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[Phoenall]

The aggression was the Zionists going to Palestine to take the country. The Palestinians did nothing to invite that aggression.

True, they didn't even exist back then, no country, no land and no borders, of course.

Drivel

No historical fact if you bother to google history of Palestine and see for yourself. At the end of the day Palestine is much like the many wild places of America that have no actual boundaries. Like the steppes of Russia or the Pampas of South America they are just names

 

[pbel]

How can anyone believe a word you post while you ignore the AL's international conspiracy to disenfranchise, beggar and eject close to one million of their own citizenry simply because they were Jewish?

Why do you ignore that crime against humanity?

I have never denied that atrocity and have posted many times that Israel deserved to be in the ME to the 67 borders because of it...

Now the Arab League has offered a permanent peace, recognition, and trade as recently as a few months ago, but Israel refuses the offer and puts salt into this festering wound of a conflict by expanding the confiscation of Arab Lands with settlement building by ignoring UN demands to cease and desist.

What arab land would that be then, seeing as the arabs gave it up some centuries ago and handed it to the Ottomans of Persia. They lost it in 1919 and it was handed to the British and French as spoils of war. They then portioned the land and gave it to Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan leaving a small part for the Jews to settle when Britain and France pulled out of the M.E. for good. Around this time the Islamic states flooded Palestine with thieves, beggars and criminals because the Jews had bought much of the land from the Ottoman rulers and turned desert into lush fertile farms. The only arabs in Palestine were the nomadic Bedouin tribes that moved about the whole of the M.E.
That is the reality of the situation and the UN should be calling for DNA testing to be carried out to see just which "Palestinians" belong to the area, those with mixed blood to lose the right of return.

I see that your historical perspective is drivel. When did the Ottomans become Persians? The only thieves that came to Palestine were Zionist who continue their trade. And, if you did DNA tests the Palestinians have been proven to be of the original stock of Palestine.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I have never denied that atrocity and have posted many times that Israel deserved to be in the ME to the 67 borders because of it...

Now the Arab League has offered a permanent peace, recognition, and trade as recently as a few months ago, but Israel refuses the offer and puts salt into this festering wound of a conflict by expanding the confiscation of Arab Lands with settlement building by ignoring UN demands to cease and desist.

What arab land would that be then, seeing as the arabs gave it up some centuries ago and handed it to the Ottomans of Persia. They lost it in 1919 and it was handed to the British and French as spoils of war. They then portioned the land and gave it to Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan leaving a small part for the Jews to settle when Britain and France pulled out of the M.E. for good. Around this time the Islamic states flooded Palestine with thieves, beggars and criminals because the Jews had bought much of the land from the Ottoman rulers and turned desert into lush fertile farms. The only arabs in Palestine were the nomadic Bedouin tribes that moved about the whole of the M.E.
That is the reality of the situation and the UN should be calling for DNA testing to be carried out to see just which "Palestinians" belong to the area, those with mixed blood to lose the right of return.

I see that your historical perspective is drivel. When did the Ottomans become Persians? The only thieves that came to Palestine were Zionist who continue their trade. And, if you did DNA tests the Palestinians have been proven to be of the original stock of Palestine.

Link to those DNA tests, please.

 

[pbel]

What arab land would that be then, seeing as the arabs gave it up some centuries ago and handed it to the Ottomans of Persia. They lost it in 1919 and it was handed to the British and French as spoils of war. They then portioned the land and gave it to Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan leaving a small part for the Jews to settle when Britain and France pulled out of the M.E. for good. Around this time the Islamic states flooded Palestine with thieves, beggars and criminals because the Jews had bought much of the land from the Ottoman rulers and turned desert into lush fertile farms. The only arabs in Palestine were the nomadic Bedouin tribes that moved about the whole of the M.E.
That is the reality of the situation and the UN should be calling for DNA testing to be carried out to see just which "Palestinians" belong to the area, those with mixed blood to lose the right of return.

I see that your historical perspective is drivel. When did the Ottomans become Persians? The only thieves that came to Palestine were Zionist who continue their trade. And, if you did DNA tests the Palestinians have been proven to be of the original stock of Palestine.

Link to those DNA tests, please.

