Is Obama really a Christian?

[bodecea]

I guess that's why his ratings are in the toilet right now...because he represents the majority?

People are waking up to this con man...

People made a decision to support his ideas when they elected him. In 2012, they'll get a chance to make a decision again.

Wrong.

People did not make the decision to support his ideas when they elected him. They made the decision to allow him to govern...and if they are not happy with his ideas, they will do what they always do....speak out about it.

Sadly, this President simply does not listen when people speak out.

Instead, he ridicules them.

Deserves ridicule.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Marxists are neither Christian or Muslim. Religion plays no part in their lives. This current President is a Saul Alinsky Marxist-trained Community Organizer. His Marxist training trumps religion. So in a sense you could say that Marxism is his religion. Marxists are actually very hostile to religion. So this debate really is senseless. His Marxism really does trump any possible religious beliefs. Case closed.

 

[bodecea]

You're right....they are not the same thing exactly.....however they are all similar enough to be part of the borg....

You will never find free Americans part of the borg...

You don't know the differences, do you?

You should really learn what words mean before you try to use them.

Yes i do know the differences....do you?

Do you know the difference between the borg (with all its variations) and America?

Science Fiction and Fantasy. How appropriate.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

It means at the end of the day both Obama and Hillary are basically collectivists/progressives/statists/socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/totalitarians....

Define those words.

Why? Google them up for yourself...

 

[bodecea]

as opposed to 'i don't know if he's a christian or not, i take the president at his word' (nudge, nudge wink, wink). of 'i love being in the pro-america parts of the country'... or
the president is trying to 'destroy this country'?

i think i'll take obama's statements.

You are comparing the statemnents of a fringe with the statements of the President.

When are we going to learn to never take a politician for his word?

The fringe also believe in UFO's and cosmic rays from the sun bringing about the events on the Mayan calendar.

Thus explains the "Borg" comments.

 

[bodecea]

It means at the end of the day both Obama and Hillary are basically collectivists/progressives/statists/socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/totalitarians....

Define those words.

Why? Google them up for yourself...

Isn't it fun to just through random words around without having to back them up with anything substantial, like "meaning"?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

So, you have to be a Christian to be President?

No, but you shouldn't espouse anti-American ideas...

And it sounds like you think anything non-Christian (or rather what YOU determine to be non-Christian) is anti-American. Have I got that right?

No...anything that is anti-American is anti-American.....like collective salvation for the country...as espoused by Mr. BO...

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Maybe he is referring to the Judgment of Nations which is a collective gathering of nations and an individual judgment as well?

Matthew 25:31-46 (New King James Version)

The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy[a] angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

btw, you do realize that it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to require a religious "test" of our President....GUESS NOT for you, you commie!!!



Me thinks you need to pick up a Bible AND the Constitution, and read them BOTH.

Care

Methinks you need to understand the Bible better as well as the Constitution...and Yes, I know that the President does not require a religious test....never said BO needed to take one...

Forced charity (via the collective) will not bring you individual salvation....that is your individual responsibility...as a Christian you, and you alone, will answer for your sins...

Obama speaks of collective salvation for our country.....this is not something you can find anywhere in the U.S. Constitution....in fact....that is directly in opposition to individual freedom....

can you put what he said in context instead of a little quip of it and also, do you somehow believe the wrath of God or his judgment, has never come down upon Nations for some reason or that it won't ever in the future? What denomination of Christianity are you, if I may ask?

Huh? What does obama's statement about judgment, have to do with the constitution???

You my dear screaming eagle, are just screaming and screeching without cause imho....

but of course...you do have the right to do such.....and so do I!

No one is being forced my dear....no one keeps you here in this country, you can leave ya know?

And if you think what our elected officials have legislated is us being FORCED....then funding the standing army is being forced on us, and funding wars is being FORCED upon us, and Faith based initiatives is being FORCED on us, and all laws that they make is being FORCED on us.....and ALL money that congress spends is being FORCED upon us....?

and you must believe that we are not a constitutional, democratic republic....?

