Is Drilling equivalent to Welfare?

[BrianH]

what american products dumb shit.

American Made Products and/or Services Made in USA

there's plenty of American products dumb shit Sr. Believe it or not, there's even gas stations that you can get your gas that was refined out of oil drilled right here in the U.S. The company itself may get some gas from overseas, but some companies get the majority of their gas from here.

 

[midcan5]

This was placed in the flame zone and locked, I still have no idea why?

[ I have been thinking about the price of oil, and the whimpering from the republicans and others. Oil prices are driven by supply, demand, and competition. Demand is driven by lifestyle. Now if a women cannot make a mistake and welfare participants cannot make a mistake then Americans who have made bad decisions regarding energy should suffer the same social darwinistic plight. So I guess I don't understand why republicans are blaming drilling, aka ruining our planet, for their own bad decisions.

Just as republicans and others complain about taxes, shouldn't citizens of the world complain about wasteful lifestyles that have the potential to ruin mother earth? It would seem from a moral point of view to be a fair conclusion. So again let me repeat my question, if we are irresponsible with energy then why the complaints? Didn't we create this situations? Answers welcome. ]

Additional thoughts:

It has to be clear to any thinking person that our energy usage is wasteful, our homes are too big, our cars are too big, and we live too far from work and each other. Having all this space is both a blessing and a curse.

Al Gore is now talking about a concerted effort to wean us off fossil fuels. Does anyone remember Jimmy Carter saying the same thing and being castigated for his honesty? Let's hope Americans see the light this time, but if prices go down, as they should, we will all return to our bubble until the next gnashing of teeth and finger pointing. But do this next time, point the finger at yourself if your life is one of wasted energy.

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PS the silliness of the 'drilling will reduce prices' propaganda is beyond stupid considering there are 68 million acres they aren't drilling now. Know why? Cause you fools are paying the price and there's plenty of the damned stuff available already.

Footnote: I have noticed some very angry conservatives recently, while that is not hard to understand given the failures of conservatism since Reagan, it is troubling as their only goal is bash the opponent, their own policies being a complete failure.



A vote for John McCain is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.

 

[midcan5]

Well, if we just sit here in limbo and do nothing about our energy we're gonna be in some serious trouble soon. I hate the "can't do" attitude that this country has become accustomed to. We can solve our problems but too many politicians are happy creating wedge issues to drive one against the other and we're the unfortunate beneficiaries of such lunacy. The problem is Washington.

Washington? or is it the power of corporate interests in Washington? Jimmy Carter once talked about this in a serious manner and he was criticized soundly. Have we changed, have corporations changed? Doubtful. Now Al Gore talks of it and Gore is another person who is criticized. Anyone notice a pattern here?

 

[Gunny]

This was placed in the flame zone and locked, I still have no idea why?

Try reading the last post in the thread in the flame zone. I spelled it out pretty well.

Once you post this, it is the intellectual property of USMB, and will be moved, closed or both or left open or otherwise regulated at moderator discretion. Obviously I had no problem with the thread itself or I would not have told you that you could repost it. But I'm even going to help you out a little.

 

[midcan5]

In the event of a shortage there would be chaos, wise words from a president often criticized but who had more sense than most.


"Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly.

It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century.

We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren.

We simply must balance our demand for energy with our rapidly shrinking resources. By acting now, we can control our future instead of letting the future control us.

Two days from now, I will present my energy proposals to the Congress. Its members will be my partners and they have already given me a great deal of valuable advice. Many of these proposals will be unpopular. Some will cause you to put up with inconveniences and to make sacrifices.

.....

The world has not prepared for the future. During the 1950s, people used twice as much oil as during the 1940s. During the 1960s, we used twice as much as during the 1950s. And in each of those decades, more oil was consumed than in all of mankind's previous history.

World consumption of oil is still going up. If it were possible to keep it rising during the 1970s and 1980s by 5 percent a year as it has in the past, we could use up all the proven reserves of oil in the entire world by the end of the next decade."

Jimmy Carter delivered this televised speech on April 18, 1977.

American Experience | Jimmy Carter | Primary Sources

 

[sealybobo]

American Made Products and/or Services Made in USA

there's plenty of American products dumb shit Sr. Believe it or not, there's even gas stations that you can get your gas that was refined out of oil drilled right here in the U.S. The company itself may get some gas from overseas, but some companies get the majority of their gas from here.

Silly man. Look around your home. You'll find everything is made outside the USA.

Gas stations? You mean the US gas stations like Exxon that are gouging us? HOw patriotic you are to buy from them, sucker.

Read this sucker.

According to ScrewThatBulb.org (Screw That Bulb), GE is asking consumers and its employees to sign a pledge to use compact fluorescent bulbs. Since GE makes incandescent bulbs in the U.S. and CFs are made in China, GE Lighting employees contend they're being forced to pledge to put themselves out of a job.

 

[Charles_Main]

Silly man. Look around your home. You'll find everything is made outside the USA.

