Is Putin bluffing about using nukes? Should NATO call his bluff? (POLL)

[CowboyTed]

1. Putin's ambitions can't be "proven". I think his ambitions took a kick in the ass after seeing how poorly his army and air force performed in Ukraine. But it is "well known" that he wants to restore as much of the old USSR that he can. Not my speculation, but the various talking heads' in the NSA and CIA.
2. After 30-years of independence is not time to re-define Russia's "sphere of influence". Russia is seeing how feeble they are on the world stage, their economy is a joke as well as their military. If China sides with Putin they will see just how much influence they have as well.
3. NATO will keep feeding the Ukrainians weapons until Putin's army evaporates. Russia was supposed to capture Ukraine in 3-days. They won't capture it ever. The Ruble is worthless, Putin is helpless, his best bet is to abscond with a few riches to China? Hong Kong?

1. Agree.

2. China used have better relationship with US than they had with Russia up till a few years ago... China generally likes making money and is interested in resources... They see Russia as a Kleptocracy full of thugs and gangsters. They like there Oil and Gas but at what price and do you trust the Russians...
China I think will stay out of this... They will not hinder or help Russia... It is the big question...

3. Agreed... Don't think Putin would be accepted in China... I say most likely is him being arrested or suddenly dying of natural causes..

 

[M14 Shooter]

Speaking of sock puppets

^^^
The irony.... it hurts...

 

[M14 Shooter]

Thanks JO! I understand that most are brainwashed into believing Nato is not an aggressor but they too must be able to at least self-consciously understand the truth.

This is where I ask you to demonstrate your claim that NATO is the aggressor on the Russia/UKrrain war to be true
You will respond by tucking your tail and running away.
As always.

 

[Donald H]

This is where I ask you to demonstrate your claim that NATO is the aggressor on the Russia/UKrrain war to be true
You will respond by tucking your tail and running away.
As always.

Here's the answer in language that's simple enough for even the gungoons to understand.

Joe Biden Could Have Prevented the War in Ukraine - Antiwar.com

One of the greatest tragedies as Russia continues its illegal assault on Ukraine and as Ukrainians continue to die is that it should never have happened. - Ted Snider for Antiwar.com

original.antiwar.com

You can assume that to be my basic position. (with possible qualifications)

 

[M14 Shooter]

Here's the answer in language that's simple enough for even the gungoons to understand.

Nothing in this opinion piece demonstrates you claims to be true.
Disagree?
Copy / paste text to that effect, show the facts claimed in same to be true, and then demonstrate how it proves NATO is the aggressor in the Russia / Ukraine war.
Or, you can tuck tail and run. As always.

 

[Donald H]

Nothing in this opinion piece demonstrates you claims to be true.
Disagree?

No, essentially I agree that nothing is proven in that piece and nothing is proven in any US opinion piece either. We're not talking about how guns kill thousands of American, which 'can' be proven.
Go play guns. You're of no more value to me.

(actually it is a US opinion piece)

 

[M14 Shooter]

No, essentially I agree that nothing is proven in that piece and nothing is proven in any US opinion piece either. We're not talking about how guns kill thousands of American, which 'can' be proven.
Go play guns. You're of no more value to me.

Tuck that tail tight now, as you run away.
Just as I said you would.
Because you always do.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

The Ukraine is Putin's ongoing war crime, and NATO is really doing nothing to slow his plodding military down.

There were items discussed, such as a NATO "no fly" zone over Ukraine.
Stoltenberg just said "NO", since that would start a war between NATO and Russia.

US generals suggested sending Ukraine some of our obsolete A-10 "Warthog" tank killers. They would make short work of Putin's tank columns.

Yesterday the Russian military fired into a Ukrainian nuclear powerplant. These idiots are playing "Russian Roulette" with a global disaster. Day after day more death and destruction.

Will there be a tipping point when NATO countries see so much death and destruction, such as public executions "Taliban Style" that NATO says, FU Vlad, we're kicking your ass out of Ukraine, and if you want to escalate to nuclear slap leather?

So the poll question basically says will Putin's war crimes ever be worth risking a nuclear war?? He's betting no.

Of course he's bluffing. He knows full well that his first use of a Nuke means his nation and everything he ever cared about including himself will be destroyed.

It's time to stop letting nuclear blackmail drive policy.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes that is precisely what they are doing in the Ukraine

No, the Ukraine is on their border, and is of vital strategic importance.
And the Ukraine is committing mass criminal acts, like stealing oil, murder thousands of ethnic Russians, violating treaties, trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, etc.
It is entirely the fault of the Ukraine that the fighting started, since they were the ones to break off negotiations.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No, the Ukraine is on their border, and is of vital strategic importance.
And the Ukraine is committing mass criminal acts, like stealing oil, murder thousands of ethnic Russians, violating treaties, trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, etc.
It is entirely the fault of the Ukraine that the fighting started, since they were the ones to break off negotiations.

Wrong.

We have been over that and you were proven wrong.

No one is gtrying to put nukes on Russia's border. Criminal acts such as murder is not the venue or business of Russia.

It is putin's fault and the Onua is on him. He is commiting a unilateral act of war.

 

[HappyJoy]

The Ukraine is Putin's ongoing war crime, and NATO is really doing nothing to slow his plodding military down.

That hasn't aged well.

 

[Rigby5]

Of course he's bluffing. He knows full well that his first use of a Nuke means his nation and everything he ever cared about including himself will be destroyed.

It's time to stop letting nuclear blackmail drive policy.

NO! Putin is NOT bluffing.
He has absolutely no choice on this.
If we keep murdering Russian by illegally arming them with javelins and stingers, then it will escalate to nuclear weapons.
What the Ukraine did was unforgivable.
Stealing oil was bad enough, but then to avoid paying back the $20 billion they stole, they want to put NATO nukes on Russia's border.
That has to be punished.
The US should join Russia and put economic sanctions in the Ukraine, not Russia.

