Is having Greenland something that Americans will gain some personal benefit from? If not, why is Trump set on getting it?

[Luckyone]

Trump isn't trying to protect Greenland. He is trying to protect North America by securing Greenland.

Why? Where is the REAL and tangible threat?

 

[Luckyone]

Strategic space base we have there

Pituffik Space Base - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

???? Is that a reason to take over a free country?

 

[toomuchtime_]

You do realise that the chances of Chinese bases being set up in Greenland is about as possible as Chinese bases being set up in Montana.

There is never any substance to your posts. I just explained to you exactly how China could set up military bases in Greenland if Europe allowed it to mine Greenland's natural resources and instead of critiquing my explanation, you say something stupid about Chinese bases in Montana. In an earlier post you claim you don't trust China and then spend the rest of the post explaining China is trustworthy.

 

[Robert W]

That's what I said, FDR sent US troops to occupy Greenland because it presented an obvious vulnerability to North American defenses.

ROOSEVELT SENDS TROOPS TO OCCUPY GREENLAND​

TODAY
Washington, D.C. • April 10, 1941

On April 9, 1941, a full year after Operation Weseruebung had brought Denmark and Norway into Nazi Germany’s orbit, the Danish ambassador in Washington, D.C., Henrik Kauffmann, signed an executive agreement with the U.S. Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, authorizing the U.S. to protect the remote Danish colony of Greenland “against attack by a non-American power” and to construct military stations on the island for that purpose. (Greenland, populated then by 18,000 native Iniut and less than 500 Danes, is separated from Canada’s Ellesmere Island to the north by only 16 miles/26 kilometers.) The Danish envoy, notable for refusing to recognize the Nazi occupation of his country, was supported in his move by Danish diplomats in the U.S.

Kauffmann was also supported by Danish authorities in Greenland, who were keenly aware of the difficulties the mother country faced in governing the island. After Germany’s occupation of their country, Danish authorities in Greenland’s administrative capital at Godthaab (today’s Nuuk) declared the island to be a self-ruling territory under a 1925 Danish emergency law. After debating among themselves, they agreed to recognize Kauffmann as their representative in Washington. By signing the U.S. treaty “in the name of the King,” Kauffmann ignored instructions from his home government and acted in clear violation of his diplomatic powers. Indeed, the treaty, while affirming Greenland’s loyalty to Denmark, was disavowed by authorities in Copenhagen in part because it allowed the U.S. to establish naval and air bases on Danish territory. (Although occupied by German armed forces, Denmark still regarded itself a neutral country.) The Danish government eventually charged Kauffmann with treason for his independent political moves. (After the war the Danish Parliament revoked Kauffmann’s treason sentence and legalized U.S. military installations in Greenland.)

On this date, April 10, 1941, a day after the signing ceremony, President Franklin D. Roosevelt played his trump card by declaring Greenland to be part of the Western Hemisphere. This declaration brought Greenland under the provisions of the Monroe Doctrine, which U.S. presidents had used to oppose European interference in the Americas for over a century. The inclusion of Greenland into what the U.S. considered its exclusive playground and the establishment of bilateral diplomatic relations in May was all the more important after Germany had made reconnaissance flights over Greenland, causing concern in Washington circles that Adolf Hitler might try to establish bases on the island for future use against the U.S. (See below, “Greenland’s Role in the ‘Weather War’.”) Greenland’s occupation by American armed forces on the same day as the announcement was followed 2 months later by the occupation of the strategically located Danish dependency of Iceland in the mid-Atlantic, where U.S. Marines supplemented and eventually replaced British and Canadian service members who had been stationed there since May 10, 1940.

The occupation of Greenland and Iceland brought the Roosevelt administration closer to supporting Great Britain in its Battle of the Atlantic. Henceforth, U.S. Navy vessels extended their convoy patrols to these 2 territories, both lying along the sea lanes linking the U.S. to its future ally against Nazi Germany.

Greenland’s Role in the “Weather War”​

 

[Luckyone]

There is never any substance to your posts. I just explained to you exactly how China could set up military bases in Greenland if Europe allowed it to mine Greenland's natural resources and instead of critiquing my explanation, you say something stupid about Chinese bases in Montana. In an earlier post you claim you don't trust China and then spend the rest of the post explaining China is trustworthy.

One thing that is “actually” happening is that it is us who is being an aggressor. We have taken Venezuela over and we now want Greenland as well, Even Panama, Columbia, and Cuba have been mentioned, we are being the aggressors, not China.

 

[X.Onasis]

Putin's backhanded method of breaking up NATO

 

[toomuchtime_]

Both the head of Greenland and Danish foreign minister are happy to do that. But that is not the point. Trump and his cronies want the wealth, too, that will be generated.

To use Greenland to shore up North America's defenses, the US would have to have control over Greenland and not be subject to the whim and whimsy of the Danish FM. As for the natural resources, a deal could be struck to share the profits as a part of the purchase price of Greenland, but so far Denmark has refused to negotiate and kind of deal with the US.

It becomes clearer and clearer that if Europe will not deal with the US on an issue as important as North America's defense, then there is really no reason for the US to remain in NATO.

 

[scruffy]

One thing that is “actually” happening is that it is us who is being an aggressor. We have taken Venezuela over and we now want Greenland as well, Even Panama, Columbia, and Cuba have been mentioned, we are being the aggressors, not China.

The Democrats shouldn't have poked Uncle Sam in the ass. He woke up. Now he's pissed.

 

[toomuchtime_]

One thing that is “actually” happening is that it is us who is being an aggressor. We have taken Venezuela over and we now want Greenland as well, Even Panama, Columbia, and Cuba have been mentioned, we are being the aggressors, not China.

