Is it right to blame JD Vance for Orban's loss?

Orban loses afrer 16 years career.
IMHO, It was a combination of factors.

Now they are blaming Vance? Only TDS tards would blame Trump, it is idiotic to think that 16 year veteran Orban was actually cruising to another glorious win only to be killed by Trump/Vance, suggesting that Hungary was all in for Orban and their TDS for Trump killed his election!

The guy's time had come and gone and Trump tried to be a buddy and buoy his chances at the last minute but Orban was done, lost in a landslide that not even Trump could save.

Oh well, it will be funny now if a year from now they wish they still had Orban (which wouldn't surprise me.
 
Now they are blaming Vance? Only TDS tards would blame Trump, it is idiotic to think that 16 year veteran Orban was actually cruising to another glorious win only to be killed by Trump/Vance, suggesting that Hungary was all in for Orban and their TDS for Trump killed his election!

The guy's time had come and gone and Trump tried to be a buddy and buoy his chances at the last minute but Orban was done, lost in a landslide that not even Trump could save.

Oh well, it will be funny now if a year from now they wish they still had Orban (which wouldn't surprise me.
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Orban loses afrer 16 years career.


IMHO, It was a combination of factors.

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The blame.




Vance's funniest moment was complaining to the audience about foreign countries trying to meddle in Hungary's election while he was trying to meddle in Hungary's election on behalf of a foreign country :laugh:
 
Orban loses afrer 16 years career.


IMHO, It was a combination of factors.

_

The blame.




DJ Vance went over there because Orban was having problems in the first place.

A birth rate lower than the UK's, but after Orban put so much effort and money trying to bring it up. Wasting money on things.

But having Trump's endorsement is not a great thing either.
 
Orban loses afrer 16 years career.


IMHO, It was a combination of factors.

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The blame.




just maybe it was time for a change after 16 years?
From what I read he wants to keep Hungary isolated from the EU
They still have their own currency

They still are keeping muslim hordes out

apparently the people want the euro and invaders now?

that will be their death sentence
 
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Orban loses afrer 16 years career.


IMHO, It was a combination of factors.

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The blame.




Hungary is a Democracy and different candidates take power from time to time. In this case, as the new leader wants a more friendly approach to the European Union, he will, at some point, betray his claim about continuing Orban's ban on Muslim migrants and start letting them in, in small numbers at first, then let the flood overrun the country. Another western nation down the drain.
 
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just maybe it was time for a change after 16 years?
From what I read he wants to keep Hungary isolated from the EU
They still have their own currency

They still are keeping muslim hordes out

apparently the people want the euro and invaders now?

that will be their death sentence
Check out Hungary's birth rate
 
I think the best way to look at this is in terms of coalitions.

On the one hand you have the illiberal autocratic and semi-autocratic group. I comsider the Maga movement, Orban and Putin on that side. Ideologocally ultra- nationalist, anti-gay, anti-trans, and anti-immigration.

On the other side, the traditional liberal Democrats, represented by the Democrats amd the EU. The globalist, more inclusive group.

Orban has been at odds with that group for years. The problem he has is in my opinion the same as any populist has. When it comes down to it, the present easy solutions to difficult problems. The trouble with that, is that the solutions seldom work, and most of the time create other more serious problems.

In this case, it's one thing to buck the EU, and lean into culture wars, but quite another when Europe starts withholding funds because of those policies. Since your population will start to feel the effects of that.

Now, you can do what Orban did and change the constitution and try to keep power that way, but unless you go fully autocratic and actually hold sham elections discontent if sufficiently great will catch up with you.

The discontent here caused not just an electoral win, but a landslide electoral win for the opposition. A win so devestating it's pretty clear that the outcome wasn't in doubt. Vamce or no Vance, Trump or no Trump.

Having said that, Trump isn't very popular in Europe to say the least, so I don't think it helped.
 
Check out Hungary's birth rate
That has what do with the politics exactly?

was he forcing men to pull out?

insert muslim hordes and it will go up with all the rapes

Do you want that?
 
That has what do with the politics exactly?

was he forcing men to pull out?

insert muslim hordes and it will go up with all the rapes

Do you want that?

Nothing, absolutely nothing to do with politics at all.....

Well, not the politics you know which is ignorance piled on top of more ******* ignorance.

That you have NO FORKING CLUE about the issues is hardly surprising.

Would you like me to education you on the issues that have to do with Orban, Hungary, the Western world and the problems its facing, or would you like to remain ignorant?
 
Nothing, absolutely nothing to do with politics at all.....

Well, not the politics you know which is ignorance piled on top of more ******* ignorance.

That you have NO FORKING CLUE about the issues is hardly surprising.

Would you like me to education you on the issues that have to do with Orban, Hungary, the Western world and the problems its facing, or would you like to remain ignorant?
what issue, white people in the EU are not having babies?

yeah shocking, same with the USA

your point?

Everybody knows blacks/arabs/latino have 5x the birth rate

What does that have to do with Orban again, that is the thread here

You brought up birth rate but you provide no ******* context how that relates

To you somebody is talking about their garden and you bring up a ford f-150......NOT related
 
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what issue, white people in the EU are not having babies?

yeah shocking, same with the USA

your point?

Everybody knows blacks/arabs/latino have 5x the birth rate

What does that have to do with Orban again, that is the thread here

You brought up birth rate but you provide no ******* context how that relates
I asked if you wanted me to educate you. You didn't answer the question.

Do you? If you don't say yes, I'm not bothering.
 
I asked if you wanted me to educate you. You didn't answer the question.

Do you? If you don't say yes, I'm not bothering.
yes, you give me a lesson on the birthrate of the EU which I already know
but go for it

I don't live under a rock, I also don't follow the EU that much either, why would I?
 
yes, you give me a lesson on the birthrate of the EU which I already know
but go for it

I don't live under a rock, I also don't follow the EU that much either, why would I?
I'll help. Orban wanted to limit immigration. The problem is that Hungary has a negative population growth. And has had that since 1980. This is creating considerable stress on social security and the labor market.

So as I said. If like Orban you want to limit immigration while your current population is already dwindling you will be punished electorally.

You can of course play the Christian nationalist card. Refer to the people coming in as a "Muslim horde." But if people see their pensions are going down, and they have to work longer that message won't convince people forever, and ends up costing you.
 
I'll help. Orban wanted to limit immigration. The problem is that Hungary has a negative population growth. And has had that since 1980. This is creating considerable stress on social security and the labor market.

So as I said. If like Orban you want to limit immigration while your current population is already dwindling you will be punished electorally.

You can of course play the Christian nationalist card. Refer to the people coming in as a "Muslim horde." But if people see their pensions are going down, and they have to work longer that message won't convince people forever, and ends up costing you.
yes and that makes sense but the cure is not to invite other people into the country but
for people to start having more children
why are they not is the question

Japan is doing the same exact thing, they have a negative birth/death but they are strict, they don't want black, brown, arabs white even, they want to stay Japanese and I respect that, keep the culture you have pure

these small counties are NOT a melting pot like the USA which is 100x larger or so

importing people is not the answer, your own population has to do it

maybe they need some incentive to have more sex and not use birth control

that is the main question here
 
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