Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[Hum Dinger]

All Swiss pay federal taxes. All of them!

yes, they consider it to be their patriotic duty.

 

[dblack]

It seems that what your saying is that Americans have no compassion for their fellow American ...

Nope. Just a difference of opinion on the role of government in society. But if demonizing people with different opinions helps you sleep ....

I'd rather have the government manage healthcare, then have it controlled by pure greed as it is now.

And I'd rather have the devil hisself, rather than government goons like Trump, controlling healthcare.

 

[WillowTree]

All Swiss pay federal taxes. All of them!

yes, they consider it to be their patriotic duty.

As should all Americans! All of them.

 

[dblack]

In another thread, a poster brought up the Singapore system. It seemed very well thought out. I'm a republican too, but our health care is a disaster. Honestly, I think our political system is too fractured to come up with a government solution. I'm almost always against big universal plans, but I'll admit they are not impossible. The problem is you need to be unified to come up with something halfway intelligent like the Singapore system, and we are definitely not that.

Whenever American propose socialized healthcare, we act like we're the first country in the world to do it. We come up with zany ideas on how to do it.

There's plenty of countries we could study and find out what works and what doesn't. We could create a great healthcare system based on those models, but instead we just play this stupid game.

The simple fact is that we're not like other countries. The reason we can't have universal health care, the reason we don't want important social functions co-opted by government in general, is because we have a very diverse culture. We simply don't have the consensus necessary to successfully nationalize things like health care. Some people think of this as a "bug". I see it as a feature.

 

[Hum Dinger]

In another thread, a poster brought up the Singapore system. It seemed very well thought out. I'm a republican too, but our health care is a disaster. Honestly, I think our political system is too fractured to come up with a government solution. I'm almost always against big universal plans, but I'll admit they are not impossible. The problem is you need to be unified to come up with something halfway intelligent like the Singapore system, and we are definitely not that.

Whenever American propose socialized healthcare, we act like we're the first country in the world to do it. We come up with zany ideas on how to do it.

There's plenty of countries we could study and find out what works and what doesn't. We could create a great healthcare system based on those models, but instead we just play this stupid game.

As soon as we become a country with secure borders and 100% of real US citizens paying federal income tax let us know! As long as you morons insist on importing millions of poor people I will be a no vote!

Poor people who are 99% willing to work for low wages and who if given an honest job will happily pay taxes.

Illegal immigrants contribute a whole lot more to our economy than they take - there are tens of thousands of Americans that have gotten wealthy from illegal immigrant labor.

Maybe if some of your 'real' Americans paid them fairly there wouldn't be an issue.

 

[TNHarley]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

TN has free college and tech school and they didnt raise taxes for it. Can you believe that? No ******* taxes. TN is mostly republicans.
Might want to rethink your tired cliches.

So how are they paying for it? Debt?

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Lottery
Free college and not forcing anyone to pay for it. Imagine that!

So what's the big difference between running a lottery and imposing a tax?

Taxation is being honest and upfront, the lottery is taking advantage of stupid people.

If you don't think so, then I'll give you 20 chances to guess my phone number. Don't think that you'll succeed.

You have a one in 10,000,000 chance of guessing my phone number. That's alot more probable than winning the lottery.

Who gives a shit? Nobody is being forced to take care of other people.
Goddamn, can you ******* hacks EVER be satisfied?

 

[WillowTree]

In another thread, a poster brought up the Singapore system. It seemed very well thought out. I'm a republican too, but our health care is a disaster. Honestly, I think our political system is too fractured to come up with a government solution. I'm almost always against big universal plans, but I'll admit they are not impossible. The problem is you need to be unified to come up with something halfway intelligent like the Singapore system, and we are definitely not that.

Whenever American propose socialized healthcare, we act like we're the first country in the world to do it. We come up with zany ideas on how to do it.

There's plenty of countries we could study and find out what works and what doesn't. We could create a great healthcare system based on those models, but instead we just play this stupid game.

