Islam is not inherently evil

[tjvh]

When Muslims kill gays we should condemn them. When Christians ask for the same, we should support them or minimize the concern.

Interesting.

I condemn Muslim and Christians who oppress gays. That does not make either religion INHERENTLY evil, even though both call for evil to be done in the name of Allah and God.

You do realize there is a BIG difference between exercising Freedom of Speech (however vile YOU think that speech is), and "actually" killing people over ones Religious beliefs.

 

[Sky Dancer]

It's not personal, Sky. I attack bigots in general.

It damn well is personal, Si.

Hmmm. Then, perhaps being a bigot is not something you should do.

But, hey, I'm not calling you a mo fo, am I? Because, that would be pretty personal.

If you were honest, you would admit your own biases. I admit mine. If you don't want me to call you a mo fo, then stop acting like one.

Clean up your own act.

I admit having biases, but even with my biases, I do not consider either Islam or Christianity to be INHERENTLY evil.

 

[Liability]

An early law against sexual intercourse between men is recorded in Leviticus, prescribing the death penalty. Similar laws are found across historical legislation in the Middle Assyrian Law Codes, and in early Germanic law.
In Republican Rome, the poorly attested Lex Scantinia penalized an adult male for committing a sex crime (stuprum) against an underage male citizen (ingenuus). It is unclear whether the penalty was death or a fine. The law may also have been used to prosecute adult male citizens who willingly took a pathic role in same-sex acts, but prosecutions are rarely recorded and the provisions of the law are vague; as John Boswell has noted, "if there was a law against homosexual relations, no one in Cicero's day knew anything about it."

When the Roman Empire came under Christian rule, all male homosexual activity was increasingly repressed, often on pain of death. In 342 CE, the Christian emperors Constantius and Constans declared same-sex marriage to be illegal. Shortly after, in the year 390 CE, emperors Valentinian II, Theodosius I and Arcadius declared homosexual sex to be illegal and those who were guilty of it were condemned to be publicly burned alive. Emperor Justinian I (527–565 CE) made homosexuals a scapegoat for problems such as "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences."

Laws and codes prohibiting homosexual practice were in force in Europe from the fourth to the twentieth centuries, and Muslim countries have had similar laws from the beginnings of Islam in the seventh century up to and including the present day. Abbasid Baghdad, under the Caliph Al-Hadi (785–786 CE), punished homosexuality with death.

During the Middle Ages, the Kingdom of France and the City of Florence also instated the death penalty. In Florence, a young boy named Giovanni di Giovanni (1350–1365?) was castrated and burned between the thighs with a red-hot iron by court order under this law. These punishments continued into the Renaissance, and spread to the Swiss canton of Zürich. Knight Richard von Hohenberg (died 1482) was burned at the stake together with his lover, his young squire, during this time. In France, French writer Jacques Chausson (1618–1661) was also burned alive for attempting to seduce the son of a nobleman.

In England, the Buggery Act, which made sodomy and bestiality punishable by death, was instated in 1534 CE and remained law until 1861. In Nazi Germany, homosexuals were among the groups targeted by the Holocaust.
Violence against LGBT people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So what?

I am opposed (as are many many conservatives) to "laws" that call for bigotry or violence against people on account of gender or sexual orientation.

WTF does that have to do with anything under discussion here?

 

[Liability]

It damn well is personal, Si.

Hmmm. Then, perhaps being a bigot is not something you should do.

But, hey, I'm not calling you a mo fo, am I? Because, that would be pretty personal.

If you were honest, you would admit your own biases. I admit mine. If you don't want me to call you a mo fo, then stop acting like one.

Clean up your own act.

No no. If you want to call out people for being too "personal," then ACT accordingly your own pathetic hypocritical self.

 

[Si modo]

It damn well is personal, Si.

Hmmm. Then, perhaps being a bigot is not something you should do.

