Zone1 Is there objective truth? Is there Objective evil and good?

[Hafar1014]

For those who say that everything is relative and there is no "Objective" anything, they sure like to freak out when they see something that they see as "evil", that being Trump. Nihilists dominate the left.

Everything is not relative but morals need context

 

[buttercup]

OhPleaseJustQuit , I know you like to give negative reactions to nearly every single one of my posts, day in and day out. (I can always expect to see negative reactions from you whenever I come here) But you almost never back yourself up or engage in discussion. If you disagree with me, that's OK. But instead of giving a laughie reaction (especially to a civil post) why don't you back yourself up with actual arguments, and show why you think I'm wrong?

Thanks.

 

[Woodznutz]

Define an objective good

Helping others.

 

[Woodznutz]

When your wife asks you how she looks in her new clothes, what do you say?

It all depends on the issue.

My late, ex-wife would never ask me. She knew what I thought of her artsy-fartsy clothing.

 

[Votto]

Germans considered him good doesnt make him good

But I thought it depended on the context.




For example.

 

[Votto]

For those who say that everything is relative and there is no "Objective" anything, they sure like to freak out when they see something that they see as "evil", that being Trump. Nihilists dominate the left.

It is amusing to me to watch the Left decry that everything is relative, no good or evil or real truth, then turn right around and watch them tear down statues of the Founding Fathers for being racist slave owners, while ignoring that their ideology of Marxism, was based on a person who as an ardent racist himself and antisemite.

Hilarious.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

It is amusing to me to watch the Left decry that everything is relative, no good or evil or real truth, then turn right around and watch them tear down statues of the Founding Fathers for being racist slave owners, while ignoring that their ideology of Marxism, was based on a person who as an ardent racist himself and antisemite.

Hilarious.

The left's ideology is suicidal empathy and elevating themselves into positions of power through emotional manipulating and gaslighting, getting themselves into power by acting like "victims".

 

[Votto]

The left's ideology is suicidal empathy and elevating themselves into positions of power through emotional manipulating and gaslighting, getting themselves into power by acting like "victims".

All the Left knows how to do is gas light and virtue signal.

For example, they scoff at the Bible for allowing slavery, but it actually is a book that advocates man to climb out of slavery, such as Moses leading the Hebrew people out of slavery and putting limits on slavery for the first time, demanding slaves for the first time be allowed to go free after 7 years and even have a day of rest, something unheard of in the ancient world.

Then the Left turns right around and focuses on slavery in the US that happened hundreds of years ago, for which we cannot do anything about, as they ignore slavery in the world today that is at levels higher than at any other time in human history, just to virtue signal and get votes.

Disgusting.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

All the Left knows how to do is gas light and virtue signal.

For example, they scoff at the Bible for allowing slavery, but it actually is a book that advocates man to climb out of slavery, such as Moses leading the Hebrew people out of slavery and putting limits on slavery for the first time, demanding slaves for the first time be allowed to go free after 7 years and even have a day of rest, something unheard of in the ancient world.

Then the Left turns right around and focuses on slavery in the US that happened hundreds of years ago, for which we cannot do anything about, as they ignore slavery in the world today that is at levels higher than at any other time in human history, just to virtue signal and get votes.

Disgusting.

They build nothing. They only manipulate, infiltrate, then tear down. That is it. They have no solution - because they are the problem.

 

[alang1216]

You dont have to be taught putting people in ovens and gas chambers because of who they are is wrong. I get to judge

The Israelites put all the men, women, children, and animals to the sword in Jericho by God's command. How do you judge him?

 

[alang1216]

It is amusing to me to watch the Left decry that everything is relative, no good or evil or real truth, then turn right around and watch them tear down statues of the Founding Fathers for being racist slave owners, while ignoring that their ideology of Marxism, was based on a person who as an ardent racist himself and antisemite.

Hilarious.

There are no major public statues of Karl Marx in the United States. The FFs were like everyone else, including Marx, were people of their time and place.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

OhPleaseJustQuit , I know you like to give negative reactions to nearly every single one of my posts, day in and day out. (I can always expect to see negative reactions from you whenever I come here) But you almost never back yourself up or engage in discussion. If you disagree with me, that's OK. But instead of giving a laughie reaction (especially to a civil post) why don't you back yourself up with actual arguments, and show why you think I'm wrong?

Thanks.

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You're very welcome.





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[midcan5]

Why do you apologists for Trump have to castigate the so called 'left'? The word is a pejorative in your world and an example of labeling which leads nowhere good. An objective good would be making sure people in need eat. Seems kinda simple. One can create all sort of imaginary examples but think of one or two real examples. Is it ok to break up families and hurt children as Trump has done? Or blow up boats without knowing who they are even? Your moral compass is missing. Apologies for evil are too easy for some.

100 Days of War on Children

A timeline of the Trump Administration's attacks on the nation's kids Candidate Trump promised to keep the U.S. out of new wars. But during his first 100

firstfocus.org

 

[mac allen]

Truth, by definition, is objective.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Why do you apologists for Trump have to castigate the so called 'left'?

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Because the left are a sick cult that need to be treated before they completely destroy themselves and as many of the rest of the world they can manage to take to hell with them..

