Israel on the mooch

[Phoenall]

Those that bless Israel are blessed by GOD,those that curse Israel are cursed by GOD! Your choice Genesis 12:2-3

OK, but this Israel is a fake.

The Bible does not apply.

Only to you ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS who think that the Koran applies to everything

 

[Phoenall]

Is deflection all you have?

How is it deflection if I directly responded to your post?

If somebody bulldozes your crops, whose fault is it there is no food?

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Yours for not ending the belligerence when you had the chance. It is THAT SIMPLE, get rid of hamas and fatah and put a true representative government in power and deal with Israel as adults and equals. Thrash out a mutually agreeable deal regarding borders, policing and economic recovery and they will feel the benefit of being civilised from the word go. And don't say that Israel wont talk as they have a proven track record of talking as shown by Egypt and Jordan.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel, the mooch capital of the world, has its hand out again.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Budget-strapped Israel is pressing the United States to conclude a deal extending defense aid beyond 2017, when Washington's current $3 billion annual payouts to its Middle East ally expire, officials said on Friday.

A U.S. official briefed on the talks and who spoke on condition of anonymity said Israel was seeking an overall increase to between $3.2 billion and $3.5 billion a year, while the Obama administration had spoken of $2.8 billion.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

You can of course prove that the USA GIVE ISREAL $3 billion in aid, and not $2.5 billion in LOANS to be repaid with INTEREST.

Another ISLAMONAZO BLOOD LIBEL

Israel has never repaid a single loan.

"In a meeting on Monday between U.S. State Department and Israeli officials, the U.S. officials promised to extend loan guarantees to Israel for the next three years. The $3.8 billion in loan backing is in addition to the $3 billion a year in aid given to Israel by the U.S. government.....“Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants.”


U.S. Government Pledges $3.8 Billion In Loan Guarantees To Israel « Aletho News

And yet another of your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA sites, when will you learn that your lies are open to public scrutiny................

 

[Phoenall]

You can of course prove that the USA GIVE ISREAL $3 billion in aid, and not $2.5 billion in LOANS to be repaid with INTEREST.

Another ISLAMONAZO BLOOD LIBEL

Israel has never repaid a single loan.

"In a meeting on Monday between U.S. State Department and Israeli officials, the U.S. officials promised to extend loan guarantees to Israel for the next three years. The $3.8 billion in loan backing is in addition to the $3 billion a year in aid given to Israel by the U.S. government.....“Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants.”


U.S. Government Pledges $3.8 Billion In Loan Guarantees To Israel « Aletho News

It's more convoluted than that.

From here:

What are Loan Guarantees?

Loan guarantees are essentially the explicit agreements between two people - or two nations - that if one defaults on a loan the other is obligated to pay it back.

Whether between family members or between countries, loan guarantees mean the same thing. In this case, in 2003 the United States Federal Reserve, an obviously more reliable financial entity than Israel, promised to pay off Israeli loans worth up to $9 billion. The extension announced in 2012 means that United States commits itself to guaranteeing future Israeli loans worth up to the $3.8 billion remaining on the original agreement until 2015.

Israel is not the only country in the Middle East which has received loan guarantees from the United States. Turkey, Egypt and Jordan have also been given American loan guarantees, mostly in the aftermath of the Gulf War.

Do Loan Guarantees Adversely Affect the United States?

The most important thing to know about the loan guarantees is that they are not grants - not one penny of U.S. government funds are transferred to Israel and, ideally, the United States will never have to pay out even a single dollar.

The United States is accepting responsibility from international creditors for any loans the Israeli government takes out - with a few stipulations. Though this means that the U.S. could be hit with up to a $3.8 billion bill, plus interest, if Israel defaults on their loans, this is a mostly muted concern.

In 1992, Israel received $10 billion in loan guarantees from the American government to help the nation rebuild after its economy took a major hit following the Gulf War. Israel repaid every loan it withdrew and the United States was never called on to fulfill it guarantor obligations. Likewise, Israel has never defaulted against the loan guarantees put in place in 2003.

Loan guarantees for Israel also have no bearing whatsoever on U.S. domestic programs or taxpayers. Helping Israel will not take any money away from the billions of dollars in guarantees and loans devoted to meeting America's immediate needs at home. Unlike foreign aid, with loan guarantees taxpayer dollars will not be going to Israel outright. [emphasis Capstone's]

The highlighted bit is a bold-faced lie, and all of the above is misleading by virtue of characterizing "the United States Federal Reserve" as the "US/American Government" and by failing to mention that all of the countries involved in these loan guarantees are recipients to varying degrees of US foreign aid via loans as well. What's been set up here is the Ponzi Scheme to end all Ponzi Schemes, in which the victims from start to finish are the US tax-payers -- first by being charged interest by the FED for every dollar printed and loaned, secondly by the downgrade to our own National credit rating due in no small part to such criminal activities, and finally because taking on the responsibility for the sovereign default of nations other than our own incorporates the assumption risk of which the American People have never explicitly approved!

