Is Bernie Sanders a socialist... or a communist?

[georgephillip]

Easy to recommend moving to socialist hell hole for you moochers. At least you are finally admitting he (and you?) is a socialist.

Trump represents the biggest moocher class on the planet, i.e, greedy investors with the morality of cancer cells.

I never denied my preference for socialism or Bernie's self-described democratic socialism; you were the one who labelled him a communist in your OP, remember?

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

"Democratic socialists believe the fundamental issues with capitalism are systemic in nature and can only be resolved by replacing the capitalist mode of production with that of socialism, i.e. by replacing private ownership with collective ownership of the means of production and extending democracy to the economic sphere."

 

[Norman]

Easy to recommend moving to socialist hell hole for you moochers. At least you are finally admitting he (and you?) is a socialist.

Trump represents the biggest moocher class on the planet, i.e, greedy investors with the morality of cancer cells.

I never denied my preference for socialism or Bernie's self-described democratic socialism; you were the one who labelled him a communist in your OP, remember?

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

"Democratic socialists believe the fundamental issues with capitalism are systemic in nature and can only be resolved by replacing the capitalist mode of production with that of socialism, i.e. by replacing private ownership with collective ownership of the means of production and extending democracy to the economic sphere."

Why bother with America if you prefer socialism. We will never be a socialist nation. You can move to the much superior socialist nation at any time as you please. We love it here, freedom is best.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Is socialist Sanders a communist? Here is what NY post has to say.

"He’s not even a socialist. He’s a communist.

Mainstreaming Sanders requires whitewashing his radical pro-communist past. It won’t be easy to do.

Rewind to 1964.

While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”

This subversive hero of Sanders, denounced even by liberal Democrats as a “traitor,” bashed “the barons of Wall Street” and hailed the “triumphant” Bolshevik revolution in Russia.

“Those Russian comrades of ours have made greater sacrifices, have suffered more, and have shed more heroic blood than any like number of men and women anywhere on Earth,” Debs proclaimed. “They have laid the foundation of the first real democracy that ever drew the breath of life in this world.”

Sanders still hangs a portrait of Debs on the wall in his Senate office.

In the early ’70s, Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies.

After failed runs for Congress, Sanders in 1981 managed to get elected mayor of Burlington, Vt., where he restricted property rights for landlords, set price controls and raised property taxes to pay for communal land trusts. Local small businesses distributed fliers complaining their new mayor “does not believe in free enterprise.”

Sanders took several “goodwill” trips not only to the USSR, but also to Cuba and Nicaragua, where the Soviets were trying to expand their influence in our hemisphere.

In 1985, he traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government. He called it a “heroic revolution.” Undermining anti-communist US policy, Sanders denounced the Reagan administration’s backing of the Contra rebels in a letter to the Sandinistas.

Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.

Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.”

Today, Sanders wants to bring what he admired in the USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua and other communist states to America.

For starters, he proposes completely nationalizing our health care system and putting private health insurance and drug companies “out of business.” He also wants to break up “big banks” and control the energy industry, while providing “free” college tuition, a “living wage” and guaranteed homeownership and jobs through massive public works projects. Price tag: $18 trillion.

What about those communist sister cities he adopted? “Bernie established them to support people-to-people exchanges which might support peace in the long run,” said Bruce Seifer, who was one of Sanders’ central economic planners directing Burlington businesses to “reinvest their profits in the community.”

In an interview, Seifer claimed that it was “no different than President Nixon opening relations with China.”

Please. Sanders and his Sanderistas are all still pining for what Debs called “the Greater Revolution yet to come.”

https://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/

Sanders like Cortez are communists on the Trotsky level and if anyone disagree, so be it but it is the damn truth!

 

[georgephillip]

Systemic transformation from Americanism to socialism.

Yeah, that sounds really awesome and not at all totalitarian. Just like everywhere it has been tried.

Where would that be exactly?

