Israelis are not Semites

Zionism is OP rose

the definition of which is being convoluted

~S~
The definition is generally both over simplified (conflating different types) and made more complicated at the same time.

Zionism is simply the belief in autonomy for one group. What that means and how we get there and what that autonomy looks like is complex.

But regardless, that has nothing to do with what was addressed to me.
 
Absolutely incorrect. The Jewish people are an ethnic group WITH a distinct religion.

Here is an excellent explanation of the term.


I'm afraid that I have to disagree with the notion that all Jews are Semites.

If an Eskimo decided to convert to Judaism that would not change his ethnic background.

According to AI and an additional source, not all Jews are Semites:




FROM AI OVERVIEW:
"However, not all Jews are descendants of the original Semitic peoples, and the term "Semitic" can also apply to other groups. "

AND:

"Who Gets to Define Anti-Semitism?"​


EXCERPT "The term “anti-Semitism” is rife with what logicians call semantic ambiguity. Simply put: Not all Semites are Jews, and not all Jews are Semites. Being anti-semantic is not the users’ worst sin. CONTINUED
 
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with the notion that all Jews are Semites.
Of course you have to disagree ... because you are right. Ben Gurion, Netanyahoo, Moshe Taraq, Levi Eshkol, Yigal Alon, Golda Meir, Yitsak Rabin, Yitzak Shamir, Shimon Perez, Ehud Barack, Ariel Sharon, Yiar Lapid. All of them changed their name. Not one of them is a Semite.
 
You immediately go for the "New Poster" as some sort of personal jab, claiming I have "no background", etc. Thank you for invalidating everything else you've said. Your comments have shown a high level of ignorance about this topic, due to your unwillingness to educate yourself and research what Israel has actually done.


Please don't worry about the snarky and insulting quips spewed so freely by our scripted gaggle of genocidal, right wing Zionist shills.

After all, they're desperate since most of the world strongly opposes Netanyahu's blatant genocidal agenda.

Netanyahu's murderous henchmen: Gallant, Ben Gvir, Smotrich etc have already made their racist and blood thirsty goals perfectly clear.

If there were any truth to their Hasbara Handbook scripts, they would not need to be so evasive with their off topic gossip and insults.

Israel's gaggle of slanderous Ziono-Bots have been lying and denying right wing Zionist genocide for so long, they're addicted to scripted falsehoods no matter how outrageous IDF's right wing atrocities.

Watch them lie and deny the most irrefutable of characterizations such as the deliberate targeting of starving refugees in tents being herded from one concentration camp to another. (2)

And, of course, they try to blame the Israeli created Hamas for every Palestinian death and assert that the systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents is only about the "Jewish right to self determination" and "Israel's right to self defense".

Thanks and welcome,



(1). "The Problem in Israel Goes Much Deeper Than Smotrich's Individual Racism"​

"The finance minister is not an aberration. His extremist ideology is now the mainstream thinking in Israel's "most rightwing government in history.""


EXCERPT "When mainstream western media quickly bypassed Smotrich's outright call for genocide in Huwwara, the man returned to his old, racist language.

There is "no such thing as Palestinians because there's no such thing as the Palestinian people," Smotrich preached to an enthusiastic crowd of supporters on March 19, during a recent visit to France. "The Palestinian people is an invention that is less than 100 years old," he added.

To make matters worse, Smotrich was speaking from a podium that featured a map of the so-called 'Greater Israel," which includes modern-day Jordan and other Arab lands." CONTINUED



(2). “Israeli airstrikes kill 14; ceasefire efforts show hope”

EXCERPT “Israeli airstrikes struck tents in the crowded Muwasi area on Gaza's Mediterranean coast, killing seven people including a Palestinian doctor and his three children, according to Nasser Hospital in the southern city of Khan Younis.

