Is the US above the law ?

[Tommy Tainant]

John Bolton to castigate ICC in Washington speech

The US national security adviser, John Bolton, will adopt an aggressive posture against the international criminal court (ICC), threatening sanctions against its judges if they proceed with an investigation into alleged war crimes committed by Americans in Afghanistan.

Bolton is to make the announcement to the Federalist Society, a conservative group, in Washington on Monday. It will be his first major address since joining Donald’s Trump White House.

“The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court,” Bolton will say, according to a draft of his speech.

I dont think it is appropriate that only one side is brought to justice. Does the US have a process for dealing with its soldiers who commit atrocities ?

The ICC does what we tell them to do or else........ Not quite but yeah that's our attitude. When The ICC decides to use our system of law to judge us and ours (on US territory) then we'll take them seriously until then we have the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) to deal criminal acts our soldiers may commit.
Having said that how many British soldiers (American and Soviet for that matter) were brought to trial for atrocities committed during WWII........? Based on today's European standards half of all the allied armies in WWII should be sitting in jail.......

The winners never seem to be held to account. Having said that the Bloody Sunday enquiry is a step forward.

Guess what, life's inherently unfair...... Get over it.......

Is that a part of your constitution ?

 

[Ringel05]

John Bolton to castigate ICC in Washington speech

The US national security adviser, John Bolton, will adopt an aggressive posture against the international criminal court (ICC), threatening sanctions against its judges if they proceed with an investigation into alleged war crimes committed by Americans in Afghanistan.

Bolton is to make the announcement to the Federalist Society, a conservative group, in Washington on Monday. It will be his first major address since joining Donald’s Trump White House.

“The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court,” Bolton will say, according to a draft of his speech.

I dont think it is appropriate that only one side is brought to justice. Does the US have a process for dealing with its soldiers who commit atrocities ?

The ICC does what we tell them to do or else........ Not quite but yeah that's our attitude. When The ICC decides to use our system of law to judge us and ours (on US territory) then we'll take them seriously until then we have the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) to deal criminal acts our soldiers may commit.
Having said that how many British soldiers (American and Soviet for that matter) were brought to trial for atrocities committed during WWII........? Based on today's European standards half of all the allied armies in WWII should be sitting in jail.......

The winners never seem to be held to account. Having said that the Bloody Sunday enquiry is a step forward.

Guess what, life's inherently unfair...... Get over it.......

Is that a part of your constitution ?

Nope, it's part of a thing called reality though I doubt you've ever heard of it.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What law are we discussing?

 

[irosie91]

Is the US above the law ?

Yes, we certainly have the history that demonstrates that we believe we are.

The March, 2003 G. W. Bush Iraq War is likely the perfect example but there are other examples.

I think that this is a good example.
My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia
500 civilian casualties and just one conviction.
Hmmmmm.

good example----a conviction and a massive scandal and years of
both military and civilian reflection. So unlike the baasthist and arabist approach of LIFE TIME MONETARY REWARDS and forever
social ELEVATION FOR THE FAMILY OF THE MURDERER----and Jannah for all involved

 

[irosie91]

What law are we discussing?

freud's------DA SUPER EGO

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Is the US above the law ?

Yes, we certainly have the history that demonstrates that we believe we are.

The March, 2003 G. W. Bush Iraq War is likely the perfect example but there are other examples.

I think that this is a good example.
My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia
500 civilian casualties and just one conviction.
Hmmmmm.

-------------------------------------- looks like only ONE could be PROVED to have done anything wrong Tommy . [ i didn't look at link]

Well they reduced his sentence when the show had moved on. The US endorsed the massacre.

------------------------------ like i said , with 'mai lai' it looks like only one guy was PROVED to have done anything wrong , i guess Tommy .

Its a good illustration of why there is a need for an International Court.

 

[irosie91]

Is the US above the law ?

Yes, we certainly have the history that demonstrates that we believe we are.

The March, 2003 G. W. Bush Iraq War is likely the perfect example but there are other examples.

I think that this is a good example.
My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia
500 civilian casualties and just one conviction.
Hmmmmm.

