Is Israel doomed?

[ForeverYoung436]

Where was Israel's defined territory when it declared independence?

Where is Israel's defined territory now?

Again, you are avoiding my question.

Defined territory is something a sovereign state has. Israel is a sovereign state, therefore has defined territory. Where is it ? Look at a map .

"In international law, a sovereign state is a nonphysical juridical entity that is represented by one centralized government that has sovereignty over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1"

Now answer my question.

International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1"​

Until you can define Israel's territory, your post is gibberish.

Here you go


Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory:


PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.





Will this do ?

Indeed, those are Palestine's international borders. You are just confused as to the meaning of Jewish National Home.

Israel has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan, as spelled out by their peace treaties. Also, when Israel withdrew from Lebanon, the U.N. determined that Israel had complied by withdrawing its forces from the internationally recognized border.

Besides, this discussion belongs in a Philosophy 101 class, not a serious discussion about how to resolve the conflict.

 

[Phoenall]

Here you go


Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory:


PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.





Will this do ?

Indeed, those are Palestine's international borders. You are just confused as to the meaning of Jewish National Home.

Get it right as the link shows they are the borders of Jewish National Home inside Palestine. The whole of Palestine includes trans Jordan and trans Jordan is not mentioned is it. You confuse the term Jewish Palestine with nation of Palestine. The facts are that the LoN had to do something when it was pointed out that Palestine could not be wholly arab muslim or wholly Jewish, so they partitioned Palestine into separate arab muslim and Jewish parts. The mandaye delineates the borders or trans Jordan as well if you bother to look, and that was supposed to be the nation of Palestine. .

"77. As far as the mandatory Power is concerned, the statement65/ of British policy in Palestine which was issued in June 1922 by Mr. Winston Churchill, then Secretary of State for the Colonies, has remained the authoritative interpretation.66/ The following excerpts express the substance of the statement:

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine."

A 364 of 3 September 1947

And as your link on another thread states the land of Palestine was partitioned into two parts and 78% became trans Jordan, a wholly Islamic state with the remainder becoming the national home of the Jews.

Do you understand yet that your own links are saying that you are a LIAR

The link says no such thing. It is impossible to be a liar when one posts text from an official document.

Then why does it say that trans Jordan was part or the Mandate for Palestine and stayed that way until given the go ahead to exist on its own in 1945.

 

[montelatici]

A Mandate is a contract/treaty. Palestine and Trans-Jordania territories included as part of the area included in the contract. The territories were exclusive and were treated as such in the annual reports.

As you can see, there was a separate section in the reports for Trans-Jordania and a separate description of the boundaries, population, etc.

"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.


- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where was Israel's defined territory when it declared independence?

Where is Israel's defined territory now?

Again, you are avoiding my question.

Defined territory is something a sovereign state has. Israel is a sovereign state, therefore has defined territory. Where is it ? Look at a map .

"In international law, a sovereign state is a nonphysical juridical entity that is represented by one centralized government that has sovereignty over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1"

Now answer my question.

International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1"​

Until you can define Israel's territory, your post is gibberish.

Here you go


Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory:


PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.





Will this do ?

Indeed, those are Palestine's international borders. You are just confused as to the meaning of Jewish National Home.

Palestine did not have any international borders, and you have not even proven they did or do.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Then where is this Palestine they are talking about?

 

[Roudy]

Just facts from a UN resolution.

Subject of the thread isn't your constant spamming of threads with irrelevant propaganda, liar.

 

[montelatici]

UN resolutions are fact, not propaganda. You are the propaganda monger.

 

[Phoenall]

A Mandate is a contract/treaty. Palestine and Trans-Jordania territories included as part of the area included in the contract. The territories were exclusive and were treated as such in the annual reports.

As you can see, there was a separate section in the reports for Trans-Jordania and a separate description of the boundaries, population, etc.

"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.


- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Which means nothing in reality, the fact it was in the interim report shows that under the Mandate it was seen as part of the whole. The report has this to say


Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

The political and economic connection between Palestine and Trans-Jordania is very close. Trade is active; communications are constant; disturbance in the one area cannot fail to be of detriment to the other; the prevention of raids from east of the Jordan and the preservation of order there are of no small importance to the population on the west. Syria, too, has a close interest in the security of her southern border. If Trans-Jordania became a prey to anarchy, not only her own inhabitants, but also the neighbouring territories, would be sufferers. All of them look to the Mandatory Power to prevent an eventuality which, in default of her influence and authority, might prove not remote.



So you see your own links call you a bare faced liar

 

[Phoenall]

Again, you are avoiding my question.

Defined territory is something a sovereign state has. Israel is a sovereign state, therefore has defined territory. Where is it ? Look at a map .

"In international law, a sovereign state is a nonphysical juridical entity that is represented by one centralized government that has sovereignty over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1"

Now answer my question.

International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1"​

Until you can define Israel's territory, your post is gibberish.

Here you go


Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory:


PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.





Will this do ?

Indeed, those are Palestine's international borders. You are just confused as to the meaning of Jewish National Home.

Palestine did not have any international borders, and you have not even proven they did or do.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Then where is this Palestine they are talking about?

And is nothing more than a recommendation and has no power in law.
But why did it take a further 14 years for the Palestinians to exercise those rights and declare independence.
Now they need to take the next step and negotiate in good faith peace and mutual borders with all their neighbours.

 

[Phoenall]

UN resolutions are fact, not propaganda. You are the propaganda monger.

Wrong UN resolutions are just recommendations of what certain elements would like to see, they have no power in law so are ignored

 

[rylah]

You don't have rights, only an obligation to go by the rule.
Once done You can demand those rights and fight for them.