You are a perfect example of how Democrats have moved from being anti Trump to being anti American.

 

[Polishprince]

Why then should we (Americans) support Trump's own STRONG desire to take over Greenland if the only benefit is for supporting his ego?

You liberal morons really don't get it?

Trump is concerned about Russia and Red China getting their forks into Greenland.

By threatening to have the USA take it over, it is forcing Denmark to defend its own territory, which accomplished the US goal here. Get Danish men standing guard.

 

[Luckyone]

You liberal morons really don't get it?

Trump is concerned about Russia and Red China getting their forks into Greenland.

By threatening to have the USA take it over, it is forcing Denmark to defend its own territory, which accomplished the US goal here. Get Danish men standing guard.

Let’s stop with personal insults, I am better at those than you. Don’t get me started.

You said it…..Trump is the one who is concerned (no one else is) and this is a Democratc Republic and not a Dictatorship. Such a decision needs to be made by Congress and not by Trump,

On top of that, he is not considering the consequences associated with this decision, which most analysts are saying that the consequences sre WORSE than the benefits!.

 

[Clipper]

Most likely our oligarch's think there's profit to be made from their minerals and the easily manipulated Trump is their best bet at getting to rob Greenland

So far they haven't been able to loot Ukraine for it's mineral wealth, so they have their sights set on Greenland.

Trump brought up "national security" so you can bet the farm that someone is about to get screwed.

 

[Luckyone]

You are a perfect example of how Democrats have moved from being anti Trump to being anti American.

You are now showing your biased thinking that has nothing to do with reality!

When a Trump supporter cannot prove their point, they automatically attack the messenger. You are acting lil a puppet!

 

[Dr Grump]

There is never any substance to your posts. I just explained to you exactly how China could set up military bases in Greenland if Europe allowed it to mine Greenland's natural resources and instead of critiquing my explanation, you say something stupid about Chinese bases in Montana. In an earlier post you claim you don't trust China and then spend the rest of the post explaining China is trustworthy.

There may be no substance to my posts (in your opinion) at least they're based on reality. I don't trust China in terms of getting its hands on mineral wealth. Everything else you talk about is just nationalism wrapped up in jingoism, disguised as a land/wealth grab.

 

[Dr Grump]

To use Greenland to shore up North America's defenses, the US would have to have control over Greenland and not be subject to the whim and whimsy of the Danish FM. As for the natural resources, a deal could be struck to share the profits as a part of the purchase price of Greenland, but so far Denmark has refused to negotiate and kind of deal with the US.

It becomes clearer and clearer that if Europe will not deal with the US on an issue as important as North America's defense, then there is really no reason for the US to remain in NATO.

1) Total BS. You have bases in Europe and you have no control over those countries.
2) Of course Denmark has refused to negotiate. You wake up tomorrow morning and Germany wants to buy Alaska. Are you going to negotiate or tell them to **** off?
3) What do you mean as important as North America's defense. You write my posts have no substance. What defense do you need? You have 1000s of nuclear warheads and 10 carrier battle groups. Stop being a dick. You're just a greedy **** who wants the US to rule the world. Name one - just one - 'empire' that has existed since the dawn of time and is still around. That is what you are setting yourself up for. TBH, I think half this shit with Trump and Greenland is just a distraction. Up until this point, all I see it the US eating itself. The vitriole from both sides is unworkable. There is bound to be another civil war sooner or later over ideology and I hope the left win. Not because I think they are that great but Trump is so much more worse. He is a tyrannical meglomaniac (or those around him are).

 

[Rogue AI]

It's called free trade. Thought the US was a champion of free trade. You don't like what Greenland is doing with China, offer them a better deal. Trading with China and having a military alliance with them are two different things. The US trades with China. You gonna invade yourselves? Don't forget - for the millionth time - Greenland is already protected militarily by NATO, and that includes the US.

What Greenland is doing is blackmail and extortion.

 

[Luckyone]

What Greenland is doing is blackmail and extortion.

Isn’t that exactly what Trump is doing?

“If you don’t capitulate to what I want, I will yak you by force”

 

[BrokeLoser]

What is the personal and economic benefit of getting Greenland for Americans. Will our economic, health, or income become better if we get it?

Trump said we need Greenland for our National Security:



but this map does not explain why we need it. After all, we have Alaska that is next to Russia, whereas Greenland is not close to Russia and even then, there are many other nations between Russia and Greenland and they are not supporting us taking over, even though if we took it over, they would have closer protection from us than they presently have:

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By getting Greenland, no Americans are going to get any additional benefits for their lives. In fact, the expense of getting Greenland and defending it (against Russia and China) would actually take away benefits we need, such lower cost of Health Insurance, etc.

AI Overview

If the U.S. were to acquire Greenland, Americans would likely lose stability in NATO alliances and international trust, face significant economic burdens from managing a remote territory with high social costs, risk retaliatory trade wars (tariffs) from European allies, and deal with potentially complex internal secessionist movements inspired by Greenland's own independence drive.

Why then should we (Americans) support Trump's own STRONG desire to take over Greenland if the only benefit is for supporting his ego?

Geographic strategy related to defense…much like Israel.

 

[Rogue AI]

Isn’t that exactly what Trump is doing?

“If you don’t capitulate to what I want, I will yak you by force”

Trump is applying aggressive diplomacy. The biggest difference is that we can back our play, they cannot.

 

[Luckyone]

Trump is applying aggressive diplomacy. The biggest difference is that we can back our play, they cannot.

He is using threats!