-------------------------------------- looks like only ONE could be PROVED to have done anything wrong Tommy . [ i didn't look at link]

Well they reduced his sentence when the show had moved on. The US endorsed the massacre.

------------------------------ like i said , with 'mai lai' it looks like only one guy was PROVED to have done anything wrong , i guess Tommy .

Its a good illustration of why there is a need for an International Court.

The US did not endorse the massacre----it was an aberration ----but it did take place in the midst of WAR -----all out hell like war for both sides

 

[mudwhistle]

Is the US above the law ?

Yes, we certainly have the history that demonstrates that we believe we are.

The March, 2003 G. W. Bush Iraq War is likely the perfect example but there are other examples.

I think that this is a good example.
My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia
500 civilian casualties and just one conviction.
Hmmmmm.

-------------------------------------- looks like only ONE could be PROVED to have done anything wrong Tommy . [ i didn't look at link]

Well they reduced his sentence when the show had moved on. The US endorsed the massacre.

------------------------------ like i said , with 'mai lai' it looks like only one guy was PROVED to have done anything wrong , i guess Tommy .

Its a good illustration of why there is a need for an International Court.

Somebody should have gone after Iran for attacking our embassy in Tehran. They also should have done something about Benghazi, but nu-uh. The Russians attacked our compound in Syria but we repelled them. They trying to do it again, but the International Court isn't raising it as an issue.

 

[pismoe]

Is the US above the law ?

Yes, we certainly have the history that demonstrates that we believe we are.

The March, 2003 G. W. Bush Iraq War is likely the perfect example but there are other examples.

I think that this is a good example.
My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia
500 civilian casualties and just one conviction.
Hmmmmm.

-------------------------------------- looks like only ONE could be PROVED to have done anything wrong Tommy . [ i didn't look at link]

Well they reduced his sentence when the show had moved on. The US endorsed the massacre.

------------------------------ like i said , with 'mai lai' it looks like only one guy was PROVED to have done anything wrong , i guess Tommy .

Its a good illustration of why there is a need for an International Court.

---------------------------------------- sure have your 'court' , wear some wigs and robes and monocles . Just so the USA tells it to get fecked there is no problem with you having and paying your widdle pretend 'court' Tommy .

 

[caddo kid]

I think that this is a good example.
My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia
500 civilian casualties and just one conviction.
Hmmmmm.

-------------------------------------- looks like only ONE could be PROVED to have done anything wrong Tommy . [ i didn't look at link]

Well they reduced his sentence when the show had moved on. The US endorsed the massacre.

------------------------------ like i said , with 'mai lai' it looks like only one guy was PROVED to have done anything wrong , i guess Tommy .

Its a good illustration of why there is a need for an International Court.

The US did not endorse the massacre----it was an aberration ----but it did take place in the midst of WAR -----all out hell like war for both sides

You, whoever the Hell you are, are f**ing ignorant, ill informed, and f**ing stupid.
Nearly 500 civilians, mostly women & children, were executed by US troops, compliments of US tax payer dollar$.
You should learn about something before you spew your s*** everywhere.
My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Obama committed War Crimes - he dragged the US into a 2nd Un-Constitutional Un-Authorized war by INVADING SYRIA.

Syria, in the middle of a civil war, never asked Obama for help and never gave him permission to send troops into his country. The Nobel Peace Prize Winner violated the Constitution - Specifically the War Powers A t - by by-passing Congress to send Troops into Syria, thus starting another war.

US troops are still there.

Ironic - Barry's anti-Colonialist father hated the US and wanted to see the US eliminated as a world power and world influence because of how the United States did EXACTLY what Barry did - invade another country with our provocation and occupy it

Barry wanted so much to be like his father that he changed his name; yet, by invading Syria Barry did what his father hated and opposed.

Way to go, Barry. You proved unworthy of a Nobel Peace Prize, violated the Constitution, committed a War Crime, and disappointed your father....all in one move.

I know. Where was the OP's tooth gnashing and hand wringing then.

 

[August West]

Law is a human concept and, thus, relative. Laws are made for those who can be made to conform. Who can force the U.S. to abide to anything it decides not to?

Nobody can force us to abide. We`re not a whole lot different than North Korea in a lot of ways.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Law is a human concept and, thus, relative. Laws are made for those who can be made to conform. Who can force the U.S. to abide to anything it decides not to?