But if it comes down to nuclear weapons, they won't have much effect on Russia.
Russia is not based on cellphone and computers like the US is.
It is only the US would be destroyed by returning to precomputer days.
Russia would just barely notice.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong.

We have been over that and you were proven wrong.

No one is gtrying to put nukes on Russia's border. Criminal acts such as murder is not the venue or business of Russia.

It is putin's fault and the Onua is on him. He is commiting a unilateral act of war.

Wrong.
Zelensky has constantly been trying to join NATO exclusively because that would mean nukes on Russia's border.
The Ukraine has nothing else to offer NATO.
And the onus is on the Ukraine for stealing oil, violating treaties, and murdering ethnic Russians.
Criminal acts like the government of the Ukraine sending troops to the Donetsk to murder ethnic Russians IS the venue and business of Russia, because the Donetsk historically was always part of Russia until Khrushchev gave it to the Ukraine in 1955.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, the Ukraine is on their border, and is of vital strategic importance.
And the Ukraine is committing mass criminal acts, like stealing oil, murder thousands of ethnic Russians, violating treaties, trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, etc.
It is entirely the fault of the Ukraine that the fighting started, since they were the ones to break off negotiations.

Nice collection of lies? Do you do that professionally or is it just a hobby?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wrong.
Zelensky has constantly been trying to join NATO exclusively because that would mean nukes on Russia's border.
The Ukraine has nothing else to offer NATO.
And the onus is on the Ukraine for stealing oil, violating treaties, and murdering ethnic Russians.
Criminal acts like the government of the Ukraine sending troops to the Donetsk to murder ethnic Russians IS the venue and business of Russia, because the Donetsk historically was always part of Russia until Khrushchev gave it to the Ukraine in 1955.

Why would joining NATO put nukes on his border?

There are only 3 nuclear powers in NATO and we can hit anywhere in Russia that we want from our home countries.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
Zelensky has constantly been trying to join NATO exclusively because that would mean nukes on Russia's border.
The Ukraine has nothing else to offer NATO.
And the onus is on the Ukraine for stealing oil, violating treaties, and murdering ethnic Russians.
Criminal acts like the government of the Ukraine sending troops to the Donetsk to murder ethnic Russians IS the venue and business of Russia, because the Donetsk historically was always part of Russia until Khrushchev gave it to the Ukraine in 1955.

Wrong.

There is no need or reason to put nukers in the Ukraine and no one wants to.

The Ukrainian military is surprisinglhy comptetant as the Russians are finding out.

No it is not the fucking business of Russia period.

 

[Soupnazi630]

NO! Putin is NOT bluffing.
He has absolutely no choice on this.
If we keep murdering Russian by illegally arming them with javelins and stingers, then it will escalate to nuclear weapons.
What the Ukraine did was unforgivable.
Stealing oil was bad enough, but then to avoid paying back the $20 billion they stole, they want to put NATO nukes on Russia's border.
That has to be punished.
The US should join Russia and put economic sanctions in the Ukraine, not Russia.

But if it comes down to nuclear weapons, they won't have much effect on Russia.
Russia is not based on cellphone and computers like the US is.
It is only the US would be destroyed by returning to precomputer days.
Russia would just barely notice.

It is perfectly legal to arm Russias enemies.

There is no effort to put nukes on the russian border. You are a liar and that is proven fact

 

[Soupnazi630]

NO! Putin is NOT bluffing.
He has absolutely no choice on this.
If we keep murdering Russian by illegally arming them with javelins and stingers, then it will escalate to nuclear weapons.
What the Ukraine did was unforgivable.
Stealing oil was bad enough, but then to avoid paying back the $20 billion they stole, they want to put NATO nukes on Russia's border.
That has to be punished.
The US should join Russia and put economic sanctions in the Ukraine, not Russia.

But if it comes down to nuclear weapons, they won't have much effect on Russia.
Russia is not based on cellphone and computers like the US is.
It is only the US would be destroyed by returning to precomputer days.
Russia would just barely notice.

Russia would be destroyed as bad as the US and today they are JUSt as dependant on technilogy

You really need to get out of the cold war the massive communist power of the USSR is no more.

 

[Rigby5]

Why would joining NATO put nukes on his border?

There are only 3 nuclear powers in NATO and we can hit anywhere in Russia that we want from our home countries.

NATO has been trying to put nukes on Russia's border constantly, starting with US nukes in Turkey in the 1950s.
NATO tried to put nukes in Poland and Latvia.
Zelensky openly said he wanted NATO nukes many times, and NATO said they want to put nukes on Russia's border.
The reason why is obvious.
It would prevent reaction time against a first strike.

We can TRY to hit anywhere we want in Russia, but the time it takes is about half an hour, so there is plenty of time to work on shooting it down.

 

[Soupnazi630]

NATO has been trying to put nukes on Russia's border constantly, starting with US nukes in Turkey in the 1950s.
NATO tried to put nukes in Poland and Latvia.
Zelensky openly said he wanted NATO nukes many times, and NATO said they want to put nukes on Russia's border.
The reason why is obvious.
It would prevent reaction time against a first strike.

We can TRY to hit anywhere we want in Russia, but the time it takes is about half an hour, so there is plenty of time to work on shooting it down.

Wrong.

In the 1950s it was necessary to put nukes that close but since then no effort has been made to put them trhat close

We have no need to do so with ICBMs and SSBMs and so on.

NATO never said they want to put nukes there and they have no need or desire to do so. You are making up lies as you go

A half an hour is not plenty of time dimwit