David King's answer to What is a democratic socialist? - Quora

"Democratic Socialism is basically just Socialism achieved through democratic means, or in other words,

"Socialism that intends to be implemented by playing by the bourgeois governments rules.

"They want to scrap capitalism but through a democratic overtaking of the system, i.e. political elections rather than revolution to install Socialism, whereby the workers owns the means of production and private property is abolished. (Socialism is inherently democratic, so the name is a double emphasis in this regard)."

 

[dblack]

Neither. "Democratic Socialist". I know y'all wish that qualifier weren't there, but it always has been.

Yeah. Exactly. Let's talk about Democratic Socialism. What does it meant to you? Because I don't see much consensus on that from liberals.

 

[dblack]

Systemic transformation from Americanism to socialism.

Yeah, that sounds really awesome and not at all totalitarian. Just like everywhere it has been tried.

Where would that be exactly?

David King's answer to What is a democratic socialist? - Quora

"Democratic Socialism is basically just Socialism achieved through democratic means, or in other words,

"Socialism that intends to be implemented by playing by the bourgeois governments rules.

"They want to scrap capitalism but through a democratic overtaking of the system, i.e. political elections rather than revolution to install Socialism, whereby the workers owns the means of production and private property is abolished. (Socialism is inherently democratic, so the name is a double emphasis in this regard)."

Exactly. Democratic Socialism is no less totalitarian than normal socialism. They just take a vote first. I can't care about that distinction.

 

[dblack]

What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

What is Democratic Socialism?
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US.

 

[georgephillip]

I am actually terrified that 33% of Americans are brain dead, ignorant and/or indoctrinated enough to believe that Socialism is a good thing. It is an indictment of public educational system. Kids attending private school are light years ahead in both emotional maturity and education.

Socialism offers the possibility of a more humane economic system than US capitalism which simply preserves the rule of a few ( masters, lords, owners) over the vast majority of economic participants (slaves, serfs, workers).

Democratic socialism begins in the workplace where most adults spend a majority of their waking hours.

Instead of a relative handful of major shareholders, greedy executives, and members of a board of directors deciding what to produce, where to produce it, and what to do with any profits, democratic socialism will substitute the majority of workers as well as other stakeholders as the ultimate source of decision making.

Capitalists, not socialists, pose the greatest threat to capitalism

"While socialists float aspirational ideas for a better society, capitalists conspire with the political class to enact policies that benefit the political and economic elite at the expense of the masses.

"The result is that business profitability increasingly comes from political connections rather than by satisfying the demands of consumers, undermining free markets and the capitalist system."

 

[georgephillip]

Pure idiocy and indoctrination.

Pure projection and ignorance.

Understanding Socialism - Richard Wolff with KPFA in Berkeley CA

"...Understanding Socialism is an honest and approachable text that knocks down false narratives, confronts failures, and offers a path to a new socialism based on workplace democracy.

"Understanding Socialism not only explains what socialism is and has meant to various proponents, it also looks at the past transition from feudalism to capitalism as a model to help us visualize the next transition out of capitalism.

"It explores how socialist theory was used and applied to shape the histories of countries like Russia and China principally, and many other countries in smaller but important ways.

"It analyzes the successes and defeats of those countries, the world’s reactions to them (anti-socialism and fascism), and how all of those factors offer important lessons for the building of a 21st century socialism."

 

[georgephillip]

Yeah, that sounds really awesome and not at all totalitarian. Just like everywhere it has been tried.

Your ignorance is epic.

Democratic Socialism Vs. Unfettered Capitalism: There Is No Comparison

 

[georgephillip]

His actions define his intentions, his hypocrisy, contempt for the system that made him a multimillionaire. Sanders is a worthless person.

Bernie might respond...

Fear is the most powerful tool! : socialism

 

[Norman]

His actions define his intentions, his hypocrisy, contempt for the system that made him a multimillionaire. Sanders is a worthless person.

