Israel on the mooch

[P F Tinmore]

"Oh yeah? Well, the Palestinians are moochers too!"

Compelling argument there.

Before Israel we had one self sufficient country.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

Good plan.

 

[GISMYS]

Those that bless Israel are blessed by GOD,those that curse Israel are cursed by GOD! Your choice Genesis 12:2-3

 

[Capstone]

"Oh yeah? Well, the Palestinians are moochers too!"

Compelling argument there.

Before Israel we had one self sufficient country.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

Good plan.

It's a microcosm of the state of affairs in the United States, with the Palestinians representing the poor welfare recipients and Israel representing corporate welfare recipients.

If it weren't such a blood-soaked travesty, it would actually be funny.

 

[toastman]

Palestine didn't get aid from anyone until Israel stole, bombed, or bulldozed their economic infrastructure.

Of course Palestinian ass kissers always blame Israel for everything.
When have the Palestinians ever taken responsibility for their actions?

They are the 'blame everyone for their problems' capital of the world.

Is deflection all you have?

How is it deflection if I directly responded to your post?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Those that bless Israel are blessed by GOD,those that curse Israel are cursed by GOD! Your choice Genesis 12:2-3

OK, but this Israel is a fake.

The Bible does not apply.

 

[toastman]

"Oh yeah? Well, the Palestinians are moochers too!"

Compelling argument there.

Before Israel we had one self sufficient country.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

Good plan.

Before Israel, there was no Palestinian country, no matter how many times you repeat that lie.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course Palestinian ass kissers always blame Israel for everything.
When have the Palestinians ever taken responsibility for their actions?

They are the 'blame everyone for their problems' capital of the world.

Is deflection all you have?

How is it deflection if I directly responded to your post?

If somebody bulldozes your crops, whose fault is it there is no food?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh6nIYoJd_8]Goldstone Facts-Chapter 13, Destruction of the Sawafeary Chicken Farm - YouTube[/ame]

 

[toastman]

Those that bless Israel are blessed by GOD,those that curse Israel are cursed by GOD! Your choice Genesis 12:2-3

OK, but this Israel is a fake.

The Bible does not apply.

Fake? What does that even mean?

And who are you to determine weather the Bible applies or not??

 

[toastman]

Is deflection all you have?

How is it deflection if I directly responded to your post?

If somebody bulldozes your crops, whose fault is it there is no food?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh6nIYoJd_8]Goldstone Facts-Chapter 13, Destruction of the Sawafeary Chicken Farm - YouTube[/ame]

Are you implying that there is no food now??

You sob story doesn't fool me. The situation that the lowly Palestinians are in is because of their war mongering mentality towards Israel.
They should not have started those two intifadas.
But that's what happens when you play with fire. You get burned.
The Palestinians see reaping what they have sown.

 

[montelatici]

Israel, the mooch capital of the world, has its hand out again.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Budget-strapped Israel is pressing the United States to conclude a deal extending defense aid beyond 2017, when Washington's current $3 billion annual payouts to its Middle East ally expire, officials said on Friday.

A U.S. official briefed on the talks and who spoke on condition of anonymity said Israel was seeking an overall increase to between $3.2 billion and $3.5 billion a year, while the Obama administration had spoken of $2.8 billion.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

You can of course prove that the USA GIVE ISREAL $3 billion in aid, and not $2.5 billion in LOANS to be repaid with INTEREST.

Another ISLAMONAZO BLOOD LIBEL

Israel has never repaid a single loan.

"In a meeting on Monday between U.S. State Department and Israeli officials, the U.S. officials promised to extend loan guarantees to Israel for the next three years. The $3.8 billion in loan backing is in addition to the $3 billion a year in aid given to Israel by the U.S. government.....“Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants.”


http://tinyurl.com/n4dl7n7

 

[Indeependent]

Israel, the mooch capital of the world, has its hand out again.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Budget-strapped Israel is pressing the United States to conclude a deal extending defense aid beyond 2017, when Washington's current $3 billion annual payouts to its Middle East ally expire, officials said on Friday.

A U.S. official briefed on the talks and who spoke on condition of anonymity said Israel was seeking an overall increase to between $3.2 billion and $3.5 billion a year, while the Obama administration had spoken of $2.8 billion.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

You can of course prove that the USA GIVE ISREAL $3 billion in aid, and not $2.5 billion in LOANS to be repaid with INTEREST.

Another ISLAMONAZO BLOOD LIBEL

Israel has never repaid a single loan.

"In a meeting on Monday between U.S. State Department and Israeli officials, the U.S. officials promised to extend loan guarantees to Israel for the next three years. The $3.8 billion in loan backing is in addition to the $3 billion a year in aid given to Israel by the U.S. government.....“Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants.”


U.S. Government Pledges $3.8 Billion In Loan Guarantees To Israel « Aletho News

Interesting, with no US oversight, Israel took the money and actually produced one of the most respected military forces in the world.