As soon as we become a country with secure borders and 100% of real US citizens paying federal income tax let us know! As long as you morons insist on importing millions of poor people I will be a no vote!

Poor people who are 99% willing to work for low wages and who if given an honest job will happily pay taxes.

Illegal immigrants contribute a whole lot more to our economy than they take - there are tens of thousands of Americans that have gotten wealthy from illegal immigrant labor.

Maybe if some of your 'real' Americans paid them fairly there wouldn't be an issue.

Stop telling lies!

 

[francoHFW]

In another thread, a poster brought up the Singapore system. It seemed very well thought out. I'm a republican too, but our health care is a disaster. Honestly, I think our political system is too fractured to come up with a government solution. I'm almost always against big universal plans, but I'll admit they are not impossible. The problem is you need to be unified to come up with something halfway intelligent like the Singapore system, and we are definitely not that.

Whenever American propose socialized healthcare, we act like we're the first country in the world to do it. We come up with zany ideas on how to do it.

There's plenty of countries we could study and find out what works and what doesn't. We could create a great healthcare system based on those models, but instead we just play this stupid game.

As soon as we become a country with secure borders and 100% of real US citizens paying federal income tax let us know! As long as you morons insist on importing millions of poor people I will be a no vote!

if you count all taxes and fees, we have a flat tax system with the rich making out like Bandits and the middle class and the rest going slowly to hell. After 35 years of giveaway to the rich, we have the worst inequality and upward Mobility anywhere ever LOL, you silly brainwashed fool. Also none of the services of every other modern country.... Healthcare daycare parental leave good vacations cheap College and training etc etc etc. Brainwashed functional moron.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What fix is there?

We expand the current Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public money and free market competition and innovation.

The Supplements and MA plans are optional, and people can just buy up. We'd catch and fix problems much earlier, before they become larger and more costly problems. We take a MASSIVE cost monkey off the backs of American employers. We streamline the delivery/billing process. We no longer have Americans paying higher premiums and fees to make up for those who don't and get "free" care.

When we're younger and healthier, the plan would cover less and ladder up over time. The Supplements and MA plans would take care of the rest.

It's right there, waiting for us, but we have our heads too far up our ass to see it.
.

Are you aware that the people on Medicare paid into the system for 20-30 years before they ever drew a nickels worth of care?

And a lot of other people paid in for decades and now don't qualify to get Medicare.

Explain please!

Sorry, I should be more clear and say that not everyone gets to receive Medicare without continuing to pay a buttload.

 

[francoHFW]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

TN has free college and tech school and they didnt raise taxes for it. Can you believe that? No ******* taxes. TN is mostly republicans.
Might want to rethink your tired cliches.

So how are they paying for it? Debt?

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Lottery
Free college and not forcing anyone to pay for it. Imagine that!

So what's the big difference between running a lottery and imposing a tax?

Taxation is being honest and upfront, the lottery is taking advantage of stupid people.

If you don't think so, then I'll give you 20 chances to guess my phone number. Don't think that you'll succeed.

You have a one in 10,000,000 chance of guessing my phone number. That's alot more probable than winning the lottery.

Who gives a shit? Nobody is being forced to take care of other people.
Goddamn, can you ******* hacks EVER be satisfied?

As our country just continues to get worse and worse, stupid. Change the channel.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

TN has free college and tech school and they didnt raise taxes for it. Can you believe that? No ******* taxes. TN is mostly republicans.
Might want to rethink your tired cliches.

So how are they paying for it? Debt?

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Apparently, the majority of the money comes from the lottery.

 

[TNHarley]

TN has free college and tech school and they didnt raise taxes for it. Can you believe that? No ******* taxes. TN is mostly republicans.
Might want to rethink your tired cliches.

So how are they paying for it? Debt?

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Lottery
Free college and not forcing anyone to pay for it. Imagine that!

So what's the big difference between running a lottery and imposing a tax?

Taxation is being honest and upfront, the lottery is taking advantage of stupid people.

If you don't think so, then I'll give you 20 chances to guess my phone number. Don't think that you'll succeed.

