Islamic honor killings

[American_Jihad]

And people ask me why do I call these people beasts...
"Try to Relax Here for a While Because They’re Going to Kill You Anyway"
January 25, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

This is an excerpt from a larger Asra Nomani piece on honor killings in the Wall Street Journal. It's quite a dark look at what life under Islamic mores is like for women.

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When you consider the problem of terrorism, it's important to remember that we are dealing with societies where dehumanization and murder of even one's own closest relatives is not an aberration. Expecting a culture where you throw a party for murdering your own daughter who had been raped to treat us better than they have, let alone to understand that killing is wrong, is just unrealistic.

Ms. Zoepf gingerly traces the roots of twisted practices, such as honor killings, to Islamic concepts such as fitna, or the “chaos” that is often connected to “temptation of a sexual nature.”

That accusation, incidentally, has also been directed from the Muslim world at the entire West.

"Try to Relax Here for a While Because They’re Going to Kill You Anyway"

 

[Pogo]

"Honor killing" is not Islamic, Jizzhat. It's not associated with any religion at all. It's way older than Islam, older than Christianism, older than Judaism or Buddhism. It's a cultural artifact from antiquity, and it has no religious function. Not in Islam, not in Christianism, not in Hinduism, not in Sikhism --- nowhere in any of the religions coincident with it. To the contrary, ALL of those religions prohibit it. So when it still happens, it happens in spite of --- not because of -- anybody's religion.

And we've done this a million times and I can prove it. Your link here is a complete load of crapola.

Get your head out of the sewers you get your bullshit info from. You'll smell better.

 

[American_Jihad]

"Honor killing" is not Islamic, Jizzhat. It's not associated with any religion at all. It's way older than Islam, older than Christianism, older than Judaism or Buddhism. It's a cultural artifact from antiquity, and it has no religious function. Not in Islam, not in Christianism, not in Hinduism --- nowhere. ALL of those religions prohibit it. So when it still happens, it happens in spite of --- not because of -- anybody's religion.

And we've done this a million times and I can prove it. Your link here is a complete load of crapola.

Get your head out of the sewers you get your bullshit info from. You'll smell better.

But, but were talking about Islamic because no one else is doing it today in the 21st cen. fool. Now get to work and give me some links, now...

 

[Pogo]

"Honor killing" is not Islamic, Jizzhat. It's not associated with any religion at all. It's way older than Islam, older than Christianism, older than Judaism or Buddhism. It's a cultural artifact from antiquity, and it has no religious function. Not in Islam, not in Christianism, not in Hinduism --- nowhere. ALL of those religions prohibit it. So when it still happens, it happens in spite of --- not because of -- anybody's religion.

And we've done this a million times and I can prove it. Your link here is a complete load of crapola.

Get your head out of the sewers you get your bullshit info from. You'll smell better.

But, but were talking about Islamic because no one else is doing it today in the 21st cen. fool. Now get to work and give me some links, now...

BULLSHIT. As I just said it has nothing to do with religion. There is no religious function IN it. Never has been, never will be.

You'll get your links when I'm good and ready. Like during normal business hours. Go crawl back to whatever gutter you woke up the snakes in and sleep it off.

 

[007]

"Honor killing" is not Islamic, Jizzhat. It's not associated with any religion at all. It's way older than Islam, older than Christianism, older than Judaism or Buddhism. It's a cultural artifact from antiquity, and it has no religious function. Not in Islam, not in Christianism, not in Hinduism --- nowhere. ALL of those religions prohibit it. So when it still happens, it happens in spite of --- not because of -- anybody's religion.

And we've done this a million times and I can prove it. Your link here is a complete load of crapola.

Get your head out of the sewers you get your bullshit info from. You'll smell better.

But, but were talking about Islamic because no one else is doing it today in the 21st cen. fool. Now get to work and give me some links, now...

BULLSHIT. As I just said it has nothing to do with religion. There is no religious function IN it. Never has been, never will be.

