Is climate change a "contentious" issue ? Really ?

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Let me know what you think about this. Maybe I am seeing it wrong.

Whoever wrote that was too embarrassed to attach their name? ...

It's an interesting line of research ... the O-18 data is quite noisy ... some combination of instrumentation error and dynamic contamination ... I think we need better data before we can make any broad based conclusions ... natural variations within an ice age seem common ... perhaps at best this is a part of a counter-argument against the "unprecedented" temperature rise ... this data shows clearly there's plenty of precedence ... but how good it the data? ... it really doesn't line up with the ∆T data ... I'd look for other causes that effect the O-18 levels ...

Sand deposits on the Atlantic floor? ... "Since the thermohaline circulation plays an important role in transporting heat northward, a slowdown would cause the North Atlantic to cool." ... I wouldn't have put my name on this blurb either ... so I'd use the Heinrich data cautiously ... the thermohaline circulation is tossed around like some magic spell that causes stuff ... but this is centuries if not millennia per circuit ... nanofurlongs per fortnight ... the wind-driven surface currents are closer to kilofurlongs per fortnight ... which has an effect on day-to-day weather and which is nothing to speak about, in terms of heat transport? ...

Sorry ... maybe "thermohaline circulation" isn't quite a RED FLAG for fake news ... but I suggest throwing a YELLOW FLAG ... this above is a good example of how it can be used to deceive an unsuspicious public ... it isn't "thermal", it's strictly "haline" ... and slow, a mile per year ...
We see the same wild swings in all of the data in the last glacial cycle. These are not anomalies. These are signs of how sensitive our planet is for northern hemisphere glaciation. It goes to show how precarious our climate is with our current land mass, ocean circulation and atmospheric configurations. Never before has the planet had a configuration like this. It is only a recent development. Every single piece of data points to a system that is poised for the triggering of bipolar glaciation. The rapid changes during the last ice age from cold to warm to cold again - over mere decades - can't be discounted. It is proof that today's climate configuration is more susceptible to changes in orbital cycles, ocean circulation, jet stream, etc. than ever before because the background conditions - which never existed before - allow for bipolar glaciation.
 

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Everyone agrees the climate changes over time. What is disagreed upon is the degree human activity has upon said change, and, more importantly, what should be done politically in response.
 

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We see the same wild swings in all of the data in the last glacial cycle. These are not anomalies. These are signs of how sensitive our planet is for northern hemisphere glaciation. It goes to show how precarious our climate is with our current land mass, ocean circulation and atmospheric configurations. Never before has the planet had a configuration like this. It is only a recent development. Every single piece of data points to a system that is poised for the triggering of bipolar glaciation. The rapid changes during the last ice age from cold to warm to cold again - over mere decades - can't be discounted. It is proof that today's climate configuration is more susceptible to changes in orbital cycles, ocean circulation, jet stream, etc. than ever before because the background conditions - which never existed before - allow for bipolar glaciation.
Or it could be dynamic contamination ... the idea behind climatology is to average out the wide variety of oscillations in the system ... with a 100 year average, it's safe to say all 10 year period cycles disappear from the data ... and we have a level of validity comparing these 100 year averages ... but with 100 year cycles, we need 1,000 year averages and a few of those to compare ... hard data we don't have ...

One truism about weather data is that it's all over the place ... crazy up-and-down ... thus we can say this data has rather large standard deviation ... any datum well removed from average is expected and normal ... no reason the ice core data should be any different ... today's run up on temperatures is just another zig after a zag ...

I do agree on top of the crazy wild jagged and completely natural curve, man-kind does add a share ... but how much is anybody's guess ... we can't even establish CO2 effects on temperature in the lab ... anyone who says man contributes such-and-such to global warming is getting a fat paycheck to read that off a script ... follow by an ad for that new anxiety medicine that doesn't cause gout like the last one did ...

The Hystericals don't believe a word they say ... burning coal to post about the evil of burning coal ... ask them to ditch their A/C and 90% of out freak out, "it's a global problem, not mine" ... if you can't live without A/C, I'd suggest you're evolving the wrong direction ... or foolishly moving into the desert belts ... (here's a clue, if trees don't live there, neither should you) ... they know perfectly well this is all trivial but they just got to be afraid of something ... like my mom being deathly afraid of flipping through the air 6 or 7 times in her rig ... people just got to be challenged somehow ...