You have a one in 10,000,000 chance of guessing my phone number. That's alot more probable than winning the lottery.

Who gives a shit? Nobody is being forced to take care of other people.
Goddamn, can you ******* hacks EVER be satisfied?

As our country just continues to get worse and worse, stupid. Change the channel.

WTF are you about, you senile old goat?

 

[francoHFW]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

TN has free college and tech school and they didnt raise taxes for it. Can you believe that? No ******* taxes. TN is mostly republicans.
Might want to rethink your tired cliches.

So how are they paying for it? Debt?

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Apparently, the majority of the money comes from the lottery.

Because we can't tax the rich or giant corporations like every other country in the world ever! Thanks scumbag GOP and silly Dupes like you...

 

[TNHarley]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

TN has free college and tech school and they didnt raise taxes for it. Can you believe that? No ******* taxes. TN is mostly republicans.
Might want to rethink your tired cliches.

So how are they paying for it? Debt?

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Apparently, the majority of the money comes from the lottery.

Because we can text the rich or giant corporations like every other country in the world ever! Thanks scumbag GOP and silly Dupes like you...

Poor triggered snowflake. Thinking someone would actually text him.. Its kinda cute

 

[Cecilie1200]

In another thread, a poster brought up the Singapore system. It seemed very well thought out. I'm a republican too, but our health care is a disaster. Honestly, I think our political system is too fractured to come up with a government solution. I'm almost always against big universal plans, but I'll admit they are not impossible. The problem is you need to be unified to come up with something halfway intelligent like the Singapore system, and we are definitely not that.

Whenever American propose socialized healthcare, we act like we're the first country in the world to do it. We come up with zany ideas on how to do it.

There's plenty of countries we could study and find out what works and what doesn't. We could create a great healthcare system based on those models, but instead we just play this stupid game.

Except that we're the only country that's just like us.

Who would you like us to study and apply to our situation? Some tiny European/Scandinavian country with a fraction of our population and almost total homogeneity? Some other country with a vastly different culture that has no concept of individual freedom such as American citizens take for granted?

Be specific.

 

[Hum Dinger]

In another thread, a poster brought up the Singapore system. It seemed very well thought out. I'm a republican too, but our health care is a disaster. Honestly, I think our political system is too fractured to come up with a government solution. I'm almost always against big universal plans, but I'll admit they are not impossible. The problem is you need to be unified to come up with something halfway intelligent like the Singapore system, and we are definitely not that.

Whenever American propose socialized healthcare, we act like we're the first country in the world to do it. We come up with zany ideas on how to do it.

There's plenty of countries we could study and find out what works and what doesn't. We could create a great healthcare system based on those models, but instead we just play this stupid game.

As soon as we become a country with secure borders and 100% of real US citizens paying federal income tax let us know! As long as you morons insist on importing millions of poor people I will be a no vote!

Poor people who are 99% willing to work for low wages and who if given an honest job will happily pay taxes.

Illegal immigrants contribute a whole lot more to our economy than they take - there are tens of thousands of Americans that have gotten wealthy from illegal immigrant labor.

Maybe if some of your 'real' Americans paid them fairly there wouldn't be an issue.

Stop telling lies!

Is that always your response when anyone says something that you don't want to believe?

Lügenpresse!

Reality doesn't phase you does it?

 

[francoHFW]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

TN has free college and tech school and they didnt raise taxes for it. Can you believe that? No ******* taxes. TN is mostly republicans.
Might want to rethink your tired cliches.

So how are they paying for it? Debt?

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Apparently, the majority of the money comes from the lottery.

Because we can text the rich or giant corporations like every other country in the world ever! Thanks scumbag GOP and silly Dupes like you...

Poor triggered snowflake. Thinking someone would actually text him.. Its kinda cute

Can't tax

 

[WillowTree]

In another thread, a poster brought up the Singapore system. It seemed very well thought out. I'm a republican too, but our health care is a disaster. Honestly, I think our political system is too fractured to come up with a government solution. I'm almost always against big universal plans, but I'll admit they are not impossible. The problem is you need to be unified to come up with something halfway intelligent like the Singapore system, and we are definitely not that.