You'll get your links when I'm good and ready. Like during normal business hours. Go crawl back to whatever gutter you woke up the snakes in and sleep it off.

Oh man... Pogo... really dude? How many people do you think DON'T KNOW about muslim HONOR KILLINGS?

Get real Bud...

 

[American_Jihad]

"Honor killing" is not Islamic, Jizzhat. It's not associated with any religion at all. It's way older than Islam, older than Christianism, older than Judaism or Buddhism. It's a cultural artifact from antiquity, and it has no religious function. Not in Islam, not in Christianism, not in Hinduism --- nowhere. ALL of those religions prohibit it. So when it still happens, it happens in spite of --- not because of -- anybody's religion.

And we've done this a million times and I can prove it. Your link here is a complete load of crapola.

Get your head out of the sewers you get your bullshit info from. You'll smell better.

But, but were talking about Islamic because no one else is doing it today in the 21st cen. fool. Now get to work and give me some links, now...

BULLSHIT. As I just said it has nothing to do with religion. There is no religious function IN it. Never has been, never will be.

You'll get your links when I'm good and ready. Like during normal business hours. Go crawl back to whatever gutter you woke up the snakes in and sleep it off.

LINK, moron anybody, any group, make one up if you have to. Now get to work jackass...

 

[Pogo]

"Honor killing" is not Islamic, Jizzhat. It's not associated with any religion at all. It's way older than Islam, older than Christianism, older than Judaism or Buddhism. It's a cultural artifact from antiquity, and it has no religious function. Not in Islam, not in Christianism, not in Hinduism --- nowhere. ALL of those religions prohibit it. So when it still happens, it happens in spite of --- not because of -- anybody's religion.

And we've done this a million times and I can prove it. Your link here is a complete load of crapola.

Get your head out of the sewers you get your bullshit info from. You'll smell better.

But, but were talking about Islamic because no one else is doing it today in the 21st cen. fool. Now get to work and give me some links, now...

BULLSHIT. As I just said it has nothing to do with religion. There is no religious function IN it. Never has been, never will be.

You'll get your links when I'm good and ready. Like during normal business hours. Go crawl back to whatever gutter you woke up the snakes in and sleep it off.

Oh man... Pogo... really dude? How many people do you think DON'T KNOW about muslim HONOR KILLINGS?

Get real Bud...

Piss off punk. As I said we've done this a trillion times here. Sell your fucking bullshit elsewhere, this board ain't buyin'.

 

[Pogo]

OK assholes, it ain't that hard to Google this back up, here's one among many, at random ---

What size rock do you live under to remain this degree of Ignorant?

>> An Indian couple was lynched and set on fire in the eastern state of Bihar in a suspected case of “honor killing” on Wednesday, according to local media reports. A case has been registered by the local police against six people, of whom one has been arrested so far.

A 36-year-old man and a 16-year-old girl reportedly eloped three days ago from a village in Bihar’s Gaya district, but were located by the girl’s family and brought back to the village of Amaitha, about 65 miles south of the state’s capital Patna. The village council had held a meeting to resolve the issue, but the girl’s family refused to settle the situation and killed the couple, BBC reported. << --- IBTimes​

There's no reference in the article to anyone's religion -- just as there's no reference to anyone's astrological sign or who might be lefthanded -- as these are not a factor in the act. However it does go into what IS a factor:

>> Honor killings, which are typically the result of two young people marrying without the consent of their families and often across caste barriers -- hence bringing "dishonor" on the family -- are widespread in India, among all ethnic groups and religions, but especially in rural regions of the north and northwest.

In 2011, India's Supreme Court warned that those who kill for "honor" should face death penalty. <<​

"Family". "Caste". "Social status". NONE of these are aspects of religion, whether Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, Christian or anything else. These are social status matters, which is exactly what we've been noting all along. It is simply NOT RELATED TO RELIGION, and to suggest it is comprises a fatal Cum Hoc fallacy. Nor have any of you bigots presented one shred of evidence that the religion created it. ANY of them.

