Is Modesty Relevant

[p kirkes]

For quite a while, probably when I flew past sixty, I didn't give the subject of modesty much thought. Unless a woman was bare breasted in public or a man's ass crack wasn't filling my field of vision pretty much anything was acceptable. Plunging necklines, OK, skin tight jeans even better, spiked heels, wow, form fitting dress, OMG. Well, you get the idea.

Now in my recliner years I ponder the tension, in men, this display of women's charms is causing. That is my point, men are being constantly bombarded with erotic images in every aspect of life. There is a saying "too much of a good thing" can be bad for you.

This aspect, immodest dress, is not new. The erotic display of physical attributes has been around since recorded history.

Fast forward to today's society. Immodest dress by women is justified by being fashionable. Yet when wearing these short dresses or skirts they scrunch them down when seated in a gesture of modesty. What is that?

Cut to the chase, women's dresses, skirts should be a ankle length. Upper clothing should not reveal cleavage and should have sleeves, high heels -banned altogether. Pants or pant-suits OK if loose and not revealing body outlines. Swim suits, similar to ones worn by Ester Williams (do a goggle if your not old enough, ha, ha)

I do not advocate the more restrictive dress code of a Burqua.

A Renaissance of modesty is needed, IMO, for the mental health of men.

 

[strollingbones]

i wear nothing revealing....i normally cover everything but my hands and face and hair...in the summer i will wear shorts at the house but change to go out....

and i agree that SHIRTLESS MEN ARE OFFENSIVE lol

 

[PoliticalChic]

For quite a while, probably when I flew past sixty, I didn't give the subject of modesty much thought. Unless a woman was bare breasted in public or a man's ass crack wasn't filling my field of vision pretty much anything was acceptable. Plunging necklines, OK, skin tight jeans even better, spiked heels, wow, form fitting dress, OMG. Well, you get the idea.

Now in my recliner years I ponder the tension, in men, this display of women's charms is causing. That is my point, men are being constantly bombarded with erotic images in every aspect of life. There is a saying "too much of a good thing" can be bad for you.

This aspect, immodest dress, is not new. The erotic display of physical attributes has been around since recorded history.

Fast forward to today's society. Immodest dress by women is justified by being fashionable. Yet when wearing these short dresses or skirts they scrunch them down when seated in a gesture of modesty. What is that?

Cut to the chase, women's dresses, skirts should be a ankle length. Upper clothing should not reveal cleavage and should have sleeves, high heels -banned altogether. Pants or pant-suits OK if loose and not revealing body outlines. Swim suits, similar to ones worn by Ester Williams (do a goggle if your not old enough, ha, ha)

I do not advocate the more restrictive dress code of a Burqua.

A Renaissance of modesty is needed, IMO, for the mental health of men.

This is a topic of great interest to me because I have two children and one is a girl.

The pendulum has swung so far over that it will eventually swing back. I've never been a big fan of revealing too much. It is unnecessary and leaves nothing to the imagination. Believe it or not there are lots of folks who believe as you do. Do you remember the controversy with Abercrombie and Fitch:

In 2005, the Women and Girls Foundation of Southwest Pennsylvania launched a "girlcott" of the store for selling T-shirts that read, "Who needs brains when you have these?", "Available for parties," and "I had a nightmare I was a brunette." The campaign received national coverage on The Today Show, and the company pulled the shirts from stores on November 5, 2005.

Wendy Shalit, a philosophy major from Williams College has written two wonderful books on this topic:

A Return to Modesty: Discovering the Lost Virtue 1999
Girls Gone Mild: Young Women Reclaim Self-Respect 2007

I highly recommend the 2007 book.

 

[dilloduck]

This is a topic of great interest to me because I have two children and one is a girl.

The pendulum has swung so far over that it will eventually swing back. I've never been a big fan of revealing too much. It is unnecessary and leaves nothing to the imagination. Believe it or not there are lots of folks who believe as you do. Do you remember the controversy with Abercrombie and Fitch:

In 2005, the Women and Girls Foundation of Southwest Pennsylvania launched a "girlcott" of the store for selling T-shirts that read, "Who needs brains when you have these?", "Available for parties," and "I had a nightmare I was a brunette." The campaign received national coverage on The Today Show, and the company pulled the shirts from stores on November 5, 2005.

Wendy Shalit, a philosophy major from Williams College has written two wonderful books on this topic:

A Return to Modesty: Discovering the Lost Virtue 1999
Girls Gone Mild: Young Women Reclaim Self-Respect 2007

I highly recommend the 2007 book.

Ok --question for a male----Why the skin showing, sexual innuendo etc from young women ? What's the real agenda behind it ?

 

[catzmeow]

A Renaissance of modesty is needed, IMO, for the mental health of men.

