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People who have come to the LORD for help> Changed - #ONCEGAY STORIES

Oh Bejeezus, gay conversion therapy.

Where's the therapy for ADULTERERS?

I mean, you people voted for a THREE TIMES ADULTERER, the Bible says STONE HIM TO DEATH. Oh, conveniently you ignored that, but you'd never vote for a gay guy because.... the Bible says so.

Hypocrites.
Yes it's the SAME process.
frigidweirdo

I had a friend, we only met and exchanged msgs and emails online,
who came out Transgender after going through forgiveness and their own spiritual process.

Two of my friends, one atheist and the other adverse to Christians and more secular humanist,
went through spiritual healing to get rid of addictions that did cause them to act out in
sexual relations that were all heterosexual, but abusive/destructive to themselves and others.
You can call this adultery, fornication, sexual abuse or relationship abuse.
(One friend got into a fight where he did kill in self defense; the other did admit
to having sex with committed partners of other people, whether wives or girlfriends, but still adulterous.)

Both recovered from their addictive and abusive pasts, by forgiving the root causes of these patterns
using the spiritual healing process. The same one.

The process does not determine or dictate the outcome.

The person agrees to receive forgiveness and healing of all past issues, injuries, abuses or obstructions
to healing that are removed by prayer in Christ Jesus.
After the obstructions are removed, this restores the NATURAL mind/body self-healing process,
or in some cases, boosts the natural process with collective prayers and concentrated healing energy.

Whatever the outcome is depends on the person's spiritual path in life.

This process is the same one used to heal people of cancer, of mental or criminal
illness from Schizophrenia to some cases of Pedophilia that can be healed (while
most are so severe the rate of relapse can make it incureable as a chronic or terminal condition).

As with Cancer, we cannot guarantee all cases can be treated, contained or cured.
However, the EARLIER the intervention in stages before conditions become too engrained,
the better chances of healing and recovery.

You literally make people go against their nature in order to justify your religion. Bizarre.

In a world with too many humans, why do you care?
Nope, frigidweirdo You must be talking about something else, some other version of some religious ritual.

The only way true spiritual healing works is letting go and forgiving past conditions , so that the person comes out with their natural way of being.

A person who is naturally transgender will come out as that when they receive healing.

A person who is naturally heterosexual, or as you also asked, naturally monogamous will come out as that.

You cannot come out as anything other than what you naturally are, or that isn't spiritual healing but manipulation.

You are correct in rejecting anything that is coercing or brainwashing people unnaturally trying to reprogram them to be something else they are not. That is dangerous abuse and malpractice to force re education, similar to forcing lefthanders to be righthanders.

True spiritual healing is about restoring someone to their natural default self.

I guess that is why people do not understand or believe it at first. We are used to people pushing agenda and forcing or pressuring people to fit a preconceived social norm. That isn't how spiritual healing works: nobody dictates the outcome, but the goal of the process is to be healed of any past conflicts or conditions, and return to the natural default state of perfect peace health and harmony in mind and body and relations with others. Whatever that state of health and peace turns out to be.

That is not what most people think the process is about.

Whatever negative imposition, coercion or manipulation you had in mind, I agree that is abusive and harmful and should be rejected.

The spiritual healing I refer to is the opposite of that. It is purely positive, voluntary, natural, free and unconditional. It does not force or dictate any fixed outcome, only opens the mind and body to receive healing by removing negative conditioning and obstructions. After removing those mental and physical blocks to healing, the mind and body heal themselves. So the person returns to their natural state, free of conflicting or stressful conditions, restoring a fuller healthy mind body connection.

I'm struggling to pick out your point from this. Or points. If there are any.

Perhaps you could be more concise
 

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People who have come to the LORD for help> Changed - #ONCEGAY STORIES

Oh Bejeezus, gay conversion therapy.

Where's the therapy for ADULTERERS?

I mean, you people voted for a THREE TIMES ADULTERER, the Bible says STONE HIM TO DEATH. Oh, conveniently you ignored that, but you'd never vote for a gay guy because.... the Bible says so.