It was used in the fucking Roman Empire fer Chrissake, and they didn't invent it either.


Then there's ...

>> According to statistics from the United Nations, one in five cases of honour killing internationally every year comes from India. Of the 5000 cases reported internationally, 1000 are from India. Non-governmental organisations put the number at four times this figure. They claim it is around 20,000 cases globally every year.

While traditionally occuring in villages and smaller towns in India, the cases of 'honour killing' have been on the rise and are reported sporadically in the media. The double murder of a 14-year-old school girl and a 50-year-old domestic help in a New Delhi suburb with its 'honour killing' sub text has received unprecedented attention, and is perhaps urban India's most hyped alleged 'honour killing'.

Although the Talwars, the parents of the girl, were charged with the murders of their daughter, Aarushi and their domestic help, Hemraj, the 'motive' for the murders has always been attributed to 'honour killing'. Special CBI Judge Shyam Lal, while convicting the parents earlier this week, said that the dentist couple had found their daughter and the help in an "objectionable position".
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Cases piling up

Some gruesome cases that have been reported in the media in recent times from different regions in the country include that of 23 year old Dharmender Barak and 18 year old Nidhi Barak, who paid a heavy price for defying their families and falling in love.

The couple, from a village in Rohtak district in Harayana, were tortured, mutilated and killed by the girl’s father and their relatives when they tried to run away and marry. A friend whom the couple had confided in, leaked their plans to the girl’s parents, who lured them back with assurances, only to allegedly kill them in the most cruel manner. The police is treating the ‘double murder’ as a ‘honour crime’.

In September 2013, the Haryana police arrested a police sub-inspector in connection with the killing of a 19 year old girl from Panipat. Meenakshi had eloped with her lover and the cop had tracked her down and handed her over to her family, who then allegedly murdered her.

On October 24, 2013, in another case from Haryana, a 15 year old Muslim girl from Muzzafarnagar was banished to her uncle’s house to prevent her from seeing the boy she was in love with. Her uncle allegedly murdered her and buried her in Panchkula District in Haryana.

... In July 2013, Arun Bandu Irkal from Yerwada in Maharashtra was served with a life sentence by a sessions judge. In 2002, the accused had reportedly assaulted his 17 year old daughter, Yashodha, 48 times with a pair of scissors for having an affair with a boy from another caste. She did not survive the attack.

The accused surrendered, then fled bail and was finally re-arrested in 2011. The court convicted him for murdering his daughter this year. The court said ‘honour’ was the motive behind the murder.

On November 1, 2013, in Bhopal, a lower court announced a life term for 10 men in a case of 'honour killing'. The men were accused of killing Amar Singh, the elder brother of Sawar Singh who had allegedly eloped with Hema, the wife of Balbir Singh, one of the accused men.

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Voices have also been raised to reign in the 'khap panchayats', self-elected village councils comprising male village elders who perpetuate values that, in turn, covertly endorse these killings in the name of saving the 'family's honour'.

Like the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan, the khaps have attained notoriety by issuing diktats on dress code for women and demanding a ban on the use of cell phones by young girls and women.

In rural India and middle class urban India, the onus for upholding the family morality falls on the women in the family - the daughter, daughter-in-law, wife and mother. By daring to choose a life partner, other than the one chosen for her by her family or by committing adultery, she violates the family’s honour. Both she and her lover face death as a consequence.

Recently, a group of khap panchayats filed a document before the country’s highest court saying they had been wrongly charged for encouraging honour killings in rural India. Earlier, a women’s rights group, Shakti Vahini, had petitioned the Supreme Court seeking a direction to the government to be more proactive when ‘honour killings’ are carried out.

They blamed the khap panchayats for endorsing patriarchy, which reinforced the subjugation of women in society and the resultant ‘honour killings’.