Psychotherapist says 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' is real pathology, plaguing 75 percent of his patients

Psychotherapist Jonathan Alpert described Trump Derangement Syndrome as a profound pathology causing sleepless nights, compulsive news checking and emotional distress in his patients.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Chuz Life]

Is there objective truth? Is there Objective evil and good?​

 

[Chuz Life]

Why do you apologists for Trump have to castigate the so called 'left'? The word is a pejorative in your world and an example of labeling which leads nowhere good. An objective good would be making sure people in need eat. Seems kinda simple. One can create all sort of imaginary examples but think of one or two real examples. Is it ok to break up families and hurt children as Trump has done? Or blow up boats without knowing who they are even? Your moral compass is missing. Apologies for evil are too easy for some.

100 Days of War on Children

A timeline of the Trump Administration's attacks on the nation's kids Candidate Trump promised to keep the U.S. out of new wars. But during his first 100

firstfocus.org

Abortion proponent^^^

Right?

 

[toobfreak]

Is there objective truth? Is there Objective evil and good? Yes.​

Of course there is.

There HAS to be objective truth.

Truth is absolute. And the Absolute Truth and Good is God because God cannot be subjective or he really is not God.

 

[Nobody911]

If Trump only cares about his family and allies, the Republican Party could risk losing again in the next election.

Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam share several similarities regarding concepts of good and evil, despite their differing theological frameworks. Here’s a concise list highlighting these similarities:

1. Moral Conduct: All three religions emphasize the importance of ethical behavior. Good actions are encouraged, promoting virtues such as compassion, honesty, and justice.
2. Community and Social Responsibility: Each faith advocates for caring for others and contributing to the well-being of the community, fostering an environment of support and mutual respect.
3. Consequences of Actions: They all recognize that actions have consequences. In Buddhism, this is articulated through karma; in Christianity and Islam, good deeds lead to divine favor, while evil actions can result in spiritual consequences.
4. Ultimate Good: Each tradition identifies a supreme good or ultimate state of being—Nirvana in Buddhism, communion with God in Christianity, and paradise in Islam—toward which followers are encouraged to strive.
5. Struggle Against Evil: All three religions address the existence of evil and moral struggle, emphasizing the need for followers to resist negative impulses and temptations.
6. Repentance and Redemption: They offer pathways for redemption. Buddhism promotes mindfulness and overcoming ignorance; Christianity emphasizes repentance and forgiveness; Islam stresses repentance and the mercy of Allah.

These similarities indicate a shared human concern with morality and the nature of good and evil across diverse spiritual traditions.

People who identify as non-religious or lack faith in organized religions often share several similarities concerning their perspectives on good and evil.

1. Moral Frameworks: Many non-religious individuals derive their moral values from secular philosophies, such as humanism, utilitarianism, or rationalism. They often prioritize empathy, reason, and the well-being of others as guiding principles for distinguishing good from evil.

2. Critical Thinking: Non-religious individuals frequently emphasize critical thinking and skepticism. They may evaluate moral questions through evidence, logic, and the consequences of actions, rather than relying on dogma or tradition.
3. Universal Ethics: A tendency towards universal ethical standards can be observed, with many believing in the intrinsic value of human rights and equality. This perspective often promotes social justice and altruism, emphasizing compassion irrespective of religious affiliation.
4. Pluralism and Inclusivity: Non-religious individuals may be more inclined to embrace pluralism, recognizing the validity of diverse beliefs and practices. They often advocate for dialogue and coexistence, valuing moral diversity.
5. Personal Responsibility: A strong sense of personal responsibility for one’s actions is common. Without religious frameworks, individuals often see themselves as the architects of their moral decisions, accountable for their choices.

In sum, non-religious individuals often cultivate a moral compass grounded in empathy, reason, and shared human experiences, reflecting a nuanced understanding of good and evil beyond religious constructs.

Defining good and evil in terms of Trumpism can be subjective and highly polarized. Here’s a list that reflects common perspectives:

Good (Supporters' Perspective):
1. Nationalism: Emphasis on prioritizing American interests and sovereignty.
2. Economic Growth: Tax cuts and deregulation aimed at stimulating the economy and job creation.
3. Judicial Appointments: Selection of conservative judges reflecting traditional values.
4. Immigration Reform: Stronger border policies aimed at enhancing security.
5. America First Policies: Focus on renegotiating trade deals to benefit American workers.
6. Law and Order: Advocacy for police and public safety.
7. Direct Communication: Use of social media to communicate directly with supporters.

Evil (Critics' Perspective):
1. Division: Fostering polarization and tribalism within the political landscape.
2. Disinformation: Spread of false narratives and undermining trust in media and institutions.
3. Racism and Xenophobia: Accusations of promoting discriminatory rhetoric and policies.
4. Authoritarian Tendencies: Concerns over undermining democratic norms and checks and balances.
5. Environmental Neglect: Withdrawal from international agreements like the Paris Accord.
6. Anti-Establishment Sentiment: Erosion of respect for institutions, leading to instability.
7. Violence Encouragement: Incitement of violence, especially during events like the Capitol riot.

These perspectives illustrate the complex and often contentious nature of evaluating Trumpism through moral lenses.

 

[Crepitus]

Most everyone on the Left would scream, "No!"...........until they get to Hitler or maybe even Trump. Then they have a serious problem.

Hilter is a problem because he is the universal symbol of evil that no one of any credibility really exists as representing evil.

And Trump is a problem because the Left must destroy him by turning him into the universal symbol of evil everyone has already accepted as being evil.

To answer your title, yes there is objective truth. That is something that is true for everyone, like saying "gravity makes water flow downhill".

There is no objective good or evil becuase those things, unlike something like gravity, are entirely subjective.

Your OP seems to start in the middle of some argument you were already having, but is just an attack on Democrats.