Four others were killed in the town of Bani Suheila in southern Gaza. Three people were killed in three strikes in Khan Younis.” CONTINUED

 
Of course you have to disagree ... because you are right. Ben Gurion, Netanyahoo, Moshe Taraq, Levi Eshkol, Yigal Alon, Golda Meir, Yitsak Rabin, Yitzak Shamir, Shimon Perez, Ehud Barack, Ariel Sharon, Yiar Lapid. All of them changed their name. Not one of them is a Semite.
But of course they all are.

Semite​

noun

Sem·ite ˈse-ˌmīt
especially British ˈsē-ˌmīt

1
a
: a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b
: a descendant of these peoples

2
: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language



 
Please don't worry about the snarky and insulting quips spewed so freely by our scripted gaggle of genocidal, right wing Zionist shills.

After all, they're desperate since most of the world strongly opposes Netanyahu's blatant genocidal agenda.

Netanyahu's murderous henchmen: Gallant, Ben Gvir, Smotrich etc have already made their racist and blood thirsty goals perfectly clear.

If there were any truth to their Hasbara Handbook scripts, they would not need to be so evasive with their off topic gossip and insults.

Israel's gaggle of slanderous Ziono-Bots have been lying and denying right wing Zionist genocide for so long, they're addicted to scripted falsehoods no matter how outrageous IDF's right wing atrocities.

Watch them lie and deny the most irrefutable of characterizations such as the deliberate targeting of starving refugees in tents being herded from one concentration camp to another. (2)

And, of course, they try to blame the Israeli created Hamas for every Palestinian death and assert that the systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents is only about the "Jewish right to self determination" and "Israel's right to self defense".

Thanks and welcome,
Yeah, I don't understand the mindset of mindless insults and personal jabs. Do they think that will earn them some brownie points and a pat on the back? When someone stoops that low in a discussion, they immediately lose any and all credibility and are a mere troll - so on the ignore list they go. If they aren't able to have an honest discussion, they will simply be hidden from view and forgotten about. Such insults don't bother me - its mere white noise to me.

They beg and scream for evidence of the IDF's crimes to be presented, and then say its all fake, that there isn't any crimes, etc. The IDF is a terrorist organization. I hear regular situations of the IDF bombing and killing innocent people waiting in line for food, the list goes on and on. Netanyahu and his followers are like a modern Hitler and his followers, they use the same arguments, justifications and the like. They proclaim themselves as victims when performing some of the worst atrocities there are.

Any Americans serving in the IDF should immediately have their citizenship stripped, and to be deported to Israel. One cannot serve two masters.



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Yeah, I don't understand the mindset of mindless insults and personal jabs. Do they think that will earn them some brownie points and a pat on the back? When someone stoops that low in a discussion, they immediately lose any and all credibility and are a mere troll - so on the ignore list they go. If they aren't able to have an honest discussion, they will simply be hidden from view and forgotten about. Such insults don't bother me - its mere white noise to me.

They beg and scream for evidence of the IDF's crimes to be presented, and then say its all fake, that there isn't any crimes, etc. The IDF is a terrorist organization. I hear regular situations of the IDF bombing and killing innocent people waiting in line for food, the list goes on and on. Netanyahu and his followers are like a modern Hitler and his followers, they use the same arguments, justifications and the like. They proclaim themselves as victims when performing some of the worst atrocities there are.

Any Americans serving in the IDF should immediately have their citizenship stripped, and to be deported to Israel. One cannot serve two masters.



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I guess it is easier for you to shout into the echo chamber than it would be for you to answer things I asked.

Oh well.
 
I guess it is easier for you to shout into the echo chamber than it would be for you to answer things I asked.

Oh well.
Lol. Projection!!!

You are the one shouting in the Zionist echo chamber all of us have endured our entire lives. Some of us have overcome the propaganda, you haven’t.

You’re supporting mass murder. How are you different from a German Nazi supporting Hitler? At least in their case, many had no knowledge of the Holocaust. You’ve been informed of the Genocide, yet still support it.