 

[Capstone]

Israel, the mooch capital of the world, has its hand out again.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Budget-strapped Israel is pressing the United States to conclude a deal extending defense aid beyond 2017, when Washington's current $3 billion annual payouts to its Middle East ally expire, officials said on Friday.

A U.S. official briefed on the talks and who spoke on condition of anonymity said Israel was seeking an overall increase to between $3.2 billion and $3.5 billion a year, while the Obama administration had spoken of $2.8 billion.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

You can of course prove that the USA GIVE ISREAL $3 billion in aid, and not $2.5 billion in LOANS to be repaid with INTEREST.

Another ISLAMONAZO BLOOD LIBEL

Israel has never repaid a single loan.

"In a meeting on Monday between U.S. State Department and Israeli officials, the U.S. officials promised to extend loan guarantees to Israel for the next three years. The $3.8 billion in loan backing is in addition to the $3 billion a year in aid given to Israel by the U.S. government.....“Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants.”


U.S. Government Pledges $3.8 Billion In Loan Guarantees To Israel « Aletho News

It's more convoluted than that.

From here:

What are Loan Guarantees?

Loan guarantees are essentially the explicit agreements between two people - or two nations - that if one defaults on a loan the other is obligated to pay it back.

Whether between family members or between countries, loan guarantees mean the same thing. In this case, in 2003 the United States Federal Reserve, an obviously more reliable financial entity than Israel, promised to pay off Israeli loans worth up to $9 billion. The extension announced in 2012 means that United States commits itself to guaranteeing future Israeli loans worth up to the $3.8 billion remaining on the original agreement until 2015.

Israel is not the only country in the Middle East which has received loan guarantees from the United States. Turkey, Egypt and Jordan have also been given American loan guarantees, mostly in the aftermath of the Gulf War.

Do Loan Guarantees Adversely Affect the United States?

The most important thing to know about the loan guarantees is that they are not grants - not one penny of U.S. government funds are transferred to Israel and, ideally, the United States will never have to pay out even a single dollar.

The United States is accepting responsibility from international creditors for any loans the Israeli government takes out - with a few stipulations. Though this means that the U.S. could be hit with up to a $3.8 billion bill, plus interest, if Israel defaults on their loans, this is a mostly muted concern.

In 1992, Israel received $10 billion in loan guarantees from the American government to help the nation rebuild after its economy took a major hit following the Gulf War. Israel repaid every loan it withdrew and the United States was never called on to fulfill it guarantor obligations. Likewise, Israel has never defaulted against the loan guarantees put in place in 2003.

Loan guarantees for Israel also have no bearing whatsoever on U.S. domestic programs or taxpayers. Helping Israel will not take any money away from the billions of dollars in guarantees and loans devoted to meeting America's immediate needs at home. Unlike foreign aid, with loan guarantees taxpayer dollars will not be going to Israel outright. [emphasis Capstone's]

The highlighted bit is a bold-faced lie, and all of the above is misleading by virtue of characterizing "the United States Federal Reserve" as the "US/American Government" and by failing to mention that all of the countries involved in these loan guarantees are recipients to varying degrees of US foreign aid via loans as well. What's been set up here is the Ponzi Scheme to end all Ponzi Schemes, in which the victims from start to finish are the US tax-payers -- first by being charged interest by the FED for every dollar printed and loaned, secondly by the downgrade to our own National credit rating due in no small part to such criminal activities, and finally because taking on the responsibility for the sovereign default of nations other than our own incorporates the assumption risk of which the American People have never explicitly approved!

 

[Phoenall]

What else is new?

Israel's been on the mooch to keep on the march for more than 66 years now.

Do some research and you will see that Israel got nothing from no one until the late 1970's early 1980's. And that was just reduction in prices for a few products. The USA did not pay any money to Israel until Egypt demanded massive amounts of aid in return for signing a peace deal with Israel.

Of course that is not true.

Everything from Rothschild to little blue boxes, Israel would not exist without OPM.

So which sovereign nation was Rothschild and Little Blue Boxes. If a jew wants to subscribe to an Israeli charity that is a good thing, NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE AS YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUT. Maybe we should outlaw all charities and stop buying cookies from girl scouts.

Now produce the evidence that the Israelis did not get any aid from the USA until the arab muslims went on the mooch during the Egypt/Israel peace talks ?

 

[Phoenall]

What else is new?

Israel's been on the mooch to keep on the march for more than 66 years now.

Do some research and you will see that Israel got nothing from no one until the late 1970's early 1980's. And that was just reduction in prices for a few products. The USA did not pay any money to Israel until Egypt demanded massive amounts of aid in return for signing a peace deal with Israel.

Even by conservative estimates...

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $121 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance. [...]


U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel
Congressional Research Service
Appendix A.