Well you cant single out one small part and claim that it is a LIE while relying on the rest to bolster your position.

But this shows that you are indeed LYING .........

In 1992, Israel received $10 billion in loan guarantees from the American government to help the nation rebuild after its economy took a major hit following the Gulf War. Israel repaid every loan it withdrew and the United States was never called on to fulfill it guarantor obligations. Likewise, Israel has never defaulted against the loan guarantees put in place in 2003.

So Israel has paid back all of its loans from the USA, including the interest leveed, and has actually helped the US economy in the process. So why has Americas International debt risen to close on $20 TRILLION and is still rising............

 

[Roudy]

Do some research and you will see that Israel got nothing from no one until the late 1970's early 1980's. And that was just reduction in prices for a few products. The USA did not pay any money to Israel until Egypt demanded massive amounts of aid in return for signing a peace deal with Israel.

Of course that is not true.

Everything from Rothschild to little blue boxes, Israel would not exist without OPM.

Why do Israel haters always talk about how Israel wouldn't exist without this or that?
Israel DOES exist, get over it.

They go through these mental fantasies of different scenarios where Israel gets destroyed or ceases to exist because of blah blah blah. They can't help themselves.

 

[montelatici]

Quit spamming Phony. Calling everyone an Islamonazi is not an effective debating technique. Try to use facts to support your position. I say try, because you are trying to defend the indefensible.

 

[Roudy]

Quit spamming Phony. Calling everyone an Islamonazi is not an effective debating technique. Try to use facts to support your position. I say try, because you are trying to defend the indefensible.

Aren't you describing yourself?

 

[Phoenall]

Quit spamming Phony. Calling everyone an Islamonazi is not an effective debating technique. Try to use facts to support your position. I say try, because you are trying to defend the indefensible.

Your the spam artist and have been since you cane to the board. This is a TROLL post and should by rights be deleted

 

[montelatici]

Quit spamming Phony. Calling everyone an Islamonazi is not an effective debating technique. Try to use facts to support your position. I say try, because you are trying to defend the indefensible.

Your the spam artist and have been since you cane to the board. This is a TROLL post and should by rights be deleted

I am simply asking you to stop your abuse. Calling everyone who disagrees with you an IslamoNazi is, in fact, trolling.

 

[Beelzebub]

Not to worry, Tinmore. By 2017 the Unspeakable One will be replaced and Israel will get their stipend. Or by that time the IDF will have merged with the DOD. Time will tell.

I imagine if such a thing ever happens, it will be more of a takeover than a merger.
Israel does not suffer being influenced much from elsewhere.

 

[Beelzebub]

So why has Americas International debt risen to close on $20 TRILLION and is still rising............

That started with Reagan.
And has mostly been improved by Democratic administrations, and made worse by Republican ones, and made worse, mostly by wars of choice.

But that is probably for another thread.

 

[jillian]

Israel, the mooch capital of the world, has its hand out again.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Budget-strapped Israel is pressing the United States to conclude a deal extending defense aid beyond 2017, when Washington's current $3 billion annual payouts to its Middle East ally expire, officials said on Friday.

A U.S. official briefed on the talks and who spoke on condition of anonymity said Israel was seeking an overall increase to between $3.2 billion and $3.5 billion a year, while the Obama administration had spoken of $2.8 billion.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

s'matter terrorist supporter? you upset we cut your precious pal's gravy train?

get over it.

 

[Capstone]

...A bank loan is not aid, it is a loan with punitive interest rates that has to be paid back. Remember the loans given to Britain during WW2 and how it took till the early part of this century to pay them back. Selling arms and armaments is not AID it is BUSINESS and don't the USA sell the same stuff to Saudi Arabia in return for oil concessions ?

There's good reason for Jeremy Sharp of the Congressional Research Service to have included loans (starting with the "$100 million Export-Import Bank Loan" of 1949) in his summary of "US Foreign Aid to Israel", and that's at least in part because of the interest charged to the American People for every dollar printed by the FED. This interest is above and beyond any punitive interest attached to the loans themselves and is added to our national debt at the time of the money's printing. Every dollar distributed outside of the United States, whether by the FED or the US Government, has been printed at the expense of the US citizenry.

Now, because of the intentional destruction and/or hampering of oversight bodies that resulted from wide-sweeping deregulation policies beginning in the late 90's and continuing through to today, it's currently difficult for the public to measure the impact of US foreign aid (including those so-called "bank loans" you claim shouldn't count); but as of 1997, when the grand total of non-adjusted aid to Israel reportedly stood at just under $85,000,000,000, the interest costs borne by the US (not the Israelis) was just under $50,000,000,000, making the total cost to the US citizenry just under $135,000,000,000!