Hypocrites.
Yes it's the SAME process.
frigidweirdo

I had a friend, we only met and exchanged msgs and emails online,
who came out Transgender after going through forgiveness and their own spiritual process.

Two of my friends, one atheist and the other adverse to Christians and more secular humanist,
went through spiritual healing to get rid of addictions that did cause them to act out in
sexual relations that were all heterosexual, but abusive/destructive to themselves and others.
You can call this adultery, fornication, sexual abuse or relationship abuse.
(One friend got into a fight where he did kill in self defense; the other did admit
to having sex with committed partners of other people, whether wives or girlfriends, but still adulterous.)

Both recovered from their addictive and abusive pasts, by forgiving the root causes of these patterns
using the spiritual healing process. The same one.

The process does not determine or dictate the outcome.

The person agrees to receive forgiveness and healing of all past issues, injuries, abuses or obstructions
to healing that are removed by prayer in Christ Jesus.
After the obstructions are removed, this restores the NATURAL mind/body self-healing process,
or in some cases, boosts the natural process with collective prayers and concentrated healing energy.

Whatever the outcome is depends on the person's spiritual path in life.

This process is the same one used to heal people of cancer, of mental or criminal
illness from Schizophrenia to some cases of Pedophilia that can be healed (while
most are so severe the rate of relapse can make it incureable as a chronic or terminal condition).

As with Cancer, we cannot guarantee all cases can be treated, contained or cured.
However, the EARLIER the intervention in stages before conditions become too engrained,
the better chances of healing and recovery.

You literally make people go against their nature in order to justify your religion. Bizarre.

In a world with too many humans, why do you care?
Nope, frigidweirdo You must be talking about something else, some other version of some religious ritual.

The only way true spiritual healing works is letting go and forgiving past conditions , so that the person comes out with their natural way of being.

A person who is naturally transgender will come out as that when they receive healing.

A person who is naturally heterosexual, or as you also asked, naturally monogamous will come out as that.

You cannot come out as anything other than what you naturally are, or that isn't spiritual healing but manipulation.

You are correct in rejecting anything that is coercing or brainwashing people unnaturally trying to reprogram them to be something else they are not. That is dangerous abuse and malpractice to force re education, similar to forcing lefthanders to be righthanders.

True spiritual healing is about restoring someone to their natural default self.

I guess that is why people do not understand or believe it at first. We are used to people pushing agenda and forcing or pressuring people to fit a preconceived social norm. That isn't how spiritual healing works: nobody dictates the outcome, but the goal of the process is to be healed of any past conflicts or conditions, and return to the natural default state of perfect peace health and harmony in mind and body and relations with others. Whatever that state of health and peace turns out to be.

That is not what most people think the process is about.

Whatever negative imposition, coercion or manipulation you had in mind, I agree that is abusive and harmful and should be rejected.

The spiritual healing I refer to is the opposite of that. It is purely positive, voluntary, natural, free and unconditional. It does not force or dictate any fixed outcome, only opens the mind and body to receive healing by removing negative conditioning and obstructions. After removing those mental and physical blocks to healing, the mind and body heal themselves. So the person returns to their natural state, free of conflicting or stressful conditions, restoring a fuller healthy mind body connection.

I'm struggling to pick out your point from this. Or points. If there are any.

Perhaps you could be more concise
Key points:
You keep citing objections to things like
X. this only applies to changing or healing homosexuals/LGBT but not adultery or other sexual problems in general that are more prevalent
Y. This process is forcing an agenda on others

I am saying neither X or Y applies or describes true Spiritual Healing I am talking about because
A. This healing process also addresses and can cure the causes of all the other cases of sexual abuse, adultery, etc.
Whatever exceptions you took, protesting why not address and cure X Y Z? All those other conditions can be equally addressed, corrected, prevented, reduced or cured using the SAME Spiritual Healing process that is natural and universal.

It DOES NOT apply "only to LGBT".