Pansy asses. Ever ponder the fact that it is your own dirty minds to blame, and not women? For instance, you overly sexualize breasts. They have a functional purpose: to feed babies. Men are the ones who fixate on them to their own harm as if they are your personal playgrounds.

Good grief. Sure, let's go back into the dark ages. Women should be stoned to death for immodesty, versus men cleaning up their own minds and holding themselves responsible for their own thoughts.

Holy freaking hell.

 

[catzmeow]

In 2005, the Women and Girls Foundation of Southwest Pennsylvania launched a "girlcott" of the store for selling T-shirts that read, "Who needs brains when you have these?", "Available for parties," and "I had a nightmare I was a brunette."

Those shirts make me laugh, I don't see them as offensive.

I have great boobs. I'll say this bluntly. For a 42-year-old woman, they are high, tight, and perky (and real, to boot), between a D and a DD. My entire life, since I was about 18, men have drooled over them.

I have a good education AND a good brain. I'm far more intelligent than many of the men I've worked with over the years.

If they want to make stupid asses of themselves over my great cleavage, who am I to complain? I'll use their stupidity for my own gain.

When Janet Jackson had the wardrobe malfunction a few years ago, my daughter and I were watching. We went to bed quite soberly, and we had a long conversation about women who use their bodies to make money, and women who use their brains. I told her I hope she'll use her brains, and not just her boobs, to make a living. She totally got the point of that conversation.

However, having said that...let's not be disingenuous here and pretend that a woman's looks have nothing to do with her success. An attractive, well-kept woman with a nice body has an advantage. Couple that with a genuinely nice personality and a good brain, and this person can literally go ANYWHERE and succeed.

This is something that southern women have ALWAYS understood. Whether I was training police officers OR working with our state legislator/governor, I ALWAYS realized that my breasts were an asset. While men were fixated on them, I could deliver a solid information that would help me sell them on whatever I was trying to get them to do.

And, for the record, I'd ALWAYS rather be a blond than a brunette. Durr.

We have more fun.

 

[dilloduck]

Pansy asses. Ever ponder the fact that it is your own dirty minds to blame, and not women? For instance, you overly sexualize breasts. They have a functional purpose: to feed babies. Men are the ones who fixate on them to their own harm as if they are your personal playgrounds.

Good grief. Sure, let's go back into the dark ages. Women should be stoned to death for immodesty, versus men cleaning up their own minds and holding themselves responsible for their own thoughts.

Holy freaking hell.

Men are driven by their natural make-up to be attracted to women. A man's sexual desire is not some sickness.

 

[jillian]

Pansy asses. Ever ponder the fact that it is your own dirty minds to blame, and not women? For instance, you overly sexualize breasts. They have a functional purpose: to feed babies. Men are the ones who fixate on them to their own harm as if they are your personal playgrounds.

Good grief. Sure, let's go back into the dark ages. Women should be stoned to death for immodesty, versus men cleaning up their own minds and holding themselves responsible for their own thoughts.

Holy freaking hell.

It's the same mentality as you used to get from people saying "it was her fault she got raped because she was dressed provocatively". Was retarded then. Retarded now.

In terms of how women dress, I think there is a huge difference between being "girls gone wild" tacky (i.e., having no self-respect) and wearing a burqa. Somewhere in the middle works for me,

 

[dilloduck]

It's the same mentality as you used to get from people saying "it was her fault she got raped because she was dressed provocatively". Was retarded then. Retarded now.

In terms of how women dress, I think there is a huge difference between being "girls gone wild" tacky (i.e., having no self-respect) and wearing a burqa. Somewhere in the middle works for me,

There's a huge difference between rape and a man being sexually attracted to a woman. Lets try not to discuss this issue but using extremes. Rape is do to anger anyway.

 

[tigerbob]

Pansy asses. Ever ponder the fact that it is your own dirty minds to blame, and not women? For instance, you overly sexualize breasts. They have a functional purpose: to feed babies. Men are the ones who fixate on them to their own harm as if they are your personal playgrounds.

Good grief. Sure, let's go back into the dark ages. Women should be stoned to death for immodesty, versus men cleaning up their own minds and holding themselves responsible for their own thoughts.

Holy freaking hell.

The other functional purpose of breasts of course is for men to stare at. That's not an oversexualization. Women know very well what boobs do to guys, and play to this advantage accordingly.

As to the OP, ridiculous. Women should be allowed to dress as they like. American society needs to be less prudish, not more. And if men can't behave themselves they should stay home and watch Star Trek.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The other functional purpose of breasts of course is for men to stare at. That's not an oversexualization. Women know very well what boobs do to guys, and play to this advantage accordingly.

As to the OP, ridiculous. Women should be allowed to dress as they like. American society needs to be less prudish, not more. And if men can't behave themselves they should stay home and watch Star Trek.