Nobody can force us to abide. We`re not a whole lot different than North Korea in a lot of ways.

How so?

 

[pismoe]

-------------------------------------- looks like only ONE could be PROVED to have done anything wrong Tommy . [ i didn't look at link]

Well they reduced his sentence when the show had moved on. The US endorsed the massacre.

------------------------------ like i said , with 'mai lai' it looks like only one guy was PROVED to have done anything wrong , i guess Tommy .

Its a good illustration of why there is a need for an International Court.

The US did not endorse the massacre----it was an aberration ----but it did take place in the midst of WAR -----all out hell like war for both sides

You, whoever the Hell you are, are f**ing ignorant, ill informed, and f**ing stupid.
Nearly 500 civilians, mostly women & children, were executed by US troops, compliments of US tax payer dollar$.
You should learn about something before you spew your s*** everywhere.
My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia

---------------------------------------------------- according to Tommy , only ONE was found or PROVED guilty of doing anything wrong Cado .

 

[night_son]

John Bolton to castigate ICC in Washington speech

The US national security adviser, John Bolton, will adopt an aggressive posture against the international criminal court (ICC), threatening sanctions against its judges if they proceed with an investigation into alleged war crimes committed by Americans in Afghanistan.

Bolton is to make the announcement to the Federalist Society, a conservative group, in Washington on Monday. It will be his first major address since joining Donald’s Trump White House.

“The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court,” Bolton will say, according to a draft of his speech.

I dont think it is appropriate that only one side is brought to justice. Does the US have a process for dealing with its soldiers who commit atrocities ?

I read this article first thing this morning; frankly it makes me even prouder to be an American. We must not allow our own rule of law, Bill of Rights and Constitution and Military Justice System to be subject to the adjudication of international courts and laws. Never gonna happen sunshine; The birth and survival of the United States of America set many unique historical precedents in individual freedom, rule by and citizen equalization by law, all of which stood then as never before witnessed in history in defiance of Old World tyranny in the form of Monarchic Hegemony, the ancient European Feudal system, and the eternally born above the law European Nobility, and continue to stand now against external manipulation by their modern day equivalencies across the Atlantic.

While I realize this above the law in tone policy troubles you, Tommy, and can imagine why that is, America is a global lodestone of shining freedom, and the keystone in the arch of global civilization. She must not allow her policies to be judged, dictated or constrained from abroad, if she is to remain such a beacon for the rest of the world. If our American military justice system determines sufficient evidence of war crime, then under the UCMJ our courts and our courts alone must be the only authorities we allow to deliver justice in such cases.

Frankly, the thought of existing as a free man subject to the laws of other nations' cultures in a league of nations such as the EU, is quite disturbing to me.

A load of bs, rife with contradiction. A justification of moral degradation.

The US shows its ass to the world and proves without a doubt that the shining city on the hill is in need of a good cleaning.

And our "shining" City will prevail. This I guarantee. Life is contradiction. Protecting our own at all cost is justifiable behavior, primevally speaking. I'd rather hearts like yours bleed ill-conceived and naïve but understandable sympathy rather than real blood. The world at large outside our U.S. borders represents a controllable force of unnatural civilizational entropy; not so dynamic, really. We will do what we must, wherever we must, to protect our own. Should OCONUS ding dongs care to try our normative goodwill? For their sake I hope they've improved their reflexes, first. An apathetic world cannot be saved without great self-sacrifice. My future children will not be sacrificing themselves to save the rest of a world that wants its dogma of recursive descent into anti-civilization to prevail as global religion. Been there, done that--no thanks, thanks for all the fish.

 

[pismoe]

Law is a human concept and, thus, relative. Laws are made for those who can be made to conform. Who can force the U.S. to abide to anything it decides not to?

Nobody can force us to abide. We`re not a whole lot different than North Korea in a lot of ways.

----------------------------------------------------- But YES , there is NO power on earth that can Force the best country on the face of this earth the USA to Obey it and Thank God for that August ,

 

[pismoe]

hey '4eye' , thanks for taking notice with yer rating eh . I think that you are a 'subject' from a foreign country that can easily be pushed around by the 'ICC' aren't you '4eye' ??