Care

Even constitutional, democratic republics such as ours can fall.....eternal vigilance is the price of freedom...

 

[Wicked Jester]

Obama is having enough of a problem trying to figure out how to be a leader. Why should we muddle his mind even further by asking him to figure out if he believes in a god or not?......After all, leading and multi-tasking are not things he's adept at whatsoever.

But, one thing is for sure. He DID sit in an anti-american RACIST church, listening to an anti-american RACIST scumbag of a preacher for over twenty years. That's been fully proven.

 

[Gadawg73]

Yes....our country was founded upon Christian principles, not Communist ones or Muslim ones....what a President believes in should matter...

When you start to mix anti-American beliefs with American politics you can create threats against our American way of life.

The Founders owned slaves, bred with their female slaves, smuggled illegal products into the colonies, fought against the dominant church of the colonies (Anglican) of the time, owned taverns and made their own liquor, grew tobacco and sold that drug illegally over seas and drank more per capita than any other generation of Americans.
Are those the Christian principles you speak of?
The United States Government was not founded on ANY religous principles.
They argued that one over 200 years ago. The proponents of a religous influenced government lost.
Get over it. Your ancestors did a LONG time ago.

I never said anybody....Christian or not....was perfect.....mankind is full of strife....

However the founders of our country DID found the US based upon many principles found in Christianity...that is another subject which you can find discussed at length under Religion.....our founders were very religious (Christian) men...

One of the principles of Christianity is personal salvation.....and thus personal responsibility....

Similarly, one of the principles of the US is individual freedom......and thus individual responsibility....

The Founders were predominantly Christian. A good thing.
Their ACTIONS, not their tongues, prove they were not very religous at all.
Just because you are a Christian does not make you a very religous person.
Keeping religion out of politics and keeping it open for anyone of any religion is what The Constitution states.
NO mention of God or Christianity anywhere in it.
Fora reason that many forget.

 

[Gadawg73]

Did you know that it is law that proof of citizenship MUST be presented to the employer by the employee prior to first day of work?

And did you know that the Certificate of Live Birth that was released by Hawaii certainly qualifies as legal proof of citizenship?

I couldnt get my daughter into her softball league with that stupid piece of paper.... its NOT a birth certificate!

As far as I am concerned, he's an imposter.

Yes, he is the president, but in eyes he is unforthright & dishonest.... he is no leader!

You are wrong. A certificate of live birth is what you get in most states.
ALL you can get. I deal with this daily in my work. His certificate is valid. Always has been.
And there is a birth announcement in the damn paper 3 days after his birth.
But you believe the Kenyan secret service did this?
You presented a copy of the certificate to the softball league and not the certified copy which Obama released.
And I did not and will not vote for him.
But I know the difference between fact and made up rank fiction.
Next time look for some proof. There is none with this born in Kenya nonsense.
Kiddie stuff.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Why don't you tell me what Obama has done, since he's been President, that has taken away any of your "freedoms"?

Here, someone has written up a nice little list just for you....

Top 7 Marxist Communist Policies Being Implemented By Obama Today
Top 7 Marxist Communist Policies Being Implemented By Obama Today | Liberty Pundits Blog

If I'd wanted to read a right-wing nutjob blog, I would have just gone to WND. I asked YOU - What "freedoms" has Obama taken from YOU.

So you don't think those 7 things will affect you personally.....? Got news for you....the more tyrannical Obama becomes the less liberty you will enjoy...

Take a look at the Health Care Bill for starters....everyone now is required to buy health insurance....the freedom to NOT buy it is gone...God knows what else is in that monster bill...

Then look at the humongous DEBT that he has put us in.....we will be paying that down for ages....or we may just go bankrupt and that will be fun, fun, fun...

You might want to read David Limbaugh's new book "Crimes Against Liberty"...

