Is Putin bluffing about using nukes? Should NATO call his bluff? (POLL)

[kyzr]

The Ukraine is Putin's ongoing war crime, and NATO is really doing nothing to slow his plodding military down.

There were items discussed, such as a NATO "no fly" zone over Ukraine.
Stoltenberg just said "NO", since that would start a war between NATO and Russia.

US generals suggested sending Ukraine some of our obsolete A-10 "Warthog" tank killers. They would make short work of Putin's tank columns.

Yesterday the Russian military fired into a Ukrainian nuclear powerplant. These idiots are playing "Russian Roulette" with a global disaster. Day after day more death and destruction.

Will there be a tipping point when NATO countries see so much death and destruction, such as public executions "Taliban Style" that NATO says, FU Vlad, we're kicking your ass out of Ukraine, and if you want to escalate to nuclear slap leather?

So the poll question basically says will Putin's war crimes ever be worth risking a nuclear war?? He's betting no.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

It doesn't really matter.........he HAS them.

If he uses them, especially on the nuclear power plants, most of that part of the country will become another Chernobyl. He would be cutting off his own dick to spite odannys face.

Even if he doesn't use them on the power plants, he's still looking at a radioactive wasteland for at least 75 years or more. Not only that, there would be massive radioactive clouds that would work their way across Russia.

I'm surprised nobodys taken at least a potshot at Putin by now.

 

[kyzr]

It doesn't really matter.........he HAS them.

If he uses them, especially on the nuclear power plants, most of that part of the country will become another Chernobyl. He would be cutting off his own dick to spite odannys face.

Even if he doesn't use them on the power plants, he's still looking at a radioactive wasteland for at least 75 years or more. Not only that, there would be massive radioactive clouds that would work their way across Russia.

I'm surprised nobody's taken at least a potshot at Putin by now.

Putin is living in his bunker, he knows better than to give anyone a clean shot at him.

 

[imawhosure]

The Ukraine is Putin's ongoing war crime, and NATO is really doing nothing to slow his plodding military down.

There were items discussed, such as a NATO "no fly" zone over Ukraine.
Stoltenberg just said "NO", since that would start a war between NATO and Russia.

US generals suggested sending Ukraine some of our obsolete A-10 "Warthog" tank killers. They would make short work of Putin's tank columns.

Yesterday the Russian military fired into a Ukrainian nuclear powerplant. These idiots are playing "Russian Roulette" with a global disaster. Day after day more death and destruction.

Will there be a tipping point when NATO countries see so much death and destruction, such as public executions "Taliban Style" that NATO says, FU Vlad, we're kicking your ass out of Ukraine, and if you want to escalate to nuclear slap leather?

So the poll question basically says will Putin's war crimes ever be worth risking a nuclear war?? He's betting no.

We do not have to make that decision yet, but we might have to soon after he takes Ukraine. If Pooty believes his threat of nuclear war prevented action against him in Ukraine, he may try to expand again in the very near future.

His premise for this was---------->he would not allow a NATO country to be installed on the Russian border, just as we didn't want CUBA with missiles on our border. Take it for what it is worth, but that is the debate point from experts who semi agree with him or not.

But then, here comes the logic problem------------> If that is his reasoning, if Russia gobbles up Ukraine which then becomes a Russian satellite, Ukraine has NATO members on their borders. So now, he has the same cover for reasoning to do it again?

It is incumbent upon our government, to drill baby drill and bring oil to bear bringing down the cost, so his gas station in Europe is no where near as profitable so as he can not fund expansionist ideas. If our politicians do not do it, I fear we will back here in a year or 18 months, with you posing the same question to us about another country, possibly one of our NATO allies!

 

[Donald H]

No, Putin is not bluffing. And the US isn't bluffing that it will respond in kind.

Yes, Putin can do practically anything he wants, just as the US did anything it wanted with it's many wars since the end of WW2.
There aren't enough civilians in the Ukraine to come close to equalling US carnage in those many different countries.

We didn't talk about the carnage when the US was waging war and dropping bombs, that killed millions, but we should be concerned and talking about it now.

Was there a solution that could have prevented this war, that could have been mutually acceptable to both America and Russia?

 

[Donald H]

But then, here comes the logic problem------------> If that is his reasoning, if Russia gobbles up Ukraine which then becomes a Russian satellite, Ukraine has NATO members on their borders. So now, he has the same cover for reasoning to do it again?

Good point, that speaks well for Putin's idea of a demilitarized Ukraine that excludes both sides in peace. There are several different solutions being talked about, besides the unacceptable solutions for one side or the other.

This is not the same as America's wars and that can leave hope! It's a somewhat 'friendly' war in which there are rules for both sides to acknowledge. The people of Iraq should have been so lucky.

Neither side should break the rules.

 

[Woodznutz]

Ukraine could become another Afghanistan for Russia, if the Ukrainians can make a tough enough fight of it. The Russian army was defeated and demoralized in Afghanistan. It was their 'Vietnam'.

 

[imawhosure]

Just a question, a little off topic--------------> While hindsight is much easier than making the decisions in real time; do we now all agree that General Patton was 100% correct at the end of WWII?

 

[Donald H]

My idea for a solution: The world's large powers are going to have to agree to provide security for each other. In a world where many large powers possess nuclear weapons, it's most likely the only solution. None of the large and powerful countries can continue to dicate their rules to the others.

It applies perfectly to this current war and it will apply equally to the next war, that could be another of America's wars.

Consider the question for Iraq being a proxy of Russia and China and the US attempting to gain control there?
Or consider Venezuela being the equivalent of the Ukraine, except the sides differ.

If the large nuclear powers can't agree to share power then the threat of nuclear war will again be such a large concern for humanity!