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.[31] Since the time of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century, religious conversions have resulted in Palestinians being predominantly Sunni Muslim by religious affiliation, though there is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as Druze and a small Samaritan community. Though Palestinian Jews made up part of the population of Palestine prior to the creation of the State of Israel, few identify as "Palestinian" today. Acculturation, independent from conversion to Islam, resulted in Palestinians being linguistically and culturally Arab.[18] The vernacular of Palestinians, irrespective of religion, is the Palestinian dialect of Arabic. Many Arab citizens of Israel including Palestinians are bilingual and fluent in Hebrew.

 

[aris2chat]

The region has been a mix since the beginning of time. Armies, traders, pilgrims, refugees have all come to the shores of the eastern Mediterranean. it has been the cross road of history.
People living in the palestine region are a bit of everything. There was no single race or group called palestinians that are indigenous. With 18 or more religions there will be at least as many if not more different races intermingles. Arabs make up at least a dozen or more tribes. Bedouin have at least 3 major confederation, each with several different tribes from arabia, sinai and jordan.
There is not pure blooded palestinian indigenous to the area.

Are the Negev Bedouin an Indigenous People?: Fabricating Palestinian History :: Middle East Quarterly

>>Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."2

Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3


Between 1750 and 1766 Jaffa had been rebuilt, and had some five hundred houses. Turks, Arabs, Greeks and Armenians and a solitary Latin monk lived there, to attend to the wants of the thousands of pilgrims who had to be temporarily housed in the port before proceeding to Jerusalem.4

"In some cases villages [in Palestine] are populated wholly by settlers from other portions of the Turkish Empire within the nineteenth century. There are villages of Bosnians, Druzes, Circassians and Egyptians," one historian has reported. 5<<

1. Richard Hartmann, Palestina unter den Araben, 632-1516 (Leipzig, 1915), cited by de Haas, History, p. 147.

2. De Haas, History, p. 258. John of Wurzburg list from Reinhold Rohricht edition, pp. 41, 69.

3. F. Eugene Roger, La Terre Sainte (Paris, 1637), p. 331, cited by de Haas, History, p. 342.

4. Frederich Hasselquist, Reise nach Palastina, etc., 1749-52 (Rostock, 1762), p. 598, cited by de Haas, History, p. 355.

5. Parkes, Whose Land?, p. 212. See Chapters 13 and 14.

I see that your historical perspective is drivel. When did the Ottomans become Persians? The only thieves that came to Palestine were Zionist who continue their trade. And, if you did DNA tests the Palestinians have been proven to be of the original stock of Palestine.

Link to those DNA tests, please.

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.[31] Since the time of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century, religious conversions have resulted in Palestinians being predominantly Sunni Muslim by religious affiliation, though there is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as Druze and a small Samaritan community. Though Palestinian Jews made up part of the population of Palestine prior to the creation of the State of Israel, few identify as "Palestinian" today. Acculturation, independent from conversion to Islam, resulted in Palestinians being linguistically and culturally Arab.[18] The vernacular of Palestinians, irrespective of religion, is the Palestinian dialect of Arabic. Many Arab citizens of Israel including Palestinians are bilingual and fluent in Hebrew.

 

[P F Tinmore]

True, they didn't even exist back then, no country, no land and no borders, of course.

Drivel

No historical fact if you bother to google history of Palestine and see for yourself. At the end of the day Palestine is much like the many wild places of America that have no actual boundaries. Like the steppes of Russia or the Pampas of South America they are just names

Of course that is not true.

Palestine had defined international borders, Palestine nationality, and Palestinian citizens before the beginning of the mandate.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The region has been a mix since the beginning of time. Armies, traders, pilgrims, refugees have all come to the shores of the eastern Mediterranean. it has been the cross road of history.
People living in the palestine region are a bit of everything. There was no single race or group called palestinians that are indigenous. With 18 or more religions there will be at least as many if not more different races intermingles. Arabs make up at least a dozen or more tribes. Bedouin have at least 3 major confederation, each with several different tribes from arabia, sinai and jordan.
There is not pure blooded palestinian indigenous to the area.

