empire) to Islam, but they remained the same people.

Most are now converting to civilized democracy under Israeli rule. What's the problem, then?

There is nothing civilized about the brutal occupation of the Palestinians by the Israelis.

 

[Hollie]

The indigenous people under Muslim rule, remained the indigenous people. Most converted from Christianity (the state religion of the Byzantine Empire) to Islam, but they remained the same people.

Most are now converting to civilized democracy under Israeli rule. What's the problem, then?

There is nothing civilized about the brutal occupation of the Palestinians by the Israelis.

Do you identifiable few cliche-driven types have a pecking order that determines who posts the slogans and clichés on any given night?

 

[Hossfly]

The indigenous people under Muslim rule, remained the indigenous people. Most converted from Christianity (the state religion of the Byzantine Empire) to Islam, but they remained the same people.

Most are now converting to civilized democracy under Israeli rule. What's the problem, then?

There is nothing civilized about the brutal occupation of the Palestinians by the Israelis.

Do the readers think it will be that difficult to get Eloy to move into one of these great apartments? He can spend evenings telling his new neighbors how brutal the Israelis are.

A look around Rawabi, Palestine’s new city in West Bank - in pictures | The National

 

[P F Tinmore]

The indigenous people under Muslim rule, remained the indigenous people. Most converted from Christianity (the state religion of the Byzantine Empire) to Islam, but they remained the same people.

Most are now converting to civilized democracy under Israeli rule. What's the problem, then?

There is nothing civilized about the brutal occupation of the Palestinians by the Israelis.

Do you identifiable few cliche-driven types have a pecking order that determines who posts the slogans and clichés on any given night?

Unlike the Zionists who shotgun Israeli talking points en mass.

 

[Hollie]

The indigenous people under Muslim rule, remained the indigenous people. Most converted from Christianity (the state religion of the Byzantine Empire) to Islam, but they remained the same people.

Most are now converting to civilized democracy under Israeli rule. What's the problem, then?

There is nothing civilized about the brutal occupation of the Palestinians by the Israelis.

Do the readers think it will be that difficult to get Eloy to move into one of these great apartments? He can spend evenings telling his new neighbors how brutal the Israelis are.

A look around Rawabi, Palestine’s new city in West Bank - in pictures | The National

Kuffar welfare dollars really do fall off the infidel tree.

 

[Hollie]

The indigenous people under Muslim rule, remained the indigenous people. Most converted from Christianity (the state religion of the Byzantine Empire) to Islam, but they remained the same people.

Most are now converting to civilized democracy under Israeli rule. What's the problem, then?

There is nothing civilized about the brutal occupation of the Palestinians by the Israelis.

Do you identifiable few cliche-driven types have a pecking order that determines who posts the slogans and clichés on any given night?

Unlike the Zionists who shotgun Israeli talking points en mass.

The Zionists™

 

[rylah]

Well, an Inuit convert to Judaism is certainly not from the tribe of Judea. He is an Inuit that practices Judaism. Just as a European convert to Judaism is not from the tribe of Judea, he is a European that practices Judaism.

Just as an Inuit that converts to Sanatana Dharma doesn't miraculously become a Hindu. He/she becomes an Inuit that practices Sanatana Dharma he does not miraculously change to be from one of the Hindu tribes.

Give me a break, go study what it takes to convert to Judaism for men and women... and tell me would you circumcise yourself without anesthetics being 30 and take upon yourself 613 restrictions in addition to becoming one of the most persecuted and hated nations in history.

Your mistake is common- you look at Judaism through the eyes of Christianity and Islam, therefore can't grasp the simplest things.

I look at historical fact. You have been spoon fed a fantasy.

You can use those affirmations all you want, and the more you repeat it the more you yourself believe it.

FACT is your recent posting history shows manipulation of data, selective vision and total negligence of anything contradicting your POV- even when shown by the data in the same links you've posted.

 

[member]

Well, an Inuit convert to Judaism is certainly not from the tribe of Judea. He is an Inuit that practices Judaism. Just as a European convert to Judaism is not from the tribe of Judea, he is a European that practices Judaism.

Just as an Inuit that converts to Sanatana Dharma doesn't miraculously become a Hindu. He/she becomes an Inuit that practices Sanatana Dharma he does not miraculously change to be from one of the Hindu tribes.

Give me a break, go study what it takes to convert to Judaism for men and women... and tell me would you circumcise yourself without anesthetics being 30 and take upon yourself 613 restrictions in addition to becoming one of the most persecuted and hated nations in history.

Your mistake is common- you look at Judaism through the eyes of Christianity and Islam, therefore can't grasp the simplest things.

I look at historical fact. You have been spoon fed a fantasy.

You can use those affirmations all you want, and the more you repeat it the more you yourself believe it.

FACT is your recent posting history shows manipulation of data, selective vision and total negligence of anything contradicting your POV- even when shown by the data in the same links you've posted.

". . .the more you repeat it.... <-------- the more you yourself believe it."




"FACT is your recent posting history shows:"



"manipulation of data. . ."


"selective vision. . ."

​

". . .and total negligence of anything contradicting your POV... "


"....even when shown by the data in the same links you've posted."