I know how to play the game just like the next woman, but there's a difference between dressing like a "whore" and dressing to enhance your features. Women in our society can dress however way they like. But, I'd rather get some respect than cat calls. A woman can show she is confident about herself without having to place her boobs on a serving platter.

Personally, I find those "Girls Gone Wild" videos disgusting because there's something wrong with a girl who needs to get that kind of attention. It feeds into the notion that "men don't make passes to girls who wear glasses." I think most intelligent men really care about the inside, not just the outside.

 

[dilloduck]

I know how to play the game just like the next woman, but there's a difference between dressing like a "whore" and dressing to enhance your features. Women in our society can dress however way they like. But, I'd rather get some respect than cat calls. A woman can show she is confident about herself without having to place her boobs on a serving platter.

Personally, I find those "Girls Gone Wild" videos disgusting because there's something wrong with a girl who needs to get that kind of attention. It feeds into the notion that "men don't make passes to girls who wear glasses." I think most intelligent men really care about the inside, not just the outside.

Why do women feel the need to enhance thier features ?

 

[editec]

It's what I can't see, rather than what I can see, which is most alluring, I think.

That said, I hate, for example, thong underwear on woman.

Women have to be in perfect shape and not only that, they have to be blessed with THE perfect shape to really pull that look off. (basically you'd have to be a runway model not to look kind of absurd in those AFAIC)

I don't know, maybe it's just me.

Maybe I'm forever fixated on what was sexy to me when I was hitting puberty, but I think a lot of what women are wearing today isn't really very complimentary to their looks.

But there's an ass for every seat.

I STILL think women should dress in whatever way makes THEM feel sexy, and their attitude about themselves of sexual beings will still attract men no matter what they're wearing.

The saying that men are more attracted to looks, is of course, true. Pornography is stimulating to most of us.

But if you really want to use your looks, girls, give men THAT LOOK, which has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU ARE WEARING.

We tend respond to THAT LOOK regardless of how you're dressed.

 

[Sunni Man]

I feel sorry for prostitutes here in America

It used to be that you could see they where a prostitute by the way they looked and dressed.

But today, most American women dress no different than street walkers.

This must make it much harder for prostitutes to make a living.

 

[dilloduck]

There is no denying that humans remain to be partially sexual creatures and how we look can either stimulate others or disgust them. We will always be subjected to the perception of others--like it or not. We can enhance our sexuality by how we look or how we act but the reaction of the public will always be a varied as peoples tastes and moral injunctions. What people act on is a whole different story but let's not pretend sexuality is a disease or moral affliction.

 

[alan1]

Those shirts make me laugh, I don't see them as offensive.

I have great boobs. I'll say this bluntly. For a 42-year-old woman, they are high, tight, and perky (and real, to boot), between a D and a DD. My entire life, since I was about 18, men have drooled over them.

I have a good education AND a good brain. I'm far more intelligent than many of the men I've worked with over the years.

If they want to make stupid asses of themselves over my great cleavage, who am I to complain? I'll use their stupidity for my own gain.

When Janet Jackson had the wardrobe malfunction a few years ago, my daughter and I were watching. We went to bed quite soberly, and we had a long conversation about women who use their bodies to make money, and women who use their brains. I told her I hope she'll use her brains, and not just her boobs, to make a living. She totally got the point of that conversation.

However, having said that...let's not be disingenuous here and pretend that a woman's looks have nothing to do with her success. An attractive, well-kept woman with a nice body has an advantage. Couple that with a genuinely nice personality and a good brain, and this person can literally go ANYWHERE and succeed.

This is something that southern women have ALWAYS understood. Whether I was training police officers OR working with our state legislator/governor, I ALWAYS realized that my breasts were an asset. While men were fixated on them, I could deliver a solid information that would help me sell them on whatever I was trying to get them to do.

And, for the record, I'd ALWAYS rather be a blond than a brunette. Durr.

We have more fun.

Are you married?

 

[dilloduck]

Are you married?

LOL see---all catz has to do is talk about em and they still work !

 

[sparky]

so it seems the real issue is being comfortable with our own sexuality

so what if a woman or a man has a nice body and is showing it off

i think most of us can maintain our composure and appreciate what we see

what's the big deal?

 

[dilloduck]

so it seems the real issue is being comfortable with our own sexuality

so what if a woman or a man has a nice body and is showing it off

i think most of us can maintain our composure and appreciate what we see

what's the big deal?

I think the big deal is that most people AREN'T that comfortable with thier own sexuality. Too many conflicting messages and the fact that a sort of taboo has been placed around it makes it more difficult for people to get accurate information.

 

[alan1]

LOL see---all catz has to do is talk about em and they still work !

I love me a good set of brains.