May God have mercy on your murderous soul.
 
Lol. Projection!!!
actually not. If you read my post to which she did not respond, you would see that what I wrote is accurate.
You are the one shouting in the Zionist echo chamber all of us have endured our entire lives. Some of us have overcome the propaganda, you haven’t.
I'm not sure what echo chamber you are speaking of. I posted something addressed to a specific user and instead of answering, that user simply disregarded and ignored and instead talked about how everyone who disagrees with her is wrong.
You’re supporting mass murder. How are you different from a German Nazi supporting Hitler? At least in their case, many had no knowledge of the Holocaust. You’ve been informed of the Genocide, yet still support it.
If you start with an erroneous premise, your conclusions will be wrong.
You are supporting mass murder so you are no different from Hitler. At least in the case of Hitler, he had been twisted by exposure to mustard gas. What's your excuse?

See how easy it is to make silly assertions? Try not doing that.
May God have mercy on your murderous soul.
Have yourself a really keen day.
 
God said He would gather them back to their land, and He did. He said it would become a nation in a day, and it did.
He said Christ will return to the Mt of Olives and the inhabitant will run to Him. And they will.
You can call them whatever you like. God calls them His Chosen. God isn't one bit confused about their pedigree.
 
actually not. If you read my post to which she did not respond, you would see that what I wrote is accurate.

I'm not sure what echo chamber you are speaking of. I posted something addressed to a specific user and instead of answering, that user simply disregarded and ignored and instead talked about how everyone who disagrees with her is wrong.

If you start with an erroneous premise, your conclusions will be wrong.
You are supporting mass murder so you are no different from Hitler. At least in the case of Hitler, he had been twisted by exposure to mustard gas. What's your excuse?

See how easy it is to make silly assertions? Try not doing that.

Have yourself a really keen day.
When at temple yesterday, did you pray for more murdered Pali babies?
 
no, God and I were too busy laughing at you.
Yeah and you laughing at thousands of murdered Palestinians. If the God of the Bible awaits us, you’re in big trouble.
 
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Yeah and you laughing at thousands of murdered Palestinians. If the God of the Bible awaits us, you’re in big trouble.
Who said I was laughing at them? I didn't say that. I said that God and I were laughing at YOU. When you add in stuff that wasn't said, you look silly.
 
Yeah, I don't understand the mindset of mindless insults and personal jabs. Do they think that will earn them some brownie points and a pat on the back? When someone stoops that low in a discussion, they immediately lose any and all credibility and are a mere troll - so on the ignore list they go. If they aren't able to have an honest discussion, they will simply be hidden from view and forgotten about. Such insults don't bother me - its mere white noise to me.

They beg and scream for evidence of the IDF's crimes to be presented, and then say its all fake, that there isn't any crimes, etc. The IDF is a terrorist organization. I hear regular situations of the IDF bombing and killing innocent people waiting in line for food, the list goes on and on. Netanyahu and his followers are like a modern Hitler and his followers, they use the same arguments, justifications and the like. They proclaim themselves as victims when performing some of the worst atrocities there are.

Any Americans serving in the IDF should immediately have their citizenship stripped, and to be deported to Israel. One cannot serve two masters.



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It looks like we share many of the same sentiments and are far from alone in our disgust over the way that the Gaza genocide is being both executed, excused and distorted.

I am not at all surprised but encouraged at the growing number of ethical and courageous Jews who are also not only repulsed by the murderous machination of the Netanyahu government and Israel's rabid right wing.

Their myopic madness is clearly not shared by all Jews or all Israelis. (1)

Among the many reasons I am both alarmed and strongly opposed to the US Government's criminal complicity in Netanyahu's unbridled aggression and genocidal expansionism is the inevitable Blowback endangering all Jews around the world as well as America's G.I.s and US targets abroad.

Nothing could be worse for America's reputation and best interests as well as Israel's genuine long term security than their obvious willingness to allow the most widely known "surprise" attack of 7 October 2023 to occur as an opportunity to destroy then seize Gaza while exterminating and / or expelling Palestine's native residents.