 

[surada]

The Ukraine is Putin's ongoing war crime, and NATO is really doing nothing to slow his plodding military down.

There were items discussed, such as a NATO "no fly" zone over Ukraine.
Stoltenberg just said "NO", since that would start a war between NATO and Russia.

US generals suggested sending Ukraine some of our obsolete A-10 "Warthog" tank killers. They would make short work of Putin's tank columns.

Yesterday the Russian military fired into a Ukrainian nuclear powerplant. These idiots are playing "Russian Roulette" with a global disaster. Day after day more death and destruction.

Will there be a tipping point when NATO countries see so much death and destruction, such as public executions "Taliban Style" that NATO says, FU Vlad, we're kicking your ass out of Ukraine, and if you want to escalate to nuclear slap leather?

So the poll question basically says will Putin's war crimes ever be worth risking a nuclear war?? He's betting no.

Take Putin at his word.

 

[xband]

The Ukraine is Putin's ongoing war crime, and NATO is really doing nothing to slow his plodding military down.

There were items discussed, such as a NATO "no fly" zone over Ukraine.
Stoltenberg just said "NO", since that would start a war between NATO and Russia.

US generals suggested sending Ukraine some of our obsolete A-10 "Warthog" tank killers. They would make short work of Putin's tank columns.

Yesterday the Russian military fired into a Ukrainian nuclear powerplant. These idiots are playing "Russian Roulette" with a global disaster. Day after day more death and destruction.

Will there be a tipping point when NATO countries see so much death and destruction, such as public executions "Taliban Style" that NATO says, FU Vlad, we're kicking your ass out of Ukraine, and if you want to escalate to nuclear slap leather?

So the poll question basically says will Putin's war crimes ever be worth risking a nuclear war?? He's betting no.

In two words Tzar Bomba, 500 mega tons TNT yield.

 

[Donald H]

Ukraine could become another Afghanistan for Russia, if the Ukrainians can make a tough enough fight of it. The Russian army was defeated and demoralized in Afghanistan. It was their 'Vietnam'.

It's not productive trying to fight an armchair war. Ukraine isn't going to win the war against Russia and there's no way anybody would want to see an ongoing slaughter of the kind that went on in Afghanistan.

If Russia can be beaten then it's going to require some much more imaginable thinking.

Personally, I can't imagine Russia ever accepting clear cut defeat. Russia's ongoing security is much too important.

I just don't know how important to America it is to win the Ukraine?

While it's being decided, the Ukraine people are the pawns that suffer. That's the most important consideration.

How is China seeing the situation? Do they see a situation in which their security will be challenged by America too? Do they have the power to maintain their security?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Useful information, below.
Use 250kt for the yield.

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein

NUKEMAP is a website for visualizing the effects of nuclear detonations.

nuclearsecrecy.com

 

[JGalt]

Putin's not crazy, just stupid and greedy. Anyone who would allow their military to engage a Ukranian nuclear plant with mortars and small arms fire, is not the brightest bulb in the box. He may not give a direct order to deploy nukes, but he would more than likely give his military commanders the go ahead to use them if they thought it was necessary. Some of those military commanders could be just as stupid and greedy, which would be a real problem.

 

[Donald H]

It's nearly time to consider the most important question.

Is Putin intent on rebuilding the Soviet Union or is he intent on holding the line that will guarantee Russia's future security?

or

Is America/Nato interested in expansion into Russia's borders or is it just interested in stopping Russia's expansion?

Can we draw from the current situation and past practice to find the answers?

 

[xband]

Useful information, below.
Use 250kt for the yield.

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein

NUKEMAP is a website for visualizing the effects of nuclear detonations.

nuclearsecrecy.com

Perhaps but with the Tritium plug?

 

[Donald H]

Putin's not crazy, just stupid and greedy. Anyone who would allow their military to engage a Ukranian nuclear plant with mortars and small arms fire, is not the brightest bulb in the box. He may not give a direct order to deploy nukes, but he would more than likely give his military commanders the go ahead to use them if they thought it was necessary. Some of those military commanders could be just as stupid and greedy, which would be a real problem.

The biggest significance of that is the possibility of America claiming that Russia has resorted to nuclear war. Nobody wants that big step to be taken!

 

[ScorpioRising007]

The Ukraine is Putin's ongoing war crime, and NATO is really doing nothing to slow his plodding military down.

There were items discussed, such as a NATO "no fly" zone over Ukraine.
Stoltenberg just said "NO", since that would start a war between NATO and Russia.

US generals suggested sending Ukraine some of our obsolete A-10 "Warthog" tank killers. They would make short work of Putin's tank columns.

Yesterday the Russian military fired into a Ukrainian nuclear powerplant. These idiots are playing "Russian Roulette" with a global disaster. Day after day more death and destruction.

Will there be a tipping point when NATO countries see so much death and destruction, such as public executions "Taliban Style" that NATO says, FU Vlad, we're kicking your ass out of Ukraine, and if you want to escalate to nuclear slap leather?

So the poll question basically says will Putin's war crimes ever be worth risking a nuclear war?? He's betting no.

I think he is bluffing and will never use Nukes

 

[wamose]

If NATO doesn't respond, then there is no NATO. And I'm not talking just supplying some weapons. I'm talking destroying that 40 mile long Russian military caravan with airpower and installing a no fly zone over Ukraine. Ukraine deserves better from the asshole countries who claim to love freedom.

 

[Donald H]

I think he is bluffing and will never use Nukes

Your opinion is a real asset to your country's military. The objective is obviously to instill that sort of confidence in all the American people.

I've had experience talking to military minds and they're solid on the proposition of being able to win a nuclear war with Russia. They clearly display the confidence to say that America can stop all the incoming.

I suppose a military mind couldln't bear to think otherwise?