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dilloduck said:http://www.freep.com/news/nw/gaza30e_20050630.htm
Sometimes the news from the mideast just sorta gets lost in the shuffle.
In Israel, a planned nationwide protest fizzled after thousands of police were out in force to keep highways open. Protesters blocked the entrance to Jerusalem, a highway near Tel Aviv and a Haifa intersection, but the actions were no more than briefly inconvenient to motorists.
Earlier Wednesday, demonstrators managed to briefly block the main Jerusalem-Tel Aviv highway when they threw oil and nails on the road.
The violence drew sharp condemnation from Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who called on authorities to use an iron fist against extremists who he said are threatening to divide the country.
Sharon also said hard-line rabbis who urge their followers to resist the evacuation should be punished. Many opponents of the withdrawal are Orthodox Jews, who accuse Sharon of giving up land promised to the Jews in the Bible.
Israel plans to withdraw from Gaza and four small West Bank settlements in mid-August, uprooting about 9,000 Jewish settlers from their homes. While mainstream settler groups say they will resist only through civil disobedience, authorities fear some extremists could turn violent.
dilloduck said:well lets hope the settlers get reined in before they stone all the Palestinians and each other.
Kathianne said:and the difference, from the article:
HorhayAtAMD said:
No one could possibly say there aren't any violent, extremist Jews in the world, of course there are. The difference has always been in how the vast majority of Jews react. In that sense, there is absolutely no comparison between how the Jews of the middle east behave and how the muslims do.
Please show me where any reputable Jewish organization has ever claimed that the Jews are perfect? This whole "claim that the other side thinks it is perfect and then admonish them when proof of imperfectness arises" is not a good argument if you are the only one claiming the Jews are perfect.dilloduck said:Well--FINALLY an admission that Jews can be wrong.
Saying "chill" is one thing, following through and punishing those that don't is another. Even worse, Arafat rewarded the families of suicide bombers.The idea that this conflict has been all the fault of the arabs is insane. When Arafat publicly told the Palestinians to chill everyone said he was just doing it for show---now when Sharon does it we are all to be impressed-
Show me one that states that Jews share any responsibilty for the middle east conflict.HorhayAtAMD said:Please show me where any reputable Jewish organization has ever claimed that the Jews are perfect? This whole "claim that the other side thinks it is perfect and then admonish them when proof of imperfectness arises" is not a good argument if you are the only one claiming the Jews are perfect.
Saying "chill" is one thing, following through and punishing those that don't is another. Even worse, Arafat rewarded the families of suicide bombers.
dilloduck said:Show me one that states that Jews share any responsibilty for the middle east conflict.
HorhayAtAMD said:Easy. The Israeli government, in destroying the homes of Jewish settlers and punishing Jews that are violent to both Palestinians and Israelis, is doing its fair share of easing the middle east conflict. Whether or not you think this is akin to sharing responsibility for the problem, there is no denying that the Israeli government is sharing responsibility for the solution. The former Palestinian leadership never took one step away from its stated goals of destroying Israel and in doing so, did not share the responsibility for a solution. At least this Palestinian leadership appears more willing.
Yeah, right. Like they put up every potential suicide attack. Yeah, we getcha.dilloduck said:It has taken for ever but I think the Palestinians may have finally started working toward a solution. It's good to see Israel recpirocate but I still have seen no acceptance for responsibilty for the problem in the first place. The MSM would have this rock throwing incident spread all over the place if it were Palestinians doing it.
dilloduck said:I know you have accused me of racism on this one but I have no idea what you meant by this statement.
Kathianne said:simple. You said that if it were the Palis throwing stones, the media would be 'all over it.' Yet close to daily there are attempts at suicide bombings at the border and in Israel. NO COVERAGE.
I'll agree with that. Israel has time and again reached out to give the palis their own land, only to be told it's 'not enough.' Well it's been stated that 'enough' means only the cessation of Israel, that IS NOT going to happen.manu1959 said:how it started is of no material interest in how to end it.....if they both choose to end it ...it will end...if not then it won't....they both seem to have a cultural ingrained desire to continue in the current manner because in short...what they hell else would they do if they stopped.
Kathianne said:I'll agree with that. Israel has time and again reached out to give the palis their own land, only to be told it's 'not enough.' Well it's been state that 'enough' means the cessation of Israel, that IS NOT going to happen.
manu1959 said:how it started is of no material interest in how to end it.....if they both choose to end it ...it will end...if not then it won't....they both seem to have a cultural ingrained desire to continue in the current manner because in short...what they hell else would they do if they stopped.