Are the Negev Bedouin an Indigenous People?: Fabricating Palestinian History :: Middle East Quarterly

>>Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."2

Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3


Between 1750 and 1766 Jaffa had been rebuilt, and had some five hundred houses. Turks, Arabs, Greeks and Armenians and a solitary Latin monk lived there, to attend to the wants of the thousands of pilgrims who had to be temporarily housed in the port before proceeding to Jerusalem.4

"In some cases villages [in Palestine] are populated wholly by settlers from other portions of the Turkish Empire within the nineteenth century. There are villages of Bosnians, Druzes, Circassians and Egyptians," one historian has reported. 5<<

1. Richard Hartmann, Palestina unter den Araben, 632-1516 (Leipzig, 1915), cited by de Haas, History, p. 147.

2. De Haas, History, p. 258. John of Wurzburg list from Reinhold Rohricht edition, pp. 41, 69.

3. F. Eugene Roger, La Terre Sainte (Paris, 1637), p. 331, cited by de Haas, History, p. 342.

4. Frederich Hasselquist, Reise nach Palastina, etc., 1749-52 (Rostock, 1762), p. 598, cited by de Haas, History, p. 355.

5. Parkes, Whose Land?, p. 212. See Chapters 13 and 14.

Link to those DNA tests, please.

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.[31] Since the time of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century, religious conversions have resulted in Palestinians being predominantly Sunni Muslim by religious affiliation, though there is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as Druze and a small Samaritan community. Though Palestinian Jews made up part of the population of Palestine prior to the creation of the State of Israel, few identify as "Palestinian" today. Acculturation, independent from conversion to Islam, resulted in Palestinians being linguistically and culturally Arab.[18] The vernacular of Palestinians, irrespective of religion, is the Palestinian dialect of Arabic. Many Arab citizens of Israel including Palestinians are bilingual and fluent in Hebrew.

Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

WOW, this sounds like the United States.

At least they are in good company.

 

[Phoenall]

I have never denied that atrocity and have posted many times that Israel deserved to be in the ME to the 67 borders because of it...

Now the Arab League has offered a permanent peace, recognition, and trade as recently as a few months ago, but Israel refuses the offer and puts salt into this festering wound of a conflict by expanding the confiscation of Arab Lands with settlement building by ignoring UN demands to cease and desist.

What arab land would that be then, seeing as the arabs gave it up some centuries ago and handed it to the Ottomans of Persia. They lost it in 1919 and it was handed to the British and French as spoils of war. They then portioned the land and gave it to Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan leaving a small part for the Jews to settle when Britain and France pulled out of the M.E. for good. Around this time the Islamic states flooded Palestine with thieves, beggars and criminals because the Jews had bought much of the land from the Ottoman rulers and turned desert into lush fertile farms. The only arabs in Palestine were the nomadic Bedouin tribes that moved about the whole of the M.E.
That is the reality of the situation and the UN should be calling for DNA testing to be carried out to see just which "Palestinians" belong to the area, those with mixed blood to lose the right of return.

I see that your historical perspective is drivel. When did the Ottomans become Persians? The only thieves that came to Palestine were Zionist who continue their trade. And, if you did DNA tests the Palestinians have been proven to be of the original stock of Palestine.

The Ottomans were always Persian, and a distinct race to the arabs, Persia is now modern Turkey and most of Iran . Just google it and see the reality. I see you are another of those ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATING NAZIS who uses the term Zionist instead of the words you would prefer. Lets take Hebron as an example shall we of Islamic land theft shall we, and show the NAZI just how the muslims work. Hebron was a Jewish town even before islam was invented by the child rapist Mohamed, and the Jews worked the land and made it into a thriving community. Along comes the muslims who murder the Jews and run them of their property so they can reap the benefits, in a few short years the land in once again barren and unproductive because the muslims sat back and did nothing. The Jews slowly came back and once again turned desert into lush green farmland again, so the muslims murdered the Jews and ran them of their land and so the cycle continued. Not a Zionist in sight, but plenty of thieving muslims who abide by the laws of sharia. Now skip forward to the late 19C and we see the muslims crowding into Palestine hoping to steal Jewish owned land and make a quick profit only to be halted by WW1 and the muslims siding with Germany. After WW1 the league of nations punished the Ottomans by taking most of their land from them and dividing it up amongst the victors. So Britain got Palestine as reparations for the war and they entered into negotiations with the arabs to give all of Palestine to the Jews as their homeland. The land was bounded by Egypt to the south and the river Jordan to the East and Lebanon to the north. At the same time a similar parcel of land was to be given to the muslims and that was from the East bank of the river Jordan, this was to be known as TRANS JORDAN to show it was over the river Jordan. Do you want more History lessons on the conflict in the M.E and how the muslims are thieves, rapists and murderers.