 

[there4eyeM]

If the U.S. respected its own laws, no outside judgement would be necessary. The war crimes perpetrated in the name of America have always gone unpunished, even here. The moral compass of the nation is and has been askew.

 

[Tehon]

John Bolton to castigate ICC in Washington speech

The US national security adviser, John Bolton, will adopt an aggressive posture against the international criminal court (ICC), threatening sanctions against its judges if they proceed with an investigation into alleged war crimes committed by Americans in Afghanistan.

Bolton is to make the announcement to the Federalist Society, a conservative group, in Washington on Monday. It will be his first major address since joining Donald’s Trump White House.

“The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court,” Bolton will say, according to a draft of his speech.

I dont think it is appropriate that only one side is brought to justice. Does the US have a process for dealing with its soldiers who commit atrocities ?

I read this article first thing this morning; frankly it makes me even prouder to be an American. We must not allow our own rule of law, Bill of Rights and Constitution and Military Justice System to be subject to the adjudication of international courts and laws. Never gonna happen sunshine; The birth and survival of the United States of America set many unique historical precedents in individual freedom, rule by and citizen equalization by law, all of which stood then as never before witnessed in history in defiance of Old World tyranny in the form of Monarchic Hegemony, the ancient European Feudal system, and the eternally born above the law European Nobility, and continue to stand now against external manipulation by their modern day equivalencies across the Atlantic.

While I realize this above the law in tone policy troubles you, Tommy, and can imagine why that is, America is a global lodestone of shining freedom, and the keystone in the arch of global civilization. She must not allow her policies to be judged, dictated or constrained from abroad, if she is to remain such a beacon for the rest of the world. If our American military justice system determines sufficient evidence of war crime, then under the UCMJ our courts and our courts alone must be the only authorities we allow to deliver justice in such cases.

Frankly, the thought of existing as a free man subject to the laws of other nations' cultures in a league of nations such as the EU, is quite disturbing to me.

A load of bs, rife with contradiction. A justification of moral degradation.

The US shows its ass to the world and proves without a doubt that the shining city on the hill is in need of a good cleaning.

And our "shining" City will prevail. This I guarantee. Life is contradiction. Protecting our own at all cost is justifiable behavior, primevally speaking. I'd rather hearts like yours bleed ill-conceived and naïve but understandable sympathy rather than real blood. The world at large outside our U.S. borders represents a controllable force of unnatural civilizational entropy; not so dynamic, really. We will do what we must, wherever we must, to protect our own. Should OCONUS ding dongs care to try our normative goodwill? For their sake I hope they've improved their reflexes, first. An apathetic world cannot be saved without great self-sacrifice. My future children will not be sacrificing themselves to save the rest of a world that wants its dogma of recursive descent into anti-civilization to prevail as global religion. Been there, done that--no thanks, thanks for all the fish.

When American atrocities are indistinguishable from Taliban and ISIS atrocities it's a clear indication that the lights have gone out in the shining city.


The statements include accounts of alleged atrocities. not only by groups like the Taliban and the Isis, but also Afghan Security Forces and government-affiliated warlords, the US-led coalition, and foreign and domestic spy agencies, said Abdul Wadood Pedram of the Human Rights and Eradication of Violence Organisation.
1.17 million Afghans tell ICC they were victims of war crimes ?

Eventually the tyranny exerted abroad will turn inward. I would argue it has already started to happen.

 

[Wyatt earp]

John Bolton to castigate ICC in Washington speech

The US national security adviser, John Bolton, will adopt an aggressive posture against the international criminal court (ICC), threatening sanctions against its judges if they proceed with an investigation into alleged war crimes committed by Americans in Afghanistan.

Bolton is to make the announcement to the Federalist Society, a conservative group, in Washington on Monday. It will be his first major address since joining Donald’s Trump White House.

“The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court,” Bolton will say, according to a draft of his speech.

I dont think it is appropriate that only one side is brought to justice. Does the US have a process for dealing with its soldiers who commit atrocities ?

Does the US have a process for dealing with its soldiers who commit atrocities ?


Yes we do , don't you watch movies...