Retribution for bringing shame

The court summoned 67 representatives of the khap panchayats to explain their role in ‘honour killings’. They did that in a written reply, saying it is not they who are responsible for such killings but the families who fail to prevent their daughters and sisters and wives from interacting with men, which results in shame and ostracisation by the community.

They argued that women who feared their male relatives never committed such acts and therefore never had to face such consequences. In short, the khap panchayat representatives overtly defended ‘honour killings’.

According to UN statistics, the United Kingdom has 12 cases of honour killings every year, the majority of them from the Asian and west Asian diaspora. Will countries abroad have to also legislate on 'honour killing' if South Asian men and those from west Asia carry their patriarchy to foreign shores and murder women who break the so-called ‘cultural norms’?
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'Cancer of patriachy'

Banaz’s Iraqi Kurd father and relatives felt she had brought shame to her family and community by leaving her husband who was abusive and an alleged rapist. Banaz had fallen in love with another man and had to pay with her life for that. She was raped, strangled to death and her body was put in a suitcase.

.... Recently a case was reported where, after a long battle with the Australian Immigration and Refugee Authorities, a couple, a Sikh and a backward caste Hindu who had married secretly in India in 2007, were granted asylum in the country. The couple had said their lives would be in danger if they had to return to India as they feared ‘honour killing’ for having defied the caste system.

Even as the dust settles on the verdict of the Talwars in Delhi, it will be a while before Indian society really begins to digest the cancer of patriarchy manifested through ‘honour killings’. Like all social evils, unless society shuns these practices, the police and judiciary alone cannot save women who want to break free from arranged and abusive marriages. --- Honor Killings: India's Crying Shame​

Now then Gummo.... exactly how many of these cases even make a reference to religion? I make it three: one Hindu, one Muslim, one Sikh, all three of which are mentioned as incidental adjectives. In how many of those does religion play any role at all in the act? ZERO. How many of the motivations -- which I put in bold for you slow readers -- have any kind of religious basis at all, from any religion at all? ZERO.

On the other hand --- how many references do we see to family and social "caste" status, control of women, patriarchy, and activism against it by women's groups -- you'll note, not religious groups but women's groups? Every damn one of them.

Still want to go on with this abject ignoramitude?


(from here)

And YOU, Jizzhat, were RIGHT THERE IN THAT FUCKING THREAD, so don't come crawling in here trying to claim you don't know about this, fucking liar.

 

[Pogo]

The notions of honour and shame and their use as justification for violence and killing is not unique to any one culture or religion.45 Indeed, honour and honour-based violence are reflected in historical events in many countries, and in many works of literature.

For instance, duelling was a key practice through which claims of masculine honour were made, maintained and understood in Western societies.46 In France, Le Cid told the story of a man insulted by a slap across the face, who asked his son to defend his honour in a duel. In Canada, duelling continued into the late 1800s.47

In Britain, for example, the fifth wife of Henry VIII was beheaded based on allegations of adultery. In British literature, Shakespeare's Desdemona was killed over allegations of infidelity, and Romeo and Juliet tracked an ancient family feud over honour. King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table centred on notions of honour. The premise of the Three Musketeers was the King's guards avenging the betrayal of the king by Cardinal Richelieu.

Similar notions can be traced in Latin American societies. In Brazil and parts of Latin America, machismo is often described as a code of honour. In the early times of Peru, the laws of the Incas permitted husbands to starve their wives to death as punishment for committing an adulterous act. Aztec laws resulted in death by stoning or strangulation for female adultery during the early times of Mexico.48

Several great wars started over honour. Likely the clearest of these was the Trojan War, which began over the honour of Helen. Her father required that all her suitors defend his choice for her marriage, thereby setting all of Greece against Troy.