But, hey, I'm not calling you a mo fo, am I? Because, that would be pretty personal.

If you were honest, you would admit your own biases. I admit mine. If you don't want me to call you a mo fo, then stop acting like one.

Clean up your own act.

I don't care if you call me a mo fo. I just care to point out your hypocrisy and bigotry.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Hmmm. Then, perhaps being a bigot is not something you should do.

But, hey, I'm not calling you a mo fo, am I? Because, that would be pretty personal.

If you were honest, you would admit your own biases. I admit mine. If you don't want me to call you a mo fo, then stop acting like one.

Clean up your own act.

I don't care if you call me a mo fo. I just care to point out your hypocrisy and bigotry.

I give you back what you give me. I'm not your door mat.

You think Islam is inherently evil? I do not. You think Christianity is inherently good? I do not.

I do not consider Christian or Islam inherently good or evil.

I have made my views completely clear. I am done with this thread.

 

[Si modo]

If you were honest, you would admit your own biases. I admit mine. If you don't want me to call you a mo fo, then stop acting like one.

Clean up your own act.

I don't care if you call me a mo fo. I just care to point out your hypocrisy and bigotry.

I give you back what you give me. I'm not your door mat.

You think Islam is inherently evil? I do not. You think Christianity is inherently good? I do not.

I do not consider Christian or Islam inherently good or evil.

Well, I don't recall calling you a mo fo.

Now, you lie about what I think?

But, let's get back to reality:

 

[Liability]

I don't care if you call me a mo fo. I just care to point out your hypocrisy and bigotry.

I give you back what you give me. I'm not your door mat.

You think Islam is inherently evil? I do not. You think Christianity is inherently good? I do not.

I do not consider Christian or Islam inherently good or evil.

Well, I don't recall calling you a mo fo.

Now, you lie about what I think?

But, let's get back to reality:

That poor girl might suffer the indignity of having a stone hit her in the breasts before the stones render her kind of -- you know -- dead.

These vile Muslims can't even get THAT right?

 

[Si modo]

I give you back what you give me. I'm not your door mat.

You think Islam is inherently evil? I do not. You think Christianity is inherently good? I do not.

I do not consider Christian or Islam inherently good or evil.

Well, I don't recall calling you a mo fo.

Now, you lie about what I think?

But, let's get back to reality:

That poor girl might suffer the indignity of having a stone hit her in the breasts before the stones render her kind of -- you know -- dead.

These vile Muslims can't even get THAT right?

Yeah, they're doing it wrong because it's from a scene in a show, about a true stoning, though.

So, I changed it...wanna keep it totally real here.

 

[Katzndogz]

See, I can't relate to the Muslim violence against gays, because those folks are soo different from Americans. I expect that kind of violence in countries without democracy.

But when I find American Christians with a similiar anti-gay mindset to violent Muslims I find it horrifying. I think that's because I identify more with American Christians than Middle Eastern Muslims.

I was raised in a RCC family. When the RCC calls for kill gays legislation in Uganda it's horrifying to me. My family are RCC. It brings the horror closer.

Of course those countries have democracy. This is what the people who live there democratically want. Christianity does not tell Christians to kill anyone. Some preachers have peculiar ideas but since there is nothing in Christianity itself that exhorts believers to murder there is little to worry about.

Much had been said about the Westboro Baptist Church and it's anti gay message. Westboro's entire congregation is 16 people and they are all in the same famlly. Gays do not think they are in danger of being killed. That's not their complaint. Their complaint in this country is that homosexuality is not considered normal behavior and that's the same as killing them.

 

[Buford]

See, I can't relate to the Muslim violence against gays, because those folks are soo different from Americans. I expect that kind of violence in countries without democracy.

But when I find American Christians with a similiar anti-gay mindset to violent Muslims I find it horrifying. I think that's because I identify more with American Christians than Middle Eastern Muslims.