Whenever American propose socialized healthcare, we act like we're the first country in the world to do it. We come up with zany ideas on how to do it.

There's plenty of countries we could study and find out what works and what doesn't. We could create a great healthcare system based on those models, but instead we just play this stupid game.

As soon as we become a country with secure borders and 100% of real US citizens paying federal income tax let us know! As long as you morons insist on importing millions of poor people I will be a no vote!

Poor people who are 99% willing to work for low wages and who if given an honest job will happily pay taxes.

Illegal immigrants contribute a whole lot more to our economy than they take - there are tens of thousands of Americans that have gotten wealthy from illegal immigrant labor.

Maybe if some of your 'real' Americans paid them fairly there wouldn't be an issue.

Stop telling lies!

Is that always your response when anyone says something that you don't want to believe?

Lügenpresse!

Reality doesn't phase you does it?

Stop lying!

 

[Cecilie1200]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Socialized healthcare was first implemented in Germany by Bismark at the end of the 19th century. Since then there's been dozens of countries that have successfully implemented socialized healthcare. It's not a question of if or even how it can be done. We have lot's of examples to go by.

What we have is one group of people that are making a fortune because of the extreme over pricing of American healthcare, and another group of mindless people who are fanatically against socialized healthcare just because they view it as a 'socialist' or 'liberal'.

The percentage of people who can work but will not is tiny. It is grossly exaggerated. We by far have always had more of a problem because people want to work and can not find a job, or people who do work and are so grossly underpaid that they still have to rely on government support.

As far as a healthcare tax, we only have to look at the dozen or so other countries and see how they do it. I doubt that the wealthy Swiss are crying over their healthcare tax.

This simple fact is, we're not like other countries. The reason we can't have universal health care, the reason we don't want important social functions co-opted by government in general, is because we have a very diverse culture. We simply don't have the consensus necessary to successfully nationalize things like health care. Some people think of this as a "bug". I see it as a feature.

It seems that what your saying is that Americans have no compassion for their fellow American because we are so diverse. I know some ridiculously wealthy Swiss people who are fanatically patriotic. However, unlike Americans, their idea of patriotism is caring for their fellow Swiss citizens.

I'd rather have the government manage healthcare, then have it controlled by pure greed as it is now.

It seems that what you are saying is that the only possible "compassion" is the one defined as YOU see it.

YOU'D rather have government-managed healthcare. While you're being all "compassionate to your fellow Americans", how about you scrape up a smidgen of understanding for the large numbers of people who don't want what you want, and don't appreciate being forced to have it instead of what they DO want, just because YOU want it?

Amazingly enough, airily waving off anyone else who wants different things than you as "greedy" and therefore deciding they can just be ignored and forced to adhere to your "superior, compassionate" plans is not only not going to work, it makes you a far greedier and more selfish person than you accuse them of being.

 

[francoHFW]

In another thread, a poster brought up the Singapore system. It seemed very well thought out. I'm a republican too, but our health care is a disaster. Honestly, I think our political system is too fractured to come up with a government solution. I'm almost always against big universal plans, but I'll admit they are not impossible. The problem is you need to be unified to come up with something halfway intelligent like the Singapore system, and we are definitely not that.

Whenever American propose socialized healthcare, we act like we're the first country in the world to do it. We come up with zany ideas on how to do it.

There's plenty of countries we could study and find out what works and what doesn't. We could create a great healthcare system based on those models, but instead we just play this stupid game.

Except that we're the only country that's just like us.

Who would you like us to study and apply to our situation? Some tiny European/Scandinavian country with a fraction of our population and almost total homogeneity? Some other country with a vastly different culture that has no concept of individual freedom such as American citizens take for granted?

Be specific.

Yes I know you are obsessed with punishing minorities and the poor, brainwashed functional racist moron....