In Ancient Roman times, the senior male within a household retained the right to kill a related woman if she was engaged in pre-marital or extra-marital relations.49 According to Blackstone, the Roman law justified homicide "when committed in defence of the chastity either of oneself or relations".50
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In many Arab countries, the practice of honour killing dates back to pre-Islamic times when Arab settlers occupied a region adjacent to Sindh, known as Baluchistan (in Pakistan).57 These Arab settlers had patriarchal traditions such as live burials of newly born daughters. Such traditions trace back to the earliest historic times of Ancient Babylon, where the predominant view was that a woman's virginity belonged to her family.58

There is no mention of honour killing in the Quran or Hadiths. Honour killing, in Islamic definitions, refers specifically to extra-legal punishment by the family against a woman, and is forbidden by the Sharia (Islamic law). Religious authorities disagree with extra punishments such as honour killing and prohibit it, so the practice of it is a cultural and not a religious issue. However, since Islam has influence over vast numbers of Muslims in many countries and from many cultures, some use Islam to justify honour killing even though there is no support for honour killing in Islam. --- Historical Context: Origins of Honor Killing

 

[007]

"Honor killing" is not Islamic, Jizzhat. It's not associated with any religion at all. It's way older than Islam, older than Christianism, older than Judaism or Buddhism. It's a cultural artifact from antiquity, and it has no religious function. Not in Islam, not in Christianism, not in Hinduism --- nowhere. ALL of those religions prohibit it. So when it still happens, it happens in spite of --- not because of -- anybody's religion.

And we've done this a million times and I can prove it. Your link here is a complete load of crapola.

Get your head out of the sewers you get your bullshit info from. You'll smell better.

But, but were talking about Islamic because no one else is doing it today in the 21st cen. fool. Now get to work and give me some links, now...

BULLSHIT. As I just said it has nothing to do with religion. There is no religious function IN it. Never has been, never will be.

You'll get your links when I'm good and ready. Like during normal business hours. Go crawl back to whatever gutter you woke up the snakes in and sleep it off.

Oh man... Pogo... really dude? How many people do you think DON'T KNOW about muslim HONOR KILLINGS?

Get real Bud...

Piss off punk. As I said we've done this a trillion times here. Sell your fucking bullshit elsewhere, this board ain't buyin'.

Well, that's all nice and dandy you trying to sound tough and all, but the facts remain, muslims honor kill their women...

In Pakistan, 1,000 women die in ‘honor killings’ annually. Why is this happening?

And I never really said anything mean to you ever before on this board, and you just went completely off your rocker on me to support lies. Guess our friendship is over, moron.

 

[Pogo]

Honor killings are often unfairly attributed to being an Islamic practice. It takes no Sharia expert to know that honor killings are not a part of Islam; poor Farzana was not killed by an edict of faith, but rather because of other, more complex social factors.

In fact, Islam strongly prohibits honor killings. As it says in the Qur’an: “Whoever kills a believer intentionally, their reward will be Hell, to abide therein forever, and the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon them, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for them.” (Holy Quran, Chapter 4, Verse 93) Although capital punishment is indeed allowed in Islam, particularly for crimes such as murder, no one man is allowed to be judge, jury and executioner in one.

Moreover, there is no historical tradition in Islam for honor killing; nothing is written in the Qur’an in support of these murders, and there is no Hadith in which Muhammad (pbuh) sanctions this practice.

Why then, do honor killings happen so often in Islamic countries? In the first place, Islamic countries are by far not the only places where honor killings take place; Honor killings predate Islam, going back all the way to ancient Mesopotamia. They are also very common in India, where they are committed by Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims alike. In Italy, honor killing remained a crime in the Italian legal code until 1981.

What then, is the real reason behind the prevalence of honor killings, across geographic and religious borders? The answer is both simple and incredibly complex: religion (all religions, not just Islam) is being used as a justification for patriarchy, in societies where family honor relies heavily upon parental control of the children. In such societies, a family loses “honor” when a child shames them publicly by disobeying them. The only way honor can be regained after this shaming is by killing the offending family member.