 

[Phoenall]

Drivel

No historical fact if you bother to google history of Palestine and see for yourself. At the end of the day Palestine is much like the many wild places of America that have no actual boundaries. Like the steppes of Russia or the Pampas of South America they are just names

Of course that is not true.

Palestine had defined international borders, Palestine nationality, and Palestinian citizens before the beginning of the mandate.

then you will have no problem in producing a map of Palestine showing Its capital City, a copy of its constitution, its last known ruler, its currency and its racial make up. I can show that Palestine was a made up word by the Roman invaders to insult the Jews of the area and was used throughout history as an insult towards the Jews. Try reading UN resolution 242 that sets out the terms for defining the borders of Israel and Palestine once and for all, and at every step it has been the mongrel muslims that have refused to talk peace.

 

[pbel]

What arab land would that be then, seeing as the arabs gave it up some centuries ago and handed it to the Ottomans of Persia. They lost it in 1919 and it was handed to the British and French as spoils of war. They then portioned the land and gave it to Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan leaving a small part for the Jews to settle when Britain and France pulled out of the M.E. for good. Around this time the Islamic states flooded Palestine with thieves, beggars and criminals because the Jews had bought much of the land from the Ottoman rulers and turned desert into lush fertile farms. The only arabs in Palestine were the nomadic Bedouin tribes that moved about the whole of the M.E.
That is the reality of the situation and the UN should be calling for DNA testing to be carried out to see just which "Palestinians" belong to the area, those with mixed blood to lose the right of return.

I see that your historical perspective is drivel. When did the Ottomans become Persians? The only thieves that came to Palestine were Zionist who continue their trade. And, if you did DNA tests the Palestinians have been proven to be of the original stock of Palestine.

The Ottomans were always Persian, and a distinct race to the arabs, Persia is now modern Turkey and most of Iran . Just google it and see the reality. I see you are another of those ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATING NAZIS who uses the term Zionist instead of the words you would prefer. Lets take Hebron as an example shall we of Islamic land theft shall we, and show the NAZI just how the muslims work. Hebron was a Jewish town even before islam was invented by the child rapist Mohamed, and the Jews worked the land and made it into a thriving community. Along comes the muslims who murder the Jews and run them of their property so they can reap the benefits, in a few short years the land in once again barren and unproductive because the muslims sat back and did nothing. The Jews slowly came back and once again turned desert into lush green farmland again, so the muslims murdered the Jews and ran them of their land and so the cycle continued. Not a Zionist in sight, but plenty of thieving muslims who abide by the laws of sharia. Now skip forward to the late 19C and we see the muslims crowding into Palestine hoping to steal Jewish owned land and make a quick profit only to be halted by WW1 and the muslims siding with Germany. After WW1 the league of nations punished the Ottomans by taking most of their land from them and dividing it up amongst the victors. So Britain got Palestine as reparations for the war and they entered into negotiations with the arabs to give all of Palestine to the Jews as their homeland. The land was bounded by Egypt to the south and the river Jordan to the East and Lebanon to the north. At the same time a similar parcel of land was to be given to the muslims and that was from the East bank of the river Jordan, this was to be known as TRANS JORDAN to show it was over the river Jordan. Do you want more History lessons on the conflict in the M.E and how the muslims are thieves, rapists and murderers.

Why not produce the link showing that the Ottomans were Persians instead of drivel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

No historical fact if you bother to google history of Palestine and see for yourself. At the end of the day Palestine is much like the many wild places of America that have no actual boundaries. Like the steppes of Russia or the Pampas of South America they are just names

Of course that is not true.

Palestine had defined international borders, Palestine nationality, and Palestinian citizens before the beginning of the mandate.

then you will have no problem in producing a map of Palestine showing Its capital City, a copy of its constitution, its last known ruler, its currency and its racial make up. I can show that Palestine was a made up word by the Roman invaders to insult the Jews of the area and was used throughout history as an insult towards the Jews. Try reading UN resolution 242 that sets out the terms for defining the borders of Israel and Palestine once and for all, and at every step it has been the mongrel muslims that have refused to talk peace.

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[Peterf]

It might not seem rational, but religion is important to most people.
Considering the region this board covers, religion is a big part of the politics and justification for their conflict. Can't separate religion from the issues. They are too deeply rooted in both culture and politics.

Do you think god is watching you? Religious myths don't belong in these discussions. Peace will never happen if religious Orthodoxy gets into the peace process...An eye for an eye has blinded the Israelis and Arabs!