 

[Phoenall]

I see, then you need to read it directly from the study. Will you stop parroting denial propaganda then? Here it is direct from the study. Now STFU.

"it seems that at least 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is due to the assimilation of mtDNAs indigenous to Europe..."

No, your link is not directly from the study of Ashkenzai maternal ancestry. It is an alternative interpretation of the study which actually contradicts the conclusions drawn by those who conducted the study, who write:

The observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population.

...the very presence of the Ashkenazi founding lineages, albeit at low frequencies, in North African, Near Eastern, and Caucasian Jews, supports a common Levantine ancestry...



Now, I'm going to say again that I despise these conversations as modern, technology-assisted racism in the vein of "your skin isn't white enough, your eyes aren't blue enough and your hair isn't blonde enough". And the use of these studies to deny a relationship between the Jewish people and their ancestral homeland is heinous. And I would like to also call attention to the fact that DNA analysis is only typically or commonly used to deny the Jewish people. No one suggests using DNA analysis to determine the legitimacy of the Palestinian claim.

It is a link to the study. Stop lying.

"A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages

• Marta D. Costa
• , Joana B. Pereira
• , Maria Pala
• , Verónica Fernandes
• , Anna Olivieri
• , Alessandro Achilli
• ,Ugo A. Perego
• , Sergei Rychkov
• , Oksana Naumova
• , Jiři Hatina
• , Scott R. Woodward
• , Ken Khong Eng
• ,Vincent Macaulay
• , Martin Carr
• , Pedro Soares
• , Luísa Pereira
• & Martin B. Richards

• Nature Communications 4, Article number: 2543 (2013)
• doi:10.1038/ncomms3543
• Download Citation
• • Anthropology
  • Population genetics

Received:
11 July 2013
Accepted:
04 September 2013
Published online:
08 October 2013"

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages : Nature Communications

It is fine for anyone to self identify as any ethnic group. But, one can't use that self-identification to claim land inhabited by native people and dispossess those native people, people whose ancestors had lived on the land for thousands of years. And, whose DNA/ancestry is close to 100% from the area.

Fact is, the Zionists were Europeans with Middle East ancestry equivalent to other Europeans that were Christians.

That does not prove anything either way if you read it completely. All you do is cherry pick the parts that meet with your islamonazi POV and matches your education at the hands of the priests and nuns. Then when shown to be devious and a LIAR you start getting agitated and aggressive.

Time for a new hobby like playing with the snakes in the pits or doing real live crossy road

 

[Phoenall]

Well, an Inuit convert to Judaism is certainly not from the tribe of Judea. He is an Inuit that practices Judaism. Just as a European convert to Judaism is not from the tribe of Judea, he is a European that practices Judaism.

Just as an Inuit that converts to Sanatana Dharma doesn't miraculously become a Hindu. He/she becomes an Inuit that practices Sanatana Dharma he does not miraculously change to be from one of the Hindu tribes.

Give me a break, go study what it takes to convert to Judaism for men and women... and tell me would you circumcise yourself without anesthetics being 30 and take upon yourself 613 restrictions in addition to becoming one of the most persecuted and hated nations in history.

Your mistake is common- you look at Judaism through the eyes of Christianity and Islam, therefore can't grasp the simplest things.

I look at historical fact. You have been spoon fed a fantasy.

Historical fact like that told by Winston Churchill when he told parliament that the arab muslims had illegally migrated to palestine increasing the population above that achievable by all world Jewry to match

 

[Phoenall]

The Muslims will not leave. The Christians have been leaving since the Zionist invasion began, they had the wealth to do so, and Palestinian Christians are doing well in South America, Chile especially. But, the Palestinian Christians still believe they will be able to return someday from what I have read.

Not if your hero's hamas and fatah have anything to say about it. They have already ethnically cleansed 90% of the Christian population and you dent this even when faced with the evidence. The muslims will be forced to leave and return to their original homes or face being evicted and put in camps

 

[Phoenall]

So when the Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese illegally migrated into the mandate of palestine they suddenly lost their original nationality and were granted a new nationality by WHO ? ? ? ? ?

 

[Phoenall]

The Muslims will not leave. The Christians have been leaving since the Zionist invasion began, they had the wealth to do so, and Palestinian Christians are doing well in South America, Chile especially. But, the Palestinian Christians still believe they will be able to return someday from what I have read.

Actually, non-Islamics in Islamist controlled lands have historically been dispossessed and driven out of Islamist controlled areas.

In the case of the Christians of Palestine, they have lived there since Christianity began, over 2000 years. makes your assertion bullshit, doesn't it. They began leaving when the European Zionists initiated their invasion. Their ancestors are the original Christians.

Most Christians around the world know this, it's only the American Christians that have been brainwashed to celebrate the oppression of fellow Christians by the Israelis, just because they are Palestinians.

Lenin's term, "useful idiots" applies to American Christians. As a Roman Catholic I support my fellow Christians.

Try again as Christianity began in the 4C when the Roman empire was falling apart. All Christians ( Catholics to you ) dont know this at all they only know what they have been spoonfed by their hateful nazi priests and nuns. You really need to stop making things up when reality shows you to be wrong and an idiot. Try reading some real history books for once and get yourself educated