We are lucky that such is not the case in Morocco, and that honor killings are relatively rare in the Maghreb. But the social factors that allow for honor killings to be prevalent–patriarchy, a focus on family honor, undue importance placed on filial obedience—exist in Morocco. Raising social awareness of the causes of honor killings is an important part of preventing their occurrence here, as is combating the patriarchal value system which de-values the lives of women and children. -- Morocco World News

 

[American_Jihad]

PooGoo is that all ya got, no wonder your the laughing stock. Islam has hundreds of thousands and you bring me B/S, try again now get back to work...

 

[Pogo]

>> Recently, a story appeared in Huffington Post about a 16 year old Turkish girl who was buried alive by her father and grandfather for having talked to boys. The West rightly finds this a horrific practice. However, many in the West also misunderstand and conveniently condemn honor killing as a practice of Islam. The mistake with this condemnation is that Islam does not permit or condone honor killing. However, it is precisely this misunderstanding and ignorance that allows many in the West to participate in a climate of hate, mistrust and even the idea of war against all of Islam.

... Fueling the charge of "crazy" in the cases of honor killing is the concept of honor. What is honor? Traditionally, honor in this context means one's reputation or good name. The concept of honor may come from the need to be perceived as perfect in the eyes of one's community because if one's community sees a person as flawless, then perhaps so will God and they will easily enter Heaven. Since God is such a far away concept, the instant gratification of the approval of one's neighbors or one's community of a father and his family's lifestyle and their adherence to Islam's rules becomes more immediate and in many cases is used as an indication of one's perfection in the eyes of God. However, it should be noted this is a centuries-old cultural practice with, in some cases, only the slightest connection to Islam. In many cases, honor is connected to the sexual purity of one's daughter or female family member, which is too big a topic to be examined here.

And while some in the West see honor killing as "evidence" that Islam is a bad religion, many in the East condemn the West as being a place with an evil culture where women have sex with countless numbers of men followed by countless numbers of abortions all in the name of their feminist, godless freedom with absolutely no respect for life. And because East and West each perceive the other as having no respect for life because of their honor killings and abortions, it becomes easier for some in our respective cultures to hate the other even more. <<

(case history 1):

>> In Rana Husseini's Murder in the Name of Honor, Ms. Husseini describes an interview in a Jordanian jail she had with a young man named Sarhan who in 1999 shot his sister Yasmin because she was no longer a virgin after she had been raped by a brother-in-law.

In the interview, Sarhan explained, "'I killed her because she was no longer a virgin,' he told me. 'She made a mistake, willingly or not. It is better that one person dies than the whole family of shame and disgrace. It is like a box of apples. If you have one rotten apple would you keep it or get rid of it? I just got rid of it.' When I challenged Sarhan by pointing out that his act contradicted the teachings of Islam and was punishable by God, he said, 'I know that killing my sister is against Islam and it angered God, but I had to do what I had to do and I will answer to God when the time comes." He added, "I know my sister was killed unjustly but what can I do? This is how society thinks. Nobody really wants to kill his own sister." <<

(case history 2):

>> ... I, Rinde, grew up in Turkey and quickly realized it was not favorable to be born a girl. No matter what my brothers did it was accepted by my parents. On the other hand, they would talk over me as if I had nothing significant to say. My brothers and my parents would beat me on many occasions, especially when I did something to displease them, such as dare to talk back to them which was disapproved of since they were men. However, it was okay for them to slap me around to put me on "the right path".

Their abuse was not dictated by religion since my brothers were not really religious, nor did it come from love to "help me be a better person". However, I got off easy, because there were occasions where women would suddenly be missing. These women would vanish without a trace. It would be reported by a family in my village that "my daughter has committed suicide". It was obvious that they were killed by a family member, but no one would dare say anything. Being Kurdish, the customs of our culture even before Islam's arrival are more cemented than even the religion itself in the name of deeply rooted rituals and beliefs. Besides, most people never really study the Quran and have a very limited, distorted view of their own religion. Thus, they act on cultural impulse as Sarhan so aptly described it.<<

--- Deepak Chopra, Jim Buck and Rinde Pasori, "A Practical Approach to Talking about Honor Killing"​

See why I keep insisting culture is where it's at as a motivator? Not only are laws powerless against it --- religion is too.

