Is this really what you voted for?

[Delldude]

Honestly the Democrats should just let Trump kill insurance for 20 million voters.

20 million future democrat voters?

 

[Mashmont]

Yes. This is what I voted for. ANOTHER Trump DOW record. This man keeps winning....and winning....and winning.

 

[BluesLegend]

Wait. I thought 0bamacare would get everybody insured. You mean it didn't? You mean 0bama lied? I thought 0bama said premiums would decrease $2400 per family? You mean they didn't? You mean 0bama lied?

We've lost trillions of dollars over this fiasco. Time to just end the whole thing and let the private sector do what it does best: Best coverage for the cheapest amount.

Obamacare was designed to FAIL so big it would force total government takeover of health insurance. That goal was let slip a few times during the Obamacare disaster.

 

[Delldude]

That is factually incorrect.

Really?

The fight over whether to extend "temporary" health insurance subsidies is really a fight over how best to hide the costs created by the Affordable Care Act.

We're seeing more evidence for this adage as the government shut downs following Democrats' refusal to vote for a spending bill that did not include an extension of "temporary" Affordable Care Act (ACA), aka Obamacare, subsidies passed during the pandemic.

Those enhanced subsidies were passed as a temporary measure as part of the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan Act in March 2021, and then extended through the end of 2025 by the so-called Inflation Reduction Act (IRA).

Democrats shut down the government to obscure Obamacare's failures

The fight over extending "temporary" health insurance subsidies is really a fight over how to hide the costs created by the Affordable Care Act.

reason.com

 

[debbiedowner]

Most of the subsidies are for either illegals or non-permanent residents. The "Big Beautiful Bill," has already passed, this is only about a CR.

The right gave the left a CR when they had passed Biden's Green New Deal, but now they don't have the courtesy that the right gave to them.

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If they weren't here legally no one received a subsidy for obamacare. I know that for a fact..

 

[debbiedowner]

Honestly the Democrats should just let Trump kill insurance for 20 million voters.

I don't think it would be 20 million but it would be wise if the dems just went along with it and the repubs who receive subsidies moan and cry how insurance companies are ******* the.

 

[JusticeHammer]

It's a question that could be asked about a variety of issues from the unjustified presence of troops on US city streets, to crypto currency profiteering, to pardons of J6 violent criminals, the examples are too numerous to list. Here's one pertaining to the shutdown.

These 6 Charts Explain Why Democrats Shut Down the Government​

All the political skirmishing around the looming government shutdown has obscured the critical reason for it in the first place: Republicans have essentially stopped saying they want to repeal Obamacare, but quietly, they are doing exactly that.

Over the past nine months, Republicans have gone a long way toward dismantling key Obamacare provisions under the misleading guise of reforming or improving our health care system. As a result, more than 20 million Americans face higher insurance premiums next year. And almost 14 million Americans could lose their health insurance altogether over the next decade — an estimated 3.3 million in 2026 alone.

That’s more than 70 percent of those who gained coverage since Obamacare went into effect.

You may be forgiven for missing this headline. There wasn’t one. In 2016, Donald Trump ran on a promise to abolish the program and kept up his crusade throughout his first term, only to have the effort deep-sixed by Senator John McCain. This time around, Mr. Trump has rarely — if ever — mentioned the Affordable Care Act by name. Nor have his fellow Republicans.

But they never stopped trying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/30/opinion/government-shutdown-republican-obamacare.html

Maybe a trump voter could explain why increasing health insurance premiums and taking away coverage for millions is such a priority? Especially in light of there being no replacement plan for the ACA.

NY Times? Try again. Demoncrats are the problem.

 

[Delldude]

If they weren't here legally no one received a subsidy for obamacare. I know that for a fact..

No chance of immigration fraud?

 

[MisterBeale]

If they weren't here legally no one received a subsidy for obamacare. I know that for a fact..

So? Why should non-citizens be eligible for subsidies?

The only reason people should be allowed to legally immigrate, is if they add to the nation, not sponge off it.

 

[MisterBeale]

Honestly the Democrats should just let Trump kill insurance for 20 million voters.

This isn't about voters.

Of course the GOP would never do that. Tell me you aren't really this dumb?

 

[citygator]

This isn't about voters.

Of course the GOP would never do that. Tell me you aren't really this dumb?

 

[marvin martian]

I don't think it would be 20 million but it would be wise if the dems just went along with it and the repubs who receive subsidies moan and cry how insurance companies are ******* the.

Just moan and cry, or also murder the CEO like your lefty pal Luigi did?

 

[MisterBeale]

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If they are too lazy or too uninformed to get subsidies from the ACA, they sure as hell don't vote.
(Or they aren't qualified b/c of citizenship status.)

Yoar critical thinking skills are dismal pal.

 

[citygator]

If they are too lazy or too uninformed to get subsidies from the ACA, they sure as hell don't vote.
(Or they aren't qualified b/c of citizenship status.)

Yoar critical thinking skills are dismal pal.

Death is a great lesson for being bad at process.

This woman missed a court date and lost her private insurance supported through Medicaid due to the process failure on her part. I guess its a lesson learned.

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[MisterBeale]

Death is a great lesson for being bad at process.

This woman missed a court date and lost her private insurance supported through Medicaid due to the process failure on her part. I guess its a lesson learned.

US Healthcare Crisis: Mother Dies After Insurance Denies Life-Saving Drugs - SAC - Law Offices of Stephenson Acquisto & Colman

Introduction: A Heart That Couldn’t Wait Kierra Campbell was 27 years old. A mother of seven. A fighter battling end-stage...

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Guess so.

There is, of course, Canada, Europe, Israel, and a host of other places folks can move to if they don't think it is fair.

 

[sparky]

You don’t stop the lies by saying “stop the lies”, you do it by refuting what is said

The onus of proof is on the accuser Anton

~S~

 

[Anathema]

Maybe a trump voter could explain why increasing health insurance premiums and taking away coverage for millions is such a priority? Especially in light of there being no replacement plan for the ACA.

The US Federal Government has no legitimate mandate to legislate or spend monies on healthcare or insurance in any form via the US Constitution. It should be a PRIVATE/PERSONAL issue, not a Government one.

 

[debbiedowner]

So? Why should non-citizens be eligible for subsidies?

The only reason people should be allowed to legally immigrate, is if they add to the nation, not sponge off it.

If they're legal then they are paying taxes just like you so why not?

 

[debbiedowner]

Just moan and cry, or also murder the CEO like your lefty pal Luigi did?

I condemned Luigi. I'm not moaning I will laugh like hell when maga's lose their subsidies. No sweat of my balls that's more than I can say to someone without balls.

 

[debbiedowner]

No chance of immigration fraud?

Maybe a few got through the first couple of years by crooked insurance agents but there were and still are many safeguards.