I was raised in a RCC family. When the RCC calls for kill gays legislation in Uganda it's horrifying to me. My family are RCC. It brings the horror closer.

You're confused, dear. The Roman Catholic Church is not calling or gays to be murdered.

Catholic Bishops in Uganda are.

That's not the Roman Catholic Church. Try getting honest. You'll look smarter.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

According to the U.S. Population Clock, there are 313,649,296 Americans as of June 1, 2012. Conservative estimates put the number of gays and lesbians at 5% to 10% which means kooks like Commandants Anderson, Knapp and Worley want to kill 15,682,464 to 31,364,929 of their fellow American citizens. Did you get that? These ignorant Baptist preachers want to kill as many as 31 million American citizens based on their own inability to understand Leviticus 20:13 in context.

Does this vicious hatred from alleged men of God make you sick to your stomach? Even Nazi Germany didn't incarcerate behind electrified fences in concentration camps and kill that many of their fellow citizens. Anderson, Knapp and Worley are worse than Nazis in their blood-lust.


Serious questions for
thoughtful Christians


1.Do you personally believe God advocates that gay people should be killed?


2.Who should be in charge of killing gay people today?


3.Some of you may decide not to kill all gays and lesbians.


4.If you are allowed to disregard the killing part of Leviticus 20:13, why are gays not allowed to disregard the "men with men" part?


5.Do you also believe all adulterers should be killed? Leviticus 20:10 says to kill adulterers.


6.Why should we kill all gays and not kill all adulterers (other than the common sense reason that killing all adulterers would empty most churches)?


7.Who should be in charge of killing adulterers today?


8.If it's wrong to kill adulterers why is it okay to kill gays?


9.Is it possible Leviticus 20:13 is not talking about gays at all?


10.Is it possible your understanding of Leviticus 20:13 is wrong and completely at odds with what God and Moses were saying?



Kill Gays seems to be the mindset of some Christians. Isn't that sad?

Still trying to make Christianity look evil in order to defend your defense of Islam?

 

[Warrior102]

Islam and peace goes together just like shit and food.

"What's for dinner Mom?"

"Shit and steak son."

See how that goes? Same thing - Islam and peace.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

See, I can't relate to the Muslim violence against gays, because those folks are soo different from Americans. I expect that kind of violence in countries without democracy.

But when I find American Christians with a similiar anti-gay mindset to violent Muslims I find it horrifying. I think that's because I identify more with American Christians than Middle Eastern Muslims.

I was raised in a RCC family. When the RCC calls for kill gays legislation in Uganda it's horrifying to me. My family are RCC. It brings the horror closer.

To sum your position up, it is OK for other countries to persecute and kill gays because you can't relate to non democratic countries. This, somehow, also means that those countries are not evil because they follow the teachings of a violent sociopath. Yet the example of a extremely small number of Christians in the US somehow proves that those people who are killed in the name of Islam are actually victims of extremist Christians.

 

[Sky Dancer]

See, I can't relate to the Muslim violence against gays, because those folks are soo different from Americans. I expect that kind of violence in countries without democracy.

But when I find American Christians with a similiar anti-gay mindset to violent Muslims I find it horrifying. I think that's because I identify more with American Christians than Middle Eastern Muslims.

I was raised in a RCC family. When the RCC calls for kill gays legislation in Uganda it's horrifying to me. My family are RCC. It brings the horror closer.

To sum your position up, it is OK for other countries to persecute and kill gays because you can't relate to non democratic countries. This, somehow, also means that those countries are not evil because they follow the teachings of a violent sociopath. Yet the example of a extremely small number of Christians in the US somehow proves that those people who are killed in the name of Islam are actually victims of extremist Christians.

Not at all. It is ABSOLUTELY not ok for Middle Eastern countries to torture and kill gays because of some narrow minded fundamentalist interpretation of Shariah Law.

It disturbs me more when Christians in our own country call for the government to committ violence toward gays. It disturbs me more because I was raised as an American Christian, not a Muslim.