Religion and Politics are an anachronism and don't belong in modern Civil Society.

How do you conceive of ANY society without politics? Politics are essential in societies, primative and modern.

 

[pbel]

It might not seem rational, but religion is important to most people.
Considering the region this board covers, religion is a big part of the politics and justification for their conflict. Can't separate religion from the issues. They are too deeply rooted in both culture and politics.

Religion and Politics are an anachronism and don't belong in modern Civil Society.

How do you conceive of ANY society without politics? Politics are essential in societies, primative and modern.

I said: Religion and Politics don't mix in modern societies...Religion is based on Myths, Politics are based on reality.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Religion and Politics are an anachronism and don't belong in modern Civil Society.

How do you conceive of ANY society without politics? Politics are essential in societies, primative and modern.

I said: Religion and Politics don't mix in modern societies...Religion is based on Myths, Politics are based on reality.

Why do some people have so little faith in their beliefs that they must have them enforced by a government?

 

[pbel]

In the end, every last Muslim-Arab Palestinian man, woman and child will be expelled from the West Bank and Gaza, and resettled in Jordan and Lebanon.

It is the only way that Israel can survive as a self-contained, self-reliant, defensible and viable nation-state.

The Israeli-Jews cannot afford to wait until Arab population pressure does this to them.

The Jews have not waited 2000 years to recapture their ancestral and spiritual homeland, only to have it taken from them again.

They have a fire and intensity unknown to the Muslim mind of the region, and unseen in Islam-at-large since the heady days of conquest, many, many centuries ago.

The world-at-large will do nothing to stop the Israelis from completing their annexation, so long as the Jews do not kill the Arabs, but merely evict and expel them.

Certainly, The West will do nothing; as it is engaged in Collective Penance for allowing 6,000,000 of the Jews to be slaughtered within Living Memory.

Once the Jews have their River-to-Sea Kingdom, the Debt and Penance will have been paid; except for some minor support and sustenance in the first few years after the completion of the Reconquista.

You look through a crystal ball that discounts population expulsion.

I look through a crystal ball that sees population expulsion as the only way for them to survive.

They take a chance, by expelling.

They're doomed, if they don't take that chance.

In a very real sense, you're right about the impact of population pressure.

It's just that we differ as to whether an 'Intervention' to prevent that is likely.

Rabbi Kahane's expulsion will never happen...your scenario has already died when the UN recognized a Palestinian State to the 67 borders last year...The Israelis know it and that's why they continue to build settlements to protect Jerusalem which will be shared in my view.

The real question is will the Palestinian/Israeli citizen within the walls overcome demographically in the future?

There are no '67 borders never have been never will be as they are not enforcible. All they are, are ceasefire lines drawn on a map with no legal identity. The UN resolution 242 spells this out when it says that the borders of Israel MUST be reached by mutual understanding

The UN recognized a Palestinian State to the 67 borders...


General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine 'Non ...



https://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/ga11317.doc.htm*


https://www.google.com/search?sourc...0l3.0.0.0.15859...........0.1KUrcMGT_Tg&pbx=1

Nov 29, 2012 - Non-Member Observer State' Status in United Nations ... Israel is prepared to live in peace with a Palestinian State, but for peace to endure, ... including recognition of the Jewish State and an agreement to end the conflict with ...

 

[Peterf]

Religion and Politics are an anachronism and don't belong in modern Civil Society.

How do you conceive of ANY society without politics? Politics are essential in societies, primative and modern.

I said: Religion and Politics don't mix in modern societies...Religion is based on Myths, Politics are based on reality.

Sorry, I misunderstood. I entirely agree with you.

I think Europe is much better at keeping religion out of politics than the US. Except, of course, for the Muslims who do so much to enrich our societies - well at least that's what the multiculti lefties say.

 

[Peterf]

How do you conceive of ANY society without politics? Politics are essential in societies, primative and modern.

I said: Religion and Politics don't mix in modern societies...Religion is based on Myths, Politics are based on reality.

Why do some people have so little faith in their beliefs that they must have them enforced by a government?

You mean like Islam is enforced on the populations of, for example, Iran and Saudi Arabia by Sharia law? Its only in Muslim countries thatt you can be imprisoned or put to death for not having 'faith'.

 

[Phoenall]

I see that your historical perspective is drivel. When did the Ottomans become Persians? The only thieves that came to Palestine were Zionist who continue their trade. And, if you did DNA tests the Palestinians have been proven to be of the original stock of Palestine.

