Is it the siren call of authoritarianism?

[SeaMajor7]

The OP certainly got under this creep’s skin

That’s revealing

^^^There's that lack of self-awareness from the demented LEFT....AGAIN.

 

[Lesh]

That oppose your evil.

What’s evil is your unreasoning hatred

 

[berg80]

It isn't that Trump is so well liked. It's that the democrats are that much despised.

Despised by who and for what? Trying to save the environment, raise the minimum wage, make healthcare insurance affordable, save lives with enhanced gun control, not force women to carry a fetus to term against their will? the majority of Americans supports those efforts.
If Biden was a little younger, and not falsely blamed for inflation, he'd be ahead in the polls.

 

[berg80]

How about this… because even if he doesn’t believe it, he SAYS the things these people believe in. He even went so far as TRYING to do some of them in his first term in office. He doesn’t fit in with the politicians and thst makes people like him.

Like I said, it's irrational.

 

[SeaMajor7]

What’s evil is your unreasoning hatred

You're having a tough time with the English language this morning.
Are you drunk?

 

[Lesh]

You're having a tough time with the English language this morning.
Are you drunk?

What are you babbling about?

 

[Anathema]

Like I said, it's irrational

Is it REALLY irrational to support the ONLY person in the entire political sphere who’s paying ANY attention to the things you believe in.

I supported him in 2016 hoping it would be a wake up call for the Republican Party. I never expected him to win. I was ready for a violent revolution the next mortal I heard he’d won.

I didn’t support him in 2020 and won’t this year because he can’t get anything done. The Never-Trump coalition (quiet as they are) will not allow it.

 

[initforme]

From an independent lens both parties are now extreme. They claim to be for freedom and liberty.....as long ad it's their version. The hard part for them to accept is there are those of us who say no to that and no matter who wins must allow people to live as they wish without accepting their beloved platform. There's nothing either side can do about that.

 

[22lcidw]

Despised by who and for what? Trying to save the environment, raise the minimum wage, make healthcare insurance affordable, save lives with enhanced gun control, not force women to carry a fetus to term against their will? the majority of Americans supports those efforts.
If Biden was a little younger, and not falsely blamed for inflation, he'd be ahead in the polls.

The only questionable agenda you typed is the abortion one. And that is put on a stage with multiple megaphones. An open wound for a half century is now part of the state's responsibilities. And each one will find its comfort level. The rest is scams.

 

[1srelluc]

The OP hit the nail on the head.

How many times have we heard from Trump supporters “Well he’s an asshole but he speaks for us “

No. He doesn’t . Stop believing stuff that just isn’t true. He’s a con man

You are just afraid he will pour out the Uke midget's soup bowl in front of him.

 

[pknopp]

What you're missing is the question of how Trump could be ahead in light of Jan. 6, a felony conviction, 3 criminal indictments, and the findings of financial liability for tax fraud and rape.

Both Trump and Biden are underwater in the polls. Sadly there is far too many willing to vote for someone simply because of the party they are running on.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Despised by who and for what? Trying to save the environment, raise the minimum wage, make healthcare insurance affordable, save lives with enhanced gun control, not force women to carry a fetus to term against their will? the majority of Americans supports those efforts.
If Biden was a little younger, and not falsely blamed for inflation, he'd be ahead in the polls.

You either recognize reality or you don't. Obviously you aren't ready to come to grips with why democrats are so hated. You will just have to wander about, bumping into walls, unable to grasp Trump's popularity.

 

[Hellokitty]

Many have struggled with trying to understand Trump's allure in the face of his moral degeneracy, his abject idiocy, and his anti-democratic impulses. It creates a degree of cognitive dissonance I can say personally I've never experienced. Here is one man's opinion I found compelling. My deepest apologies for the limited amount of the article I can paste due to board copywrite rules. It doesn't due the piece justice. Hopefully the theme comes through.

It was written by the NYT resident op-ed board conservative, David Brooks. For context, he begins by making reference to the notion NY will be a competitive state in the presidential race.

The Deep Source of Trump’s Appeal​

The proximate answer of course is that many voters think Biden is too old. But that doesn’t explain why Trump was ahead even before the debate. It doesn’t explain why Trump’s candidacy is still standing after Jan. 6. It doesn’t explain why America is on the verge of turning in an authoritarian direction.

I’ve been trying to think through the deeper roots of our current dysfunction with the help of a new book by James Davison Hunter titled “Democracy and Solidarity: On the Cultural Roots of America’s Political Crisis.” Hunter, a scholar at the University of Virginia, is (in my opinion) the nation’s leading cultural historian.