B. Also it does NOT work by
Coercion
Dictating a certain outcome or result
Forcing an agenda

Spiritual healing focuses on forgiving removing and healing any unnatural or unresolved conflict or condition in someone's past, so once this barrier is removed they restore their natural mind body connection that is designed for self healing.

The point is to restore or boost the person's natural energy and connection with mind and body which also helps heal relations around that person.

Whatever outcome results from healing is not something we dictate. It is whatever their natural state would be, once the unnatural unwanted conflicts and emotions are removed.
Whatever is the person's natural default state or self is restored.

Is that more clear?

You made at least 2 objections,
so I was explaining that isn't how spiritual healing works anyway.

I was explaining how the process DOES NOT involve those things you object to.
 

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I believe that everyone has some sort of an agenda in life. Some are self servicing and others maybe self sacrificing. Do we really want government to direct our goals for ourselves and society?

Well, yes, everyone has an agenda. Some have an agenda and others have a counter agenda. The whole LGBT thing is a counter agenda.

In 1776 the US was created, the Bill of Rights was a counter agenda to what the English king had imposed on the US. "All men are created equal". The LGBT agenda isn't any different to what the Founding Fathers (or some of them) wanted.
How are all men created equal? Are we all rich? NO! Are we all beautiful? No! Are we all intelligent? No! Are we all eloquent? No! Are we all talented? No! Are we all just as healthy? No! Do we all live to be very old? No! So, is what way are we all equal??? The Bible says, "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD. We ALL like sheep have gone astray? GOD sees us ALL as sinners. Unless one places his trust in the LORD for his salvation he is lost. This and only this is what the Founding Fathers concluded is the one thing which we ALL share. We are all in need of the saving grace of ALMIGHTY GOD. And no government should ever stand in the way of one seeking after GOD!

The reality of "all men are created equal" isn't about beauty, strength or intelligence, it's about being equal under the law.

Everyone has an equal vote (never happened in the US), everyone gets equal justices (doesn't seem to happen in the US) etc
The LAW of GOD trumps the man made laws. Thou shalt not murder. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife or possessions. Thou shalt honor thy parents. Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself...

Well, it doesn't, does it?

Because whatever "The LAW of GOD" is, it's still a human concept and it's still imposed on people by humans.

But then again we're not talking about that. We're talking about the CONSTITUTION. Let's not go off on random tangents, hey?


The Law of God comes from Almighty God, not from humans.

And as far as the Constitution is concerned, America was founded as "one nation UNDER GOD" as acknowledged by America's official Pledge of Allegiance. BTW, the Pledge was adopted with its official "Under God" verbiage by a unanimous, bipartisan majority.

Well, you can try proving that. But you won't be able to. So......

The US was founded as a non-religious country where people were free to worship any religion they liked, or none at all.

The reason it has some semblance of God in it, is because of humans.

Humans put it all in place. Not God or gods.
Dear frigidweirdo
Yes and No.
The EXPRESSION of laws and terms used is relative to man.

But the underlying principles come from a universal source not created or made up by man.

Did we create the Golden Rule of Reciprocity, or just teach this in our own ways and words?

All people I know naturally respond to each other "in reaction" to how others treat us.

If someone attacks us, we go into defensive mode. All people do this by nature.

So what it means for laws to come from "God" is that laws that govern humans come from our common "Nature."

Then from there, you are right, that the EXPRESSION of these universal laws of human nature, conscience and relations are manmade and relative, whether using Christian, Buddhist or Constitutional terms to DESCRIBE universal laws that man did NOT create. We just discovered them similar to discovering laws of gravity or physics we didn't make up either. These laws already exist as part of Nature.

We use written words and expressions to communicate regarding physical science or social laws in order to resolve conflicts and agree on policies.

Christians use Christian laws to communicate with fellow Christians and agree on corrections and decisions.

Constitutionalists use Constitutional language to agree what is right or wrong with public policy and govt, what needs reform and why, and what are the best solutions to solve problems or abuses of govt.

Whatever language people respond to, it makes sense to use what works most effectively, so this is relative to the audience.