The good news ... and the same good news about Asteroids Attacks ... is that good quality research is going on ... today we have almost complete clarity about everything floating around our solar system, many deeper understands have be obtained about the formation and evolution ... things we now look for in other star systems ... 25 years from now, matters climatological will be far more advanced, and this all translates very well into day-to-day weather forecasts ... Billy_Bob has one thing right, forecasts today are shit ...

I digress ...

The primary waveform in the ice core data is clearly a saw-tooth wave ... exactly like the discharge wave from a capacitor with an AC input ... coincidence? ... correlation? ... something in the system that can quickly gain energy, but releases it slowly ... and some mechanism to provide the up-and-down energy input ... something did this, frankly, until we know it seems foolish to try to predicted where it's going ...

In fact, my mother did go flipping end-for-end in her rig ... she confided to me that the third time seemed normal, didn't scare her at all ... that's when she began to worry ...
 

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We see the same wild swings in all of the data in the last glacial cycle. These are not anomalies. These are signs of how sensitive our planet is for northern hemisphere glaciation. It goes to show how precarious our climate is with our current land mass, ocean circulation and atmospheric configurations. Never before has the planet had a configuration like this. It is only a recent development. Every single piece of data points to a system that is poised for the triggering of bipolar glaciation. The rapid changes during the last ice age from cold to warm to cold again - over mere decades - can't be discounted. It is proof that today's climate configuration is more susceptible to changes in orbital cycles, ocean circulation, jet stream, etc. than ever before because the background conditions - which never existed before - allow for bipolar glaciation.
Or it could be dynamic contamination ... the idea behind climatology is to average out the wide variety of oscillations in the system ... with a 100 year average, it's safe to say all 10 year period cycles disappear from the data ... and we have a level of validity comparing these 100 year averages ... but with 100 year cycles, we need 1,000 year averages and a few of those to compare ... hard data we don't have ...

One truism about weather data is that it's all over the place ... crazy up-and-down ... thus we can say this data has rather large standard deviation ... any datum well removed from average is expected and normal ... no reason the ice core data should be any different ... today's run up on temperatures is just another zig after a zag ...

I do agree on top of the crazy wild jagged and completely natural curve, man-kind does add a share ... but how much is anybody's guess ... we can't even establish CO2 effects on temperature in the lab ... anyone who says man contributes such-and-such to global warming is getting a fat paycheck to read that off a script ... follow by an ad for that new anxiety medicine that doesn't cause gout like the last one did ...

The Hystericals don't believe a word they say ... burning coal to post about the evil of burning coal ... ask them to ditch their A/C and 90% of out freak out, "it's a global problem, not mine" ... if you can't live without A/C, I'd suggest you're evolving the wrong direction ... or foolishly moving into the desert belts ... (here's a clue, if trees don't live there, neither should you) ... they know perfectly well this is all trivial but they just got to be afraid of something ... like my mom being deathly afraid of flipping through the air 6 or 7 times in her rig ... people just got to be challenged somehow ...

The good news ... and the same good news about Asteroids Attacks ... is that good quality research is going on ... today we have almost complete clarity about everything floating around our solar system, many deeper understands have be obtained about the formation and evolution ... things we now look for in other star systems ... 25 years from now, matters climatological will be far more advanced, and this all translates very well into day-to-day weather forecasts ... Billy_Bob has one thing right, forecasts today are shit ...

I digress ...

The primary waveform in the ice core data is clearly a saw-tooth wave ... exactly like the discharge wave from a capacitor with an AC input ... coincidence? ... correlation? ... something in the system that can quickly gain energy, but releases it slowly ... and some mechanism to provide the up-and-down energy input ... something did this, frankly, until we know it seems foolish to try to predicted where it's going ...

In fact, my mother did go flipping end-for-end in her rig ... she confided to me that the third time seemed normal, didn't scare her at all ... that's when she began to worry ...
I guess it could be dynamic contamination but when I look at the oxygen isotope curve for the last 10 million years I can see an obvious slope change which we know had to do with the transition from a greenhouse world to an icehouse world. And as that transition was made we can see more frequent swings in the oxygen isotope curve. So I believe the swings between warmer and cooler climates the last 3 million years ago are real and are artifacts of the transition from a greenhouse world to an ice house world. So it seems reasonable to me that increased glaciation in the northern hemisphere is responsible for those swings in temperatures. And that is primarily due to the background conditions of the polar regions being isolated from warm marine currents and atmospheric CO2 being relatively close to the glaciation threshold of the north pole.