 

[Pogo]

This is from India -- notorious for honor killings:

>>The Khap panchayts frequently deliberate on social issues to attempt to combat social problems like female abortions, alcohol abuse, dowry, rape [15][16][17] and to promote education.[18] specially among girls[19]

The largest Khap in Haryana is the Satrol Khap, which allowed inter-caste marriage in 2014,[20] providing the marriage is not within the same gotra, village, or neighboring villages[21]

...The Supreme Court has declared illegal 'Khap panchayats' which often decree or encourage honour killings or other institutionalised atrocities against boys and girls of different castes and religions who wish to get married or have married.[25]

This is wholly illegal and has to be ruthlessly stamped out. There is nothing honourable in honour killing or other atrocities and, in fact, it is nothing but barbaric and shameful murder. Other atrocities in respect of the personal lives of people committed by brutal, feudal-minded persons deserve harsh punishment. Only this way can we stamp out such acts of barbarism and feudal mentality. Moreover, these acts take the law into their own hands, and amount to kangaroo courts, which are wholly illegal.
— Bench of Justices Markandey Katju and Gyan Sudha Misra.[26]

In his report to the Supreme Court Raju Ramachandaran, Senior Advocate appointed by the Court to assist it in PILs against Khap Panchayats has called for arrest of "self styled" decision makers and proactive action by the police to protect the fundamental rights of the people. It also asked for the recommendations being converted as directions to all States and the Union, till a law is enacted by the Parliament.[27] <<
Again, these khap panchayats are not affiliated with Hinduism nor Sikhism, nor are they sanctioned by or affiliated with their local or federal governments. They're tribal. Read the link if you don't believe me.

These are ancient social constructs that simply do not have a cognate in our culture. I know it would be easier to ascribe them to an avenue we're familiar with like religions but it just isn't the way it works.

 

[Pogo]

PooGoo is that all ya got, no wonder your the laughing stock. Islam has hundreds of thousands and you bring me B/S, try again now get back to work...

Go fuck yourself asswipe. I just proved you wrong five ways from Sunday. You can stick your head in the sand going but it just makes you more of a jizzhat.

You're wrong, and you've been proven wrong. Eat it. Ya fucking lying HACK.

 

[007]

PooGoo is that all ya got, no wonder your the laughing stock. Islam has hundreds of thousands and you bring me B/S, try again now get back to work...

Go fuck yourself asswipe. I just proved you wrong five ways from Sunday. You can stick your head in the sand going but it just makes you more of a jizzhat.

You're wrong, and you've been proven wrong. Eat it.

No....

In Pakistan, 1,000 women die in ‘honor killings’ annually. Why is this happening?

 

[American_Jihad]

Keep working poo, you might catch up to islam in about 10yrs, lol...

have fun, moron...

 

[007]

Brutally murdered Texas teenagers were 'victims of honor killings'

 

[007]

Keep working poo, you might catch up to islam in about 10yrs, lol...

have fun, moron...

Might be longer A_J... some progtards have been pretty severely brain washed.

 

[gallantwarrior]

"Honor killing" is not Islamic, Jizzhat. It's not associated with any religion at all. It's way older than Islam, older than Christianism, older than Judaism or Buddhism. It's a cultural artifact from antiquity, and it has no religious function. Not in Islam, not in Christianism, not in Hinduism, not in Sikhism --- nowhere in any of the religions coincident with it. To the contrary, ALL of those religions prohibit it. So when it still happens, it happens in spite of --- not because of -- anybody's religion.

And we've done this a million times and I can prove it. Your link here is a complete load of crapola.

Get your head out of the sewers you get your bullshit info from. You'll smell better.

Link?