The murder supporter so innocent and noble speaking of rights.

Let's hear him speak of rights other than for jebustinians, or any other law they respect so much.

 

[P F Tinmore]

International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1"​

Until you can define Israel's territory, your post is gibberish.

Here you go


Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory:


PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.





Will this do ?

Indeed, those are Palestine's international borders. You are just confused as to the meaning of Jewish National Home.

Palestine did not have any international borders, and you have not even proven they did or do.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Then where is this Palestine they are talking about?

And is nothing more than a recommendation and has no power in law.
But why did it take a further 14 years for the Palestinians to exercise those rights and declare independence.
Now they need to take the next step and negotiate in good faith peace and mutual borders with all their neighbours.

Well yes and no. UN General Assembly resolutions, in themselves, are recommendations. However, some resolutions "recommend" that member states abide to the UN charter which is required.

Recognizing
that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,


Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

The UN Charter is binding on member states.

 

[Phoenall]

Here you go


Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory:


PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.





Will this do ?

Indeed, those are Palestine's international borders. You are just confused as to the meaning of Jewish National Home.

Palestine did not have any international borders, and you have not even proven they did or do.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Then where is this Palestine they are talking about?

And is nothing more than a recommendation and has no power in law.
But why did it take a further 14 years for the Palestinians to exercise those rights and declare independence.
Now they need to take the next step and negotiate in good faith peace and mutual borders with all their neighbours.

Well yes and no. UN General Assembly resolutions, in themselves, are recommendations. However, some resolutions "recommend" that member states abide to the UN charter which is required.

Recognizing
that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,


Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

The UN Charter is binding on member states.

And have no way of forcing them to do so, if they had then not one Islamic nation would be a member of the UN.



They have it which is why they prefer to be the biggest moochers in the world rather than stand on their own feet.

They are stopping themselves from achieving these rights and have done since 1948

They could have declared independence at any time since 1923 and have not done so, that is them showing free determination.

The UN charter is broken by member states all the time and nothing is done. Just look at Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Yemen etc, that have all breached the UN chartwer in recent years.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, those are Palestine's international borders. You are just confused as to the meaning of Jewish National Home.

Palestine did not have any international borders, and you have not even proven they did or do.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Then where is this Palestine they are talking about?

And is nothing more than a recommendation and has no power in law.
But why did it take a further 14 years for the Palestinians to exercise those rights and declare independence.
Now they need to take the next step and negotiate in good faith peace and mutual borders with all their neighbours.

Well yes and no. UN General Assembly resolutions, in themselves, are recommendations. However, some resolutions "recommend" that member states abide to the UN charter which is required.

Recognizing
that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,


Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

The UN Charter is binding on member states.

And have no way of forcing them to do so, if they had then not one Islamic nation would be a member of the UN.



They have it which is why they prefer to be the biggest moochers in the world rather than stand on their own feet.

They are stopping themselves from achieving these rights and have done since 1948

They could have declared independence at any time since 1923 and have not done so, that is them showing free determination.

The UN charter is broken by member states all the time and nothing is done. Just look at Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Yemen etc, that have all breached the UN chartwer in recent years.

So you prefer "wild west" over law and order.

Gotcha!

 

[fanger]

Israel’s behaviour will bankrupt it over time

Two recent reports suggest that Israel could face catastrophic consequences if it fails to end the mistreatment of Palestinians under its rule, whether in the occupied territories or in Israel itself.

The Rand Corporation’s research shows that Israel could lose $250 billion (Dh919bn) over the next decade if it fails to make peace with the Palestinians and there is a return to violence. Ending the occupation, on the other hand, could bring a dividend of more than $120 billion into the nation’s coffers.

Meanwhile, the Israeli finance ministry predicts an even more dismal future unless Israel reinvents itself. It is likely to be bankrupt within a few decades, the finance ministry report says, because of the rapid growth of two unproductive groups.

By 2059, half the population will be either ultra-Orthodox Jews, who prefer prayer to work, or members of Israel’s Palestinian minority, most of whom are failed by their separate education system and then excluded from much of the economy.

Both reports should be generating a tidal wave of concern in Israel but have caused barely a ripple. The status quo – of occupation and endemic racism – still seems preferable to most Israelis.

Israel s behaviour will bankrupt it over time The National

 

[Phoenall]

Palestine did not have any international borders, and you have not even proven they did or do.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Then where is this Palestine they are talking about?

And is nothing more than a recommendation and has no power in law.
But why did it take a further 14 years for the Palestinians to exercise those rights and declare independence.
Now they need to take the next step and negotiate in good faith peace and mutual borders with all their neighbours.

Well yes and no. UN General Assembly resolutions, in themselves, are recommendations. However, some resolutions "recommend" that member states abide to the UN charter which is required.

Recognizing
that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,


Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

The UN Charter is binding on member states.

And have no way of forcing them to do so, if they had then not one Islamic nation would be a member of the UN.



They have it which is why they prefer to be the biggest moochers in the world rather than stand on their own feet.

They are stopping themselves from achieving these rights and have done since 1948

They could have declared independence at any time since 1923 and have not done so, that is them showing free determination.

The UN charter is broken by member states all the time and nothing is done. Just look at Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Yemen etc, that have all breached the UN chartwer in recent years.

So you prefer "wild west" over law and order.

Gotcha!

I would prefer a strong UN that is not afraid of enforcing the rule of law at the end of a gun. Then the world would know where it stood. A set of rules that set in stone acceptable behaviour and the consequences if they are breached. A payment plan from every member state of 1% of its GDP paid in a currency that is worth something. This would give nations the right to aid in times of national disaster and humanitarian help from other member states.