Anyway... what do I know :dunno:

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Everyone agrees the climate changes over time. What is disagreed upon is the degree human activity has upon said change, and, more importantly, what should be done politically in response.
Actually, everyone sane knows climates change over time. That's just deliberate distraction. Deniers deny that humans can cause any and certainly object to any related legislation that may threaten butterfly wing fluctuations in their oil stock share prices
 

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Everyone agrees the climate changes over time. What is disagreed upon is the degree human activity has upon said change, and, more importantly, what should be done politically in response.
Actually, everyone sane knows climates change over time. That's just deliberate distraction. Deniers deny that humans can cause any and certainly object to any related legislation that may threaten butterfly wing fluctuations in their oil stock share prices
Actually... the argument of this "denier" is that from past climate changes CO2 has not been shown to drive climate change, CO2 has been shown to reinforce climate change. AND that the background conditions for northern hemisphere glaciation still exist today. And that the severity of the impact of northern hemisphere glaciation dwarfs the impact of atmospheric CO2 being 580 ppm by the year 2100. And that the background conditions for northern hemisphere glaciation would not exist with an atmospheric CO2 of 580 ppm. So this "denier" does not see the same risk as you.
 

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We see the same wild swings in all of the data in the last glacial cycle. These are not anomalies. These are signs of how sensitive our planet is for northern hemisphere glaciation. It goes to show how precarious our climate is with our current land mass, ocean circulation and atmospheric configurations. Never before has the planet had a configuration like this. It is only a recent development. Every single piece of data points to a system that is poised for the triggering of bipolar glaciation. The rapid changes during the last ice age from cold to warm to cold again - over mere decades - can't be discounted. It is proof that today's climate configuration is more susceptible to changes in orbital cycles, ocean circulation, jet stream, etc. than ever before because the background conditions - which never existed before - allow for bipolar glaciation.
Or it could be dynamic contamination ... the idea behind climatology is to average out the wide variety of oscillations in the system ... with a 100 year average, it's safe to say all 10 year period cycles disappear from the data ... and we have a level of validity comparing these 100 year averages ... but with 100 year cycles, we need 1,000 year averages and a few of those to compare ... hard data we don't have ...

One truism about weather data is that it's all over the place ... crazy up-and-down ... thus we can say this data has rather large standard deviation ... any datum well removed from average is expected and normal ... no reason the ice core data should be any different ... today's run up on temperatures is just another zig after a zag ...

I do agree on top of the crazy wild jagged and completely natural curve, man-kind does add a share ... but how much is anybody's guess ... we can't even establish CO2 effects on temperature in the lab ... anyone who says man contributes such-and-such to global warming is getting a fat paycheck to read that off a script ... follow by an ad for that new anxiety medicine that doesn't cause gout like the last one did ...

The Hystericals don't believe a word they say ... burning coal to post about the evil of burning coal ... ask them to ditch their A/C and 90% of out freak out, "it's a global problem, not mine" ... if you can't live without A/C, I'd suggest you're evolving the wrong direction ... or foolishly moving into the desert belts ... (here's a clue, if trees don't live there, neither should you) ... they know perfectly well this is all trivial but they just got to be afraid of something ... like my mom being deathly afraid of flipping through the air 6 or 7 times in her rig ... people just got to be challenged somehow ...

The good news ... and the same good news about Asteroids Attacks ... is that good quality research is going on ... today we have almost complete clarity about everything floating around our solar system, many deeper understands have be obtained about the formation and evolution ... things we now look for in other star systems ... 25 years from now, matters climatological will be far more advanced, and this all translates very well into day-to-day weather forecasts ... Billy_Bob has one thing right, forecasts today are shit ...

I digress ...

The primary waveform in the ice core data is clearly a saw-tooth wave ... exactly like the discharge wave from a capacitor with an AC input ... coincidence? ... correlation? ... something in the system that can quickly gain energy, but releases it slowly ... and some mechanism to provide the up-and-down energy input ... something did this, frankly, until we know it seems foolish to try to predicted where it's going ...

In fact, my mother did go flipping end-for-end in her rig ... she confided to me that the third time seemed normal, didn't scare her at all ... that's when she began to worry ...
Just adding a curve with the correlation with carbon isotope and a useful temperature scale.
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