The Ottomans were always Persian, and a distinct race to the arabs, Persia is now modern Turkey and most of Iran . Just google it and see the reality. I see you are another of those ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATING NAZIS who uses the term Zionist instead of the words you would prefer. Lets take Hebron as an example shall we of Islamic land theft shall we, and show the NAZI just how the muslims work. Hebron was a Jewish town even before islam was invented by the child rapist Mohamed, and the Jews worked the land and made it into a thriving community. Along comes the muslims who murder the Jews and run them of their property so they can reap the benefits, in a few short years the land in once again barren and unproductive because the muslims sat back and did nothing. The Jews slowly came back and once again turned desert into lush green farmland again, so the muslims murdered the Jews and ran them of their land and so the cycle continued. Not a Zionist in sight, but plenty of thieving muslims who abide by the laws of sharia. Now skip forward to the late 19C and we see the muslims crowding into Palestine hoping to steal Jewish owned land and make a quick profit only to be halted by WW1 and the muslims siding with Germany. After WW1 the league of nations punished the Ottomans by taking most of their land from them and dividing it up amongst the victors. So Britain got Palestine as reparations for the war and they entered into negotiations with the arabs to give all of Palestine to the Jews as their homeland. The land was bounded by Egypt to the south and the river Jordan to the East and Lebanon to the north. At the same time a similar parcel of land was to be given to the muslims and that was from the East bank of the river Jordan, this was to be known as TRANS JORDAN to show it was over the river Jordan. Do you want more History lessons on the conflict in the M.E and how the muslims are thieves, rapists and murderers.

Why not produce the link showing that the Ottomans were Persians instead of drivel?

Why don't you show a link that proves they are not Persian then ? But suffice to say that the ottomans fought many wars with Persian offshoots and ended up victorious

 

[Phoenall]

Rabbi Kahane's expulsion will never happen...your scenario has already died when the UN recognized a Palestinian State to the 67 borders last year...The Israelis know it and that's why they continue to build settlements to protect Jerusalem which will be shared in my view.

The real question is will the Palestinian/Israeli citizen within the walls overcome demographically in the future?

There are no '67 borders never have been never will be as they are not enforcible. All they are, are ceasefire lines drawn on a map with no legal identity. The UN resolution 242 spells this out when it says that the borders of Israel MUST be reached by mutual understanding

The UN recognized a Palestinian State to the 67 borders...


General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine 'Non ...



https://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/ga11317.doc.htm*


https://www.google.com/search?sourc...0l3.0.0.0.15859...........0.1KUrcMGT_Tg&pbx=1

Nov 29, 2012 - Non-Member Observer State' Status in United Nations ... Israel is prepared to live in peace with a Palestinian State, but for peace to endure, ... including recognition of the Jewish State and an agreement to end the conflict with ...

So produce the map that is a legally binding document that shows the borders of Palestine. You cant because one does not exist, and if the UN tried to force one on Israel it would lead to war in the M.E. The only binding document is the one drawn up in 1919 that shows the agreed extent of Israel, the arabs agreed to this curtilage and it would have been implemented apart from WW2 breaking out.

 

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There are no '67 borders never have been never will be as they are not enforcible. All they are, are ceasefire lines drawn on a map with no legal identity. The UN resolution 242 spells this out when it says that the borders of Israel MUST be reached by mutual understanding

The UN recognized a Palestinian State to the 67 borders...


General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine 'Non ...



https://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/ga11317.doc.htm*


https://www.google.com/search?sourc...0l3.0.0.0.15859...........0.1KUrcMGT_Tg&pbx=1

Nov 29, 2012 - Non-Member Observer State' Status in United Nations ... Israel is prepared to live in peace with a Palestinian State, but for peace to endure, ... including recognition of the Jewish State and an agreement to end the conflict with ...

So produce the map that is a legally binding document that shows the borders of Palestine. You cant because one does not exist, and if the UN tried to force one on Israel it would lead to war in the M.E. The only binding document is the one drawn up in 1919 that shows the agreed extent of Israel, the arabs agreed to this curtilage and it would have been implemented apart from WW2 breaking out.

Well show me a Map where anyone in the world recognizes Israel's sovereignty beyond the 67 borders...As for Ottoman's being Persians, I posted a clear link that refutes your statement that borders on idiocy.