If Sharp's conservative numbers are to be believed, we've only stacked another $36,000,000,000 (not accounting for inflation or interest to the American People) on top of those 1997 figures.

...Maybe you should ask the muslim in charge why he has increased Americas debt 3 fold to $17 TRILLION DOLLARS Not a thing to do with Israel is it, [...]

Well, I suppose if we didn't count *6 years worth of all direct and some indirect aid, as well as the interest borne by the American People as a result of that aid, then Israel wouldn't have had anything to do with it.

*Yes, I can include a significant portion of fiscal 2014, because allocated monetary aid to Israel is given in lump sums toward the beginning of each new fiscal year (more special treatment).

Well you cant single out one small part and claim that it is a LIE while relying on the rest to bolster your position.

But this shows that you are indeed LYING .........

In 1992, Israel received $10 billion in loan guarantees from the American government to help the nation rebuild after its economy took a major hit following the Gulf War. Israel repaid every loan it withdrew and the United States was never called on to fulfill it guarantor obligations. Likewise, Israel has never defaulted against the loan guarantees put in place in 2003.

So Israel has paid back all of its loans from the USA, including the interest leveed, and has actually helped the US economy in the process. So why has Americas International debt risen to close on $20 TRILLION and is still rising............

First of all, aren't you going to complain about the bias of my source there?

Selective bitching about source bias is a sign that you're disingenuous in your approach.

That aside, the statement, "Israel repaid every loan it withdrew and the United States was never called on to fulfill it guarantor obligations." [sic], is in reference to loans taken out by Israel from institutions other than the US Government, for which the American People essentially co-signed (for the most part without their knowledge or consent) and assumed all of the risk in place of Israel's lenders. It has nothing to do with the repayment of US loans granted by the FED on behalf of the US citizenry to Israel.

Toward addressing the spirit of your misguided question, though, as noted by WRMEA contributing author Richard H. Curtiss:

[...]Further, friends of Israel never tire of saying that Israel has never defaulted on repayment of a U.S. government loan. It would be equally accurate to say Israel has never been required to repay a U.S. government loan. The truth of the matter is complex, and designed to be so by those who seek to conceal it from the U.S. taxpayer.

Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants. On other loans, Israel was expected to pay the interest and eventually to begin repaying the principal. But the so-called Cranston Amendment, which has been attached by Congress to every foreign aid appropriation since 1983, provides that economic aid to Israel will never dip below the amount Israel is required to pay on its outstanding loans. In short, whether U.S. aid is extended as grants or loans to Israel, it never returns to the Treasury.[...]

Smoke, mirrors, and intentionally misleading language have been the tools of the trade for Zionist-based special interest groups all along; which explains the tactics and widespread misapprehensions among Zionist apologists like you, Phoenall.

 

[proudveteran06]

Do some research and you will see that Israel got nothing from no one until the late 1970's early 1980's. And that was just reduction in prices for a few products. The USA did not pay any money to Israel until Egypt demanded massive amounts of aid in return for signing a peace deal with Israel.

Of course that is not true.

Everything from Rothschild to little blue boxes, Israel would not exist without OPM.

Why do Israel haters always talk about how Israel wouldn't exist without this or that?
Israel DOES exist, get over it.

The Palestinian wouldn't complain if that money were going to " Palestine" . Wait..... It can't; The Country doesn't exist.

 

[Beelzebub]

Hmmm.

Most people know that laughing at your own jokes sucks any humour out of them.
No harm done. You 'wit' is witless.

 

[Roudy]

Of course that is not true.

Everything from Rothschild to little blue boxes, Israel would not exist without OPM.

Why do Israel haters always talk about how Israel wouldn't exist without this or that?
Israel DOES exist, get over it.

The Palestinian wouldn't complain if that money were going to " Palestine" . Wait..... It can't; The Country doesn't exist.

and never did.

 

[Samson]

Those that bless Israel are blessed by GOD,those that curse Israel are cursed by GOD! Your choice Genesis 12:2-3

 

[montelatici]

Those that bless Israel are blessed by GOD,those that curse Israel are cursed by GOD! Your choice Genesis 12:2-3

Oh dear.

 

[GISMYS]

Those that bless Israel are blessed by GOD,those that curse Israel are cursed by GOD! Your choice Genesis 12:2-3

Oh dear.

FEELING VANQUISHED???? truth does do that to some!!!

 

[montelatici]

Oh dear.

FEELING VANQUISHED???? truth does do that to some!!!

No, just wondering if the poster also believes the Brothers Grimm fairy tales are true.