I find Constitutional terms and principles to be very effective in explaining and enforcing the importance of freedom of speech, press, religious or political beliefs, and due process protections so that all people are defended included and represented equally in the democratic process of self govt.

If you relate better to different terms that mean the same to you, when communicating with you, it only makes sense to use common terms you would use.

Most people I interact with tend to respond to either Constitutional or Christian terms. My mother and friends who are nontheist and secular may respond to Buddhist, psychological or scientific terms for problem solving.

This does not negate the concept of pre existing laws built into our Nature by default.

You can call it science or Nature. But if people personify Nature as Mother Nature or Heavenly Father, we are still talking about the Forces of Nature and Universal Laws in Life as the Source.

We still acknowledge there is a greater source of Laws and Truth we do not control or make up. We only invent the words and cultural ways of expression, so I agree with you that part is relative to man and doesn't work or speak to all people.
 

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Oh Bejeezus, gay conversion therapy.

Where's the therapy for ADULTERERS?

I mean, you people voted for a THREE TIMES ADULTERER, the Bible says STONE HIM TO DEATH. Oh, conveniently you ignored that, but you'd never vote for a gay guy because.... the Bible says so.

Hypocrites.
Yes it's the SAME process.
frigidweirdo

I had a friend, we only met and exchanged msgs and emails online,
who came out Transgender after going through forgiveness and their own spiritual process.

Two of my friends, one atheist and the other adverse to Christians and more secular humanist,
went through spiritual healing to get rid of addictions that did cause them to act out in
sexual relations that were all heterosexual, but abusive/destructive to themselves and others.
You can call this adultery, fornication, sexual abuse or relationship abuse.
(One friend got into a fight where he did kill in self defense; the other did admit
to having sex with committed partners of other people, whether wives or girlfriends, but still adulterous.)

Both recovered from their addictive and abusive pasts, by forgiving the root causes of these patterns
using the spiritual healing process. The same one.

The process does not determine or dictate the outcome.

The person agrees to receive forgiveness and healing of all past issues, injuries, abuses or obstructions
to healing that are removed by prayer in Christ Jesus.
After the obstructions are removed, this restores the NATURAL mind/body self-healing process,
or in some cases, boosts the natural process with collective prayers and concentrated healing energy.

Whatever the outcome is depends on the person's spiritual path in life.

This process is the same one used to heal people of cancer, of mental or criminal
illness from Schizophrenia to some cases of Pedophilia that can be healed (while
most are so severe the rate of relapse can make it incureable as a chronic or terminal condition).

As with Cancer, we cannot guarantee all cases can be treated, contained or cured.
However, the EARLIER the intervention in stages before conditions become too engrained,
the better chances of healing and recovery.

You literally make people go against their nature in order to justify your religion. Bizarre.

In a world with too many humans, why do you care?
Nope, frigidweirdo You must be talking about something else, some other version of some religious ritual.

The only way true spiritual healing works is letting go and forgiving past conditions , so that the person comes out with their natural way of being.

A person who is naturally transgender will come out as that when they receive healing.

A person who is naturally heterosexual, or as you also asked, naturally monogamous will come out as that.

You cannot come out as anything other than what you naturally are, or that isn't spiritual healing but manipulation.

You are correct in rejecting anything that is coercing or brainwashing people unnaturally trying to reprogram them to be something else they are not. That is dangerous abuse and malpractice to force re education, similar to forcing lefthanders to be righthanders.

True spiritual healing is about restoring someone to their natural default self.

I guess that is why people do not understand or believe it at first. We are used to people pushing agenda and forcing or pressuring people to fit a preconceived social norm. That isn't how spiritual healing works: nobody dictates the outcome, but the goal of the process is to be healed of any past conflicts or conditions, and return to the natural default state of perfect peace health and harmony in mind and body and relations with others. Whatever that state of health and peace turns out to be.

That is not what most people think the process is about.

Whatever negative imposition, coercion or manipulation you had in mind, I agree that is abusive and harmful and should be rejected.