I can more easily identify with and relate to American Christians than I can to Muslims in the Middle East.

 

[Sky Dancer]

You're confused, dear. The Roman Catholic Church is not calling or gays to be murdered.

Catholic Bishops in Uganda are.

That's not the Roman Catholic Church. Try getting honest. You'll look smarter.

I am honest. I said Catholic Bishops. And I provided a link proving it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

See, I can't relate to the Muslim violence against gays, because those folks are soo different from Americans. I expect that kind of violence in countries without democracy.

But when I find American Christians with a similiar anti-gay mindset to violent Muslims I find it horrifying. I think that's because I identify more with American Christians than Middle Eastern Muslims.

I was raised in a RCC family. When the RCC calls for kill gays legislation in Uganda it's horrifying to me. My family are RCC. It brings the horror closer.

To sum your position up, it is OK for other countries to persecute and kill gays because you can't relate to non democratic countries. This, somehow, also means that those countries are not evil because they follow the teachings of a violent sociopath. Yet the example of a extremely small number of Christians in the US somehow proves that those people who are killed in the name of Islam are actually victims of extremist Christians.

Not at all. It is ABSOLUTELY not ok for Middle Eastern countries to torture and kill gays because of some narrow minded fundamentalist interpretation of Shariah Law.

It disturbs me more when Christians in our own country call for the government to committ violence toward gays. It disturbs me more because I was raised as an American Christian, not a Muslim.

I can more easily identify with and relate to American Christians than I can to Muslims in the Middle East.

Does it disturb you that Muslims in America do the same thing?

 

[Sky Dancer]

To sum your position up, it is OK for other countries to persecute and kill gays because you can't relate to non democratic countries. This, somehow, also means that those countries are not evil because they follow the teachings of a violent sociopath. Yet the example of a extremely small number of Christians in the US somehow proves that those people who are killed in the name of Islam are actually victims of extremist Christians.

Not at all. It is ABSOLUTELY not ok for Middle Eastern countries to torture and kill gays because of some narrow minded fundamentalist interpretation of Shariah Law.

It disturbs me more when Christians in our own country call for the government to committ violence toward gays. It disturbs me more because I was raised as an American Christian, not a Muslim.

I can more easily identify with and relate to American Christians than I can to Muslims in the Middle East.

Does it disturb you that Muslims in America do the same thing?

Yes. Sunni Man is a good example of that.

 

[Si modo]

See, I can't relate to the Muslim violence against gays, because those folks are soo different from Americans. I expect that kind of violence in countries without democracy.

But when I find American Christians with a similiar anti-gay mindset to violent Muslims I find it horrifying. I think that's because I identify more with American Christians than Middle Eastern Muslims.

I was raised in a RCC family. When the RCC calls for kill gays legislation in Uganda it's horrifying to me. My family are RCC. It brings the horror closer.

To sum your position up, it is OK for other countries to persecute and kill gays because you can't relate to non democratic countries. This, somehow, also means that those countries are not evil because they follow the teachings of a violent sociopath. Yet the example of a extremely small number of Christians in the US somehow proves that those people who are killed in the name of Islam are actually victims of extremist Christians.

Not at all. It is ABSOLUTELY not ok for Middle Eastern countries to torture and kill gays because of some narrow minded fundamentalist interpretation of Shariah Law.

It disturbs me more when Christians in our own country call for the government to committ violence toward gays. It disturbs me more because I was raised as an American Christian, not a Muslim.

I can more easily identify with and relate to American Christians than I can to Muslims in the Middle East.

So, words disturb you more than actual violence, deadly violence at that.

Wow.

 

[Buford]

Catholic Bishops in Uganda are.

That's not the Roman Catholic Church. Try getting honest. You'll look smarter.

I am honest. I said Catholic Bishops. And I provided a link proving it.

You also said RCC. Now you're lying.