Gas stations? You mean the US gas stations like Exxon that are gouging us? HOw patriotic you are to buy from them, sucker.

So where do you by your gas then??

 

[sealybobo]

So where do you by your gas then??

The cheapest gas station I can find!!!!!!

Fuck the oil companies.

But I only buy American made cars. And I have a Focus for the 35 miles to the gallon because I drive 70 miles round trip a day. I used to drive an F150 or sometimes a Ranger 4x4.

I always lease. Ford A Plan baby!!!

 

[sealybobo]

Of course it is not totally free, FDR and the Dems, and yes even the Republican have seen to that, but then it is still more free than many markets around the world.

Free markets. Translation. Let the consumers get gouged on necessities. The company lighting my home doesn't have competition. The cable companies and oil companies are in collution together.

The banks can not be trusted to regulate themselves.

Neither can the home loan industry, or credit card companies or telephone companies or health care companies.

Free markets. Free to fuck you in the #2 hole buddy.

 

[Charles_Main]

The cheapest gas station I can find!!!!!!

Fuck the oil companies.

But I only buy American made cars. And I have a Focus for the 35 miles to the gallon because I drive 70 miles round trip a day. I used to drive an F150 or sometimes a Ranger 4x4.

I always lease. Ford A Plan baby!!!

so you admit you buy your gas from the same place we all do, big oil.


oh Both cars I own are made in America

A Saturn SL1 and a Dodge Dakota which is rusting in the driveway because it costs to damn much to drive

 

[Charles_Main]

Free markets. Translation. Let the consumers get gouged on necessities. The company lighting my home doesn't have competition. The cable companies and oil companies are in collution together.

The banks can not be trusted to regulate themselves.

Neither can the home loan industry, or credit card companies or telephone companies or health care companies.

Free markets. Free to fuck you in the #2 hole buddy.

Yep, the idea is to get a good balance between free markets, and proper control and over sight of those markets.

 

[sealybobo]

Washington? or is it the power of corporate interests in Washington? Jimmy Carter once talked about this in a serious manner and he was criticized soundly. Have we changed, have corporations changed? Doubtful. Now Al Gore talks of it and Gore is another person who is criticized. Anyone notice a pattern here?

Exactly.

Ever see the movie There Will Be Blood? It's about an oil man from late 1800's to the Great Depression. Daniel Day Lewis. Pretty good movie. He was a self made man, but also ruthless!!!!

Here is my favorite line from the movie. This preacher wants to sell him a plot of land because he is desperate, because it is the great depression. This oil man already robbed him of land earlier in the movie. So the oil man makes the preacher yell, "there is no god and I'm a false profit", then he tells him that he has already taken the oil because he owns all the land surrounding it:

Plainview: I'm so sorry, here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!
[sucking sound]
Plainview: I drink it up!

And then the oil man killed the preacher with a bowling pin.

 

[sealybobo]

Yep, the idea is to get a good balance between free markets, and proper control and over sight of those markets.

oh my god!!! It wasn't you, but do you know how many right wing loonies have called me a socialist for saying that very same thing?

 

[Charles_Main]

oh my god!!! It wasn't you, but do you know how many right wing loonies have called me a socialist for saying that very same thing?

Well, despite what you may think I am no right wing loon. We live in the real world, were only practical solutions work, not blind devotion to your party of choice.

 

[BrianH]

Well, despite what you may think I am no right wing loon. We live in the real world, were only practical solutions work, not blind devotion to your party of choice.

 

[midcan5]

Well, despite what you may think I am no right wing loon. We live in the real world, were only practical solutions work, not blind devotion to your party of choice.

And when president Cheney met with oil executives in secret do you think they were planning 'practical solutions' that would help the average American?

 

[sealybobo]

And when president Cheney met with oil executives in secret do you think they were planning 'practical solutions' that would help the average American?

That's why Charlie is voting for Bob Barr. You know, the guy that harrassed Bill Clinton for 8 years even though he had a mistress himself? You know, the guy who with Ken Starr cost America millions of dollars for NOTHING.

But Bob is counting on the fact that voters have short memories.

And Charlie wants change and thinks Bob Barr is going to give it to him.

 

[sealybobo]

Why don't you switch up the Jim Carrey picture to something else?

 

[midcan5]

That's why Charlie is voting for Bob Barr. You know, the guy that harrassed Bill Clinton for 8 years even though he had a mistress himself? You know, the guy who with Ken Starr cost America millions of dollars for NOTHING.

But Bob is counting on the fact that voters have short memories.

And Charlie wants change and thinks Bob Barr is going to give it to him.

I agree, Barr has the charisma of a tired drunk railing against the perils of drinking.

 

[Charles_Main]

I just love how Bobo continues to tell people why I am voting for Barr, ignoring what I have said repeatedly. I am voting for him in the hopes of giving the LP a boost, and sending a message to the Republican party that Conservatives have had it with them.

I have said on several occasions if I actually thought Barr could win, I would rethink my vote.

Not at all shocking that Bobo would make false claims about me again though. He does it all the time.