The spiritual healing I refer to is the opposite of that. It is purely positive, voluntary, natural, free and unconditional. It does not force or dictate any fixed outcome, only opens the mind and body to receive healing by removing negative conditioning and obstructions. After removing those mental and physical blocks to healing, the mind and body heal themselves. So the person returns to their natural state, free of conflicting or stressful conditions, restoring a fuller healthy mind body connection.

I'm struggling to pick out your point from this. Or points. If there are any.

Perhaps you could be more concise
Key points:
You keep citing objections to things like
X. this only applies to changing or healing homosexuals/LGBT but not adultery or other sexual problems in general that are more prevalent
Y. This process is forcing an agenda on others

I am saying neither X or Y applies or describes true Spiritual Healing I am talking about because
A. This healing process also addresses and can cure the causes of all the other cases of sexual abuse, adultery, etc.
Whatever exceptions you took, protesting why not address and cure X Y Z? All those other conditions can be equally addressed, corrected, prevented, reduced or cured using the SAME Spiritual Healing process that is natural and universal.

It DOES NOT apply "only to LGBT".

B. Also it does NOT work by
Coercion
Dictating a certain outcome or result
Forcing an agenda

Spiritual healing focuses on forgiving removing and healing any unnatural or unresolved conflict or condition in someone's past, so once this barrier is removed they restore their natural mind body connection that is designed for self healing.

The point is to restore or boost the person's natural energy and connection with mind and body which also helps heal relations around that person.

Whatever outcome results from healing is not something we dictate. It is whatever their natural state would be, once the unnatural unwanted conflicts and emotions are removed.
Whatever is the person's natural default state or self is restored.

Is that more clear?

You made at least 2 objections,
so I was explaining that isn't how spiritual healing works anyway.

I was explaining how the process DOES NOT involve those things you object to.

No, it's not more clear.

You keep talking abut spiritual healing. Natural energy etc.

I think we're just on completely different pages.
 

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People who have come to the LORD for help> Changed - #ONCEGAY STORIES

Oh Bejeezus, gay conversion therapy.

Where's the therapy for ADULTERERS?

I mean, you people voted for a THREE TIMES ADULTERER, the Bible says STONE HIM TO DEATH. Oh, conveniently you ignored that, but you'd never vote for a gay guy because.... the Bible says so.

Hypocrites.
Yes it's the SAME process.
frigidweirdo

I had a friend, we only met and exchanged msgs and emails online,
who came out Transgender after going through forgiveness and their own spiritual process.

Two of my friends, one atheist and the other adverse to Christians and more secular humanist,
went through spiritual healing to get rid of addictions that did cause them to act out in
sexual relations that were all heterosexual, but abusive/destructive to themselves and others.
You can call this adultery, fornication, sexual abuse or relationship abuse.
(One friend got into a fight where he did kill in self defense; the other did admit
to having sex with committed partners of other people, whether wives or girlfriends, but still adulterous.)

Both recovered from their addictive and abusive pasts, by forgiving the root causes of these patterns
using the spiritual healing process. The same one.

The process does not determine or dictate the outcome.

The person agrees to receive forgiveness and healing of all past issues, injuries, abuses or obstructions
to healing that are removed by prayer in Christ Jesus.
After the obstructions are removed, this restores the NATURAL mind/body self-healing process,
or in some cases, boosts the natural process with collective prayers and concentrated healing energy.

Whatever the outcome is depends on the person's spiritual path in life.

This process is the same one used to heal people of cancer, of mental or criminal
illness from Schizophrenia to some cases of Pedophilia that can be healed (while
most are so severe the rate of relapse can make it incureable as a chronic or terminal condition).

As with Cancer, we cannot guarantee all cases can be treated, contained or cured.
However, the EARLIER the intervention in stages before conditions become too engrained,
the better chances of healing and recovery.

You literally make people go against their nature in order to justify your religion. Bizarre.

In a world with too many humans, why do you care?
Nope, frigidweirdo You must be talking about something else, some other version of some religious ritual.