Bernie might respond...

Fear is the most powerful tool! : socialism

Reality:
This is one of the richest countries on the planet. If you failed, it was because you are a failure.

 

[Norman]

Yeah, that sounds really awesome and not at all totalitarian. Just like everywhere it has been tried.

Your ignorance is epic.

Democratic Socialism Vs. Unfettered Capitalism: There Is No Comparison

Norway is democratic socialism?

Funny no one in Norway has noticed they are socialist. They are VERY white though.

 

[Ringtone]

Socialism, communism: same thing.


Socialism/Communism = spreading economic ruin, political oppression and misery . . . equally among the ruled.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Easy to recommend moving to socialist hell hole for you moochers. At least you are finally admitting he (and you?) is a socialist.

Trump represents the biggest moocher class on the planet, i.e, greedy investors with the morality of cancer cells.

I never denied my preference for socialism or Bernie's self-described democratic socialism; you were the one who labelled him a communist in your OP, remember?

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

"Democratic socialists believe the fundamental issues with capitalism are systemic in nature and can only be resolved by replacing the capitalist mode of production with that of socialism, i.e. by replacing private ownership with collective ownership of the means of production and extending democracy to the economic sphere."

Why bother with America if you prefer socialism. We will never be a socialist nation. You can move to the much superior socialist nation at any time as you please. We love it here, freedom is best.

Actually elements of socialism have been part of the fabric of our economic system for about the last 120 years. Google the "progressive movement"

 

[dblack]

Easy to recommend moving to socialist hell hole for you moochers. At least you are finally admitting he (and you?) is a socialist.

Trump represents the biggest moocher class on the planet, i.e, greedy investors with the morality of cancer cells.

I never denied my preference for socialism or Bernie's self-described democratic socialism; you were the one who labelled him a communist in your OP, remember?

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

"Democratic socialists believe the fundamental issues with capitalism are systemic in nature and can only be resolved by replacing the capitalist mode of production with that of socialism, i.e. by replacing private ownership with collective ownership of the means of production and extending democracy to the economic sphere."

Why bother with America if you prefer socialism. We will never be a socialist nation. You can move to the much superior socialist nation at any time as you please. We love it here, freedom is best.

Actually elements of socialism have been part of the fabric of our economic system for about the last 120 years. Google the "progressive movement"

Yep. Mistakes have been made. Google "free shit" and "Stalin".

 

[georgephillip]

Yeah, that sounds really awesome and not at all totalitarian. Just like everywhere it has been tried.

You've been brainwashed.
Luckily, a new generation of Americans isn't buying your capitalist lies:

Millennial socialists want to shake up the economy and save the climate

 

[Norman]

Yeah, that sounds really awesome and not at all totalitarian. Just like everywhere it has been tried.

You've been brainwashed.
Luckily, a new generation of Americans isn't buying your capitalist lies:

Millennial socialists want to shake up the economy and save the climate

This is not the new generation, but the new democrats that the party has imported into the country + the brainwashed morons.

Obviously what they are planning is completely anti-American and unworkable for that matter. We need secession, these people need their own crapholes to play with socialism in.

We already knew though that democrats have gone off the rails left.

 

[Shawnee_b]

Poll suks, you left out lazy fuking nut case

 

[georgephillip]

His actions define his intentions, his hypocrisy, contempt for the system that made him a multimillionaire. Sanders is a worthless person.

Sanders is worth about $2.5 million.
How does that compare to Trump?
How many times has Bernie been sued?
How many tax liens has Bernie suffered?

Legal affairs of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

"An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate...."

"Trump's companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and on 'at least three dozen' occasions the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance has obtained tax liens against Trump properties for nonpayment of taxes.[1]..."

"...the USA Today analysis in 2016 found that Trump had been involved in legal disputes more than Edward J. DeBartolo Jr., Donald Bren, Stephen M. Ross, Sam Zell, and Larry Silverstein combined."