Obama’s offenses against the rule of law (including the administration’s blatant pursuit of race-based justice)
Violations of the public trust (including Obama’s Chicago-style bully boy tactics to protect and advance the administration’s cronies)
Abuses against the private sector (including how the Obama administration is removing any limits to federal power)
Crimes against good governance (including Obama’s mania for secrecy after getting elected on promises of transparency)
Betrayals of the national interest (including the administration’s gagging of honest discussion of the threat of radical Islam)And much, much more

 

[MarcATL]

I can comfortably and honestly say that Obama is THE MOST transparent President we've had thus far.

This is is fact.

LMAO.

Ok.

WHO was more transparent?

And how?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The Founders owned slaves, bred with their female slaves, smuggled illegal products into the colonies, fought against the dominant church of the colonies (Anglican) of the time, owned taverns and made their own liquor, grew tobacco and sold that drug illegally over seas and drank more per capita than any other generation of Americans.
Are those the Christian principles you speak of?
The United States Government was not founded on ANY religous principles.
They argued that one over 200 years ago. The proponents of a religous influenced government lost.
Get over it. Your ancestors did a LONG time ago.

I never said anybody....Christian or not....was perfect.....mankind is full of strife....

However the founders of our country DID found the US based upon many principles found in Christianity...that is another subject which you can find discussed at length under Religion.....our founders were very religious (Christian) men...

One of the principles of Christianity is personal salvation.....and thus personal responsibility....

Similarly, one of the principles of the US is individual freedom......and thus individual responsibility....

The Founders were predominantly Christian. A good thing.
Their ACTIONS, not their tongues, prove they were not very religous at all.
Just because you are a Christian does not make you a very religous person.
Keeping religion out of politics and keeping it open for anyone of any religion is what The Constitution states.
NO mention of God or Christianity anywhere in it.
Fora reason that many forget.

just because the Constitution prevents church establishment does not mean that a man cannot have ideas in his head.... whether they are religious or not...and that he will not try to implement those ideas into our society and government...

What we are seeing in Obama is ideas that contradict our Constitution....."collective" goes against our individual rights...

 

[Dr.Traveler]

It means at the end of the day both Obama and Hillary are basically collectivists/progressives/statists/socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/totalitarians....

Define those words.

Why? Google them up for yourself...

You're the one asserting they are equivalent. I expect to see the rational argument for it. Go ahead.

I'm betting you can't do better than "What you feel to be true," which tells me about how rational you are and how much attention should be paid to you.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Define those words.

Why? Google them up for yourself...

You're the one asserting they are equivalent. I expect to see the rational argument for it. Go ahead.

I'm betting you can't do better than "What you feel to be true," which tells me about how rational you are and how much attention should be paid to you.

These systems are are based in one form or another on the primacy of the group versus the individual....and all usually develop forms of censure or punishment to bring "individualists" or non-conformists into line with the group goals....the end result often becoming totalitarianism.

That's why i use the fun little term "borg".....easy way to kinda roll them all together.... identifying them all as the enemy of individual freedom....

 

[THE LIGHT]

I can comfortably and honestly say that Obama is THE MOST transparent President we've had thus far.

This is is fact.

Yes, he is a transparent liar. He can try to hide his lies but I see right through them.

 

[bodecea]

I can comfortably and honestly say that Obama is THE MOST transparent President we've had thus far.

This is is fact.

Yes, he is a transparent liar. He can try to hide his lies but I see right through them.

Of course you can.....

 

[JWBooth]

He is a statist politician.

Anything else he may purport to espouse is of little or no relevance. Simple fodder for the audience of the moment.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Why? Google them up for yourself...

You're the one asserting they are equivalent. I expect to see the rational argument for it. Go ahead.

I'm betting you can't do better than "What you feel to be true," which tells me about how rational you are and how much attention should be paid to you.

These systems are are based in one form or another on the primacy of the group versus the individual....and all usually develop forms of censure or punishment to bring "individualists" or non-conformists into line with the group goals....the end result often becoming totalitarianism.

That's why i use the fun little term "borg".....easy way to kinda roll them all together.... identifying them all as the enemy of individual freedom....

Generalizations.

You still haven't demonstrated that you understand they are different ideas. Try again.