Historical Background
1948-1970
U.S. government assistance to Israel began in 1949 with a $100 million Export-Import Bank Loan. For the next two decades, U.S. aid to Israel was modest and was far less than in later years. Although the United States provided moderate amounts of economic aid (mostly loans), Israel’s main early patron was France, which provided Israel with advanced military equipment and technology. In 1962, Israel purchased its first advanced weapons system from the United States (Hawk antiaircraft missiles). In 1968, a year after Israel’s victory in the Six Day War, the Johnson Administration, with strong support from Congress, approved the sale of Phantom aircraft to Israel, establishing the precedent for U.S. support for what later came to be referred to as Israel’s qualitative military edge over its neighbors. [...]

With total inflation since 1947 at 983.95%, the inflation adjusted dollars would tell a slightly different story than Jeremy Sharp would lead us to believe with phrasing like "moderate amounts of economic aid".

Having said that, my statement that Israel's been on the mooch to keep on the march for more than 66 years wasn't intended to be restricted to direct US foreign aid or even to the United States specifically. All told, Israel's been mooching in many under-the-table ways off of a number of nations since its inception.

Oh, and this business of pointing out that it's mostly been loans fails to account for how much interest the FED has charged the American People for every dollar our Government has loaned to Israel over the years. The US government might recoup some of that interest in the loan repayment process, but somehow the national debt has done nothing but grow in the meantime.

The whole thing is an unconscionable sham.

A bank loan is not aid, it is a loan with punitive interest rates that has to be paid back. Remember the loans given to Britain during WW2 and how it took till the early part of this century to pay them back. Selling arms and armaments is not AID it is BUSINESS and don't the USA sell the same stuff to Saudi Arabia in return for oil concessions ?


Maybe you should ask the muslim in charge why he has increased Americas debt 3 fold to $17 TRILLION DOLLARS Not a thing to do with Israel is it, but all down to his failed health care programme that has gang bangers treated for gunshot wounds while elderly ladies are left to die. Ask why if you are currently paying health insurance you also have to pay into obamacare, and why so few are signing up to obamacare lifting the costs even more.

 

[Phoenall]

Of course that is not true.

Everything from Rothschild to little blue boxes, Israel would not exist without OPM.

Why do Israel haters always talk about how Israel wouldn't exist without this or that?
Israel DOES exist, get over it.

It does but it is the mooch capital of the world.

A bigger bunch of freeloaders cannot be found anywhere.

Try Palestine that exists on what it mooches of the rest of the world, followed by Pakistan that gets significantly more than Israel yet still has massive poverty while affording a space programme. The UK is in turmoil over the governments refusal to reduce the aid going to Pakistan. Taken as a percentage the amount going to islamic nations is 90% of the total world aid package so how is Israel singled out by ISLAMONAZIS when they are the real con men freeloaders

 

[Phoenall]

Israel, the mooch capital of the world, has its hand out again.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Budget-strapped Israel is pressing the United States to conclude a deal extending defense aid beyond 2017, when Washington's current $3 billion annual payouts to its Middle East ally expire, officials said on Friday.

A U.S. official briefed on the talks and who spoke on condition of anonymity said Israel was seeking an overall increase to between $3.2 billion and $3.5 billion a year, while the Obama administration had spoken of $2.8 billion.

Budget-strapped Israeli military banks on future US aid

A Palestinian supporter calling Israel the mooch capital

Without all the many sources of aid the lowly Palestinians receive, there wouldn't even be a Palestinians authority.

Palestine didn't get aid from anyone until Israel stole, bombed, or bulldozed their economic infrastructure.

They were getting aid before the declaration of independence, it came in the form of zakat from the other arab muslims. Or were you hoping that this would not be known about. The illegal collection of money in mosques to go towards INTERNATIONAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM. Time to close down all mosques and deport the muslims from the west.

 

[Phoenall]

Aye, fascists always blame their victims.

Is that why you blame the Jews and Israel for everything then.............

 

[Phoenall]

Palestine didn't get aid from anyone until Israel stole, bombed, or bulldozed their economic infrastructure.

Of course Palestinian ass kissers always blame Israel for everything.
When have the Palestinians ever taken responsibility for their actions?

They are the 'blame everyone for their problems' capital of the world.

Is deflection all you have?

Truth and reality are not deflection, and Palestine was getting zakat before the Zionist movement started

 

[Phoenall]

"Oh yeah? Well, the Palestinians are moochers too!"

Compelling argument there.

Before Israel we had one self sufficient country.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

Good plan.

Don't you mean a country of slaves that relied on the sweat of Jews and Christians to give it an economy. Now we have Israel that is one of the brightest stars and Palestine that is a 3rd world cess pit. Which one reneges on its obligations while paying "pensions" to its terrorists

 

[Phoenall]

"Oh yeah? Well, the Palestinians are moochers too!"

Compelling argument there.

Before Israel we had one self sufficient country.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

Good plan.

It's a microcosm of the state of affairs in the United States, with the Palestinians representing the poor welfare recipients and Israel representing corporate welfare recipients.

If it weren't such a blood-soaked travesty, it would actually be funny.

The Palestinians have it within their means to bring a halt to the bloodshed and deprivation, as shown by the work created by the Jews in the west bank. So why do they insist on war when they know they cant win..................