The only way true spiritual healing works is letting go and forgiving past conditions , so that the person comes out with their natural way of being.

A person who is naturally transgender will come out as that when they receive healing.

A person who is naturally heterosexual, or as you also asked, naturally monogamous will come out as that.

You cannot come out as anything other than what you naturally are, or that isn't spiritual healing but manipulation.

You are correct in rejecting anything that is coercing or brainwashing people unnaturally trying to reprogram them to be something else they are not. That is dangerous abuse and malpractice to force re education, similar to forcing lefthanders to be righthanders.

True spiritual healing is about restoring someone to their natural default self.

I guess that is why people do not understand or believe it at first. We are used to people pushing agenda and forcing or pressuring people to fit a preconceived social norm. That isn't how spiritual healing works: nobody dictates the outcome, but the goal of the process is to be healed of any past conflicts or conditions, and return to the natural default state of perfect peace health and harmony in mind and body and relations with others. Whatever that state of health and peace turns out to be.

That is not what most people think the process is about.

Whatever negative imposition, coercion or manipulation you had in mind, I agree that is abusive and harmful and should be rejected.

The spiritual healing I refer to is the opposite of that. It is purely positive, voluntary, natural, free and unconditional. It does not force or dictate any fixed outcome, only opens the mind and body to receive healing by removing negative conditioning and obstructions. After removing those mental and physical blocks to healing, the mind and body heal themselves. So the person returns to their natural state, free of conflicting or stressful conditions, restoring a fuller healthy mind body connection.

I'm struggling to pick out your point from this. Or points. If there are any.

Perhaps you could be more concise
Key points:
You keep citing objections to things like
X. this only applies to changing or healing homosexuals/LGBT but not adultery or other sexual problems in general that are more prevalent
Y. This process is forcing an agenda on others

I am saying neither X or Y applies or describes true Spiritual Healing I am talking about because
A. This healing process also addresses and can cure the causes of all the other cases of sexual abuse, adultery, etc.
Whatever exceptions you took, protesting why not address and cure X Y Z? All those other conditions can be equally addressed, corrected, prevented, reduced or cured using the SAME Spiritual Healing process that is natural and universal.

It DOES NOT apply "only to LGBT".

B. Also it does NOT work by
Coercion
Dictating a certain outcome or result
Forcing an agenda

Spiritual healing focuses on forgiving removing and healing any unnatural or unresolved conflict or condition in someone's past, so once this barrier is removed they restore their natural mind body connection that is designed for self healing.

The point is to restore or boost the person's natural energy and connection with mind and body which also helps heal relations around that person.

Whatever outcome results from healing is not something we dictate. It is whatever their natural state would be, once the unnatural unwanted conflicts and emotions are removed.
Whatever is the person's natural default state or self is restored.

Is that more clear?

You made at least 2 objections,
so I was explaining that isn't how spiritual healing works anyway.

I was explaining how the process DOES NOT involve those things you object to.

No, it's not more clear.

You keep talking abut spiritual healing. Natural energy etc.

I think we're just on completely different pages.
frigidweirdo
1Q. You asked where is the therapy for adulterers
1A. I answered the same therapy works for both. The same healing process that allows unwanted LGBT orientation to return to the person's natural default self IS the same healing process used to heal adulterers of the causes and consequences of sexual abuse and relationship abuse

2Q. You protested pushing religious agenda on others

2A. I also oppose any such coercion which isn't how spiritual healing works. It only works by free choice and willful participation. It makes no sense and does not work to force anything on anyone because this always fails.

Yes, when you said this natural healing is a totally different thing, that is my point.

The process of reparative therapy is NOT ABOUT forcing beliefs or agenda on anyone.

So what you are protesting and opposed to has nothing to do with the real spiritual process that works to heal people of sexual abuse or other past issues or conditions so they can be healed of unwanted LGBT attractions, or adultery, or any number of unwelcome unwanted and unnatural conditions they voluntarily agree to resolve and heal from.
 

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