It won't be the first time that right wing Zionists have been willing to sacrifice the lives of other Jews for an Arab free "Greater Israel"

“If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”

Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

Re:
They beg and scream for evidence of the IDF's crimes to be presented, and then say its all fake, that there isn't any crimes, etc.

Amen!

Next to puerile and moronic name calling and obsessively howling "anti Semite", stubborn and chronic denial of irrefutable facts are among the most common ploys among those attempting to defend the indefensible.

Because I worked as a Psychiatric Case Worker on a large, inner-city, Emergency Psychiatric Unit, I feel more sympathy than vexation for our gaggle of snarky, evasive and insulting genocidal shills.

After all, imagine the loneliness of angry and hate filled individuals left with only a life of anonymously and compulsively insulting strangers hour after hour.

I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with my opinions and enjoy learning other views. It's entirely possible to hold other opinions and still discuss issues with civility.
There's always more to be learned even after spending time in the Middle East and studying its history for over 60 years

Re:
One cannot serve two masters.

Again, I agree completely.
I get weary of the transparent falsehood that Israel and the US share the same interests.
Israel is America's de facto welfare state and enabling it's current atrocities, criminal expansionism and aspirations for regional hegemony is clearly not in America's best interest.

After all:

“Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.
– John Sheehan, Society of Jesus. (Jesuit priest)


Thanks, again




(1). "Jewish Donors Raise Unprecedented Funds for Humanitarian Aid to People in Gaza"​


CONTINUED "The New Israel Fund (NIF) has raised three quarters of a million dollars globally over the last month from more than 2,500 grassroots donors to help feed innocent people living in Gaza. Starting just before the holiday of Passover, thousands of donors from the United States, Israel, Canada, the U.K. and Germany gave in unprecedented numbers to NIF’s campaign.

This is the first time that NIF has raised, and distributed, this level of funding for programs outside of Israel." CONTINUED
 
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with the notion that all Jews are Semites.

If an Eskimo decided to convert to Judaism that would not change his ethnic background.

This entire discussion is an appalling attempt to erase Jewish culture and to separate Jews from their Jewish culture.

From the link previously provided:

An ethnic group is generally defined as a community of people who share common cultural traits, traditions, or ancestry. However, the concept goes beyond superficial characteristics like language or physical features; it also involves a collective sense of identity and shared historical experiences. Ethnic groups are often differentiated by cultural, linguistic, religious, or social distinctions, which contribute to their unique group identity.

...

According to Macmillan’s Dictionary of Anthropology, an ethnic group is “a category of people who regard themselves as sharing a common ancestry, language, or culture.” This definition highlights three primary components:

  • Common ancestry: The belief in a shared lineage connects individuals to a larger historical narrative, even if such connections are symbolic or imagined.
  • Shared language: Language is a powerful marker of ethnic identity. It fosters communication within the group and serves as a boundary that distinguishes it from others.
  • Cultural traits: These include customs, rituals, values, and norms that shape the group’s way of life.
This definition underscores the idea that ethnicity is not solely about biological descent; it also involves cultural markers that members collectively uphold.


This is also an argument which attempts to conflate "Semitic" (a language group) with "antisemitism" (hatred of Jews) in an effort to muddy the waters and avoid discussion of Jew hatred.
 
And this is suppose to be the one place go-to source of truth? So, who is programming AI ...... Zionst Scheißkopfiger Fiddlewinkers?

You're right.

I realize that AI has a pro Israel / pro Zionist bias and that was the reason I chose it.

Tikkun is a Jewish humanitarian / peace organization but would have no reason to misrepresent the facts.

Another individual seems to believe that you can become a Semite by learning Hebrew.

So, I can read Yiddish pretty well so I think I'll be a "self hating Jew" for the rest of the afternoon.....OK?

Enjoy,
 
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