At the same time, science and reason failed to produce a substitute moral order that could hold the nation together. By 1981, in the famous first passage of his book “After Virtue,” the philosopher Alasdair Macintyre argued that we had inherited fragments of moral ideas, not a coherent moral system to give form to a communal life, not a solid set of moral foundations to use to settle disputes. Moral reasoning, he wrote, had been reduced to “emotivism.” If it feels right, do it. In 1987, Allan Bloom released his megaselling “The Closing of the American Mind,” arguing that moral relativism had become the dominant ethos of the era.

He goes on to say identity politics has filled the void of a lack of a cohesive moral order.

Was there anything that would fill this void of meaning? Was there anything that could give people a shared sense of right and wrong, a sense of purpose?

It turns out there was: identity politics. People on the right and the left began to identify themselves within a particular kind of moral story. This is the story in which my political group is the victim of oppression and other groups are the oppressors.

The problem with this form of all-explaining identity politics is that it undermines democracy. If others are evil and out to get us, then persuasion is for suckers.

In this climate, Hunter argues, “the authoritarian impulse becomes impossible to restrain.” Authoritarianism imposes a social vision by force. If you can’t have social solidarity organically from the ground up, then you can impose it from top down using the power of the state. This is the menace of Trumpism. If you read my recent interview with Steve Bannon, you’ll see that he talks like a character straight out of Hunter’s book.

Opinion | The Deep Source of Trump’s Appeal

The problem with identity politics becoming our moral system is that it undermines democracy.

www.nytimes.com

I have felt for a very long time Trump's popularity transcends politics. That Trumpery must have an appeal on a psychological level. Because nothing else I can think of could allow his supporters to ignore his glaring shortcomings as a person and a politician. And not just ignore his shortcomings, but deny objective truths like his direction of the conspiracy to block Biden's certification as prez and install himself as an un-elected leader.

There being a psychological component to his supporter's devotion explains its unshakable nature. An unique feature of his base never seen before in US history. The vast majority of whom can not be persuaded the efforts to hold him accountable for his actions are not corrupt because they reject the idea he has ever done anything wrong. There is no way to deal with that.

Um, the whole argument being made by Brooks is backwards. The democrats identity politics and selling victimhood ushers in authoritarianism. People are turning to TRUMP because they realize democrat policy sucks.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

What you're missing is the question of how Trump could be ahead in light of Jan. 6, a felony conviction, 3 criminal indictments, and the findings of financial liability for tax fraud and rape.

What you are missing is the majority of people who don't believe the legitimacy of a single one of those allegations.

 

[Hellokitty]

Despised by who and for what? Trying to save the environment, raise the minimum wage, make healthcare insurance affordable, save lives with enhanced gun control, not force women to carry a fetus to term against their will? the majority of Americans supports those efforts.
If Biden was a little younger, and not falsely blamed for inflation, he'd be ahead in the polls.

The problem with democrat moral is they don't hold up to any standards.
Saving the environment= controlling the population, sets up an US vs THEM identity where the average people make all the sacrifice while the elite get ahead.
Healthcare/Insurance same as saving the environment. Average people have their choices limited.
Gun Control same thing, the average people loss ability to protect themselves while the elite have armed security.
Amusing how you view gun control as saving lives yet in the next sentence you support killing babies in the womb.

 

[scruffy]

Well YOU are certainly filled with hatred

I hate commies that triple the price of a loaf of bread and a gallon of gas.

Got a problem with that?

Too fucking bad.

 

[berg80]

Is it REALLY irrational to support the ONLY person in the entire political sphere who’s paying ANY attention to the things you believe in.

Am I to believe the former GOP has no one else to offer who meets that description besides a moral degenerate with an unparalleled level of ignorance about the world around him?

 

[berg80]

Saving the environment= controlling the population

Said the paranoid, delusional simp.

 

[Anathema]

Am I to believe the former GOP has no one else to offer who meets that description besides a moral degenerate with an unparalleled level of ignorance about the world around him?

Not being a Republican myself, I can’t say for certain. However, I have noticed that anyone with a PoliSci degree or who has been a politician for more than 3 years no longer fits the description; regardless of their political philosophy.

P.S. - Veing ignorant about there’s other world is a bonus when you’re talking to an Isolationist and Nationalist like myself.

 

[berg80]

What you are missing is the majority of people who don't believe the legitimacy of a single one of those allegations.

Not the majority of people, the majority of his deluded supporters.