Is Bernie Sanders a socialist... or a communist?

[Oddball]

 

[Oddball]

 

[Norman]

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Sanders wins another state. Is the democrat party going full communist?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Is socialist Sanders a communist? Here is what NY post has to say.

"He’s not even a socialist. He’s a communist.

Mainstreaming Sanders requires whitewashing his radical pro-communist past. It won’t be easy to do.

Rewind to 1964.

While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”

This subversive hero of Sanders, denounced even by liberal Democrats as a “traitor,” bashed “the barons of Wall Street” and hailed the “triumphant” Bolshevik revolution in Russia.

“Those Russian comrades of ours have made greater sacrifices, have suffered more, and have shed more heroic blood than any like number of men and women anywhere on Earth,” Debs proclaimed. “They have laid the foundation of the first real democracy that ever drew the breath of life in this world.”

Sanders still hangs a portrait of Debs on the wall in his Senate office.

In the early ’70s, Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies.

After failed runs for Congress, Sanders in 1981 managed to get elected mayor of Burlington, Vt., where he restricted property rights for landlords, set price controls and raised property taxes to pay for communal land trusts. Local small businesses distributed fliers complaining their new mayor “does not believe in free enterprise.”

Sanders took several “goodwill” trips not only to the USSR, but also to Cuba and Nicaragua, where the Soviets were trying to expand their influence in our hemisphere.

In 1985, he traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government. He called it a “heroic revolution.” Undermining anti-communist US policy, Sanders denounced the Reagan administration’s backing of the Contra rebels in a letter to the Sandinistas.

Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.

Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.”

Today, Sanders wants to bring what he admired in the USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua and other communist states to America.

For starters, he proposes completely nationalizing our health care system and putting private health insurance and drug companies “out of business.” He also wants to break up “big banks” and control the energy industry, while providing “free” college tuition, a “living wage” and guaranteed homeownership and jobs through massive public works projects. Price tag: $18 trillion.

What about those communist sister cities he adopted? “Bernie established them to support people-to-people exchanges which might support peace in the long run,” said Bruce Seifer, who was one of Sanders’ central economic planners directing Burlington businesses to “reinvest their profits in the community.”

In an interview, Seifer claimed that it was “no different than President Nixon opening relations with China.”

Please. Sanders and his Sanderistas are all still pining for what Debs called “the Greater Revolution yet to come.”

https://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/

It is not useful to pin an emotionally and politically charged label on someone, or to rehash their past political affiliations and positions. A better question, which a challenge you to answer is: How does his current policy positions and platform hurt or benefit the average American?. How do they effect the various socio-economic groups and minorities, and the country as a whole? You might also want to address the issue of what this country stands for and what you want it to be. And elitist oligarchy or a country for all people?

 

[georgephillip]

Is socialist Sanders a communist? Here is what NY post has to say.

"He’s not even a socialist. He’s a communist.

Mainstreaming Sanders requires whitewashing his radical pro-communist past. It won’t be easy to do.

Rewind to 1964.

While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”

This subversive hero of Sanders, denounced even by liberal Democrats as a “traitor,” bashed “the barons of Wall Street” and hailed the “triumphant” Bolshevik revolution in Russia.

“Those Russian comrades of ours have made greater sacrifices, have suffered more, and have shed more heroic blood than any like number of men and women anywhere on Earth,” Debs proclaimed. “They have laid the foundation of the first real democracy that ever drew the breath of life in this world.”

Sanders still hangs a portrait of Debs on the wall in his Senate office.

In the early ’70s, Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies.

After failed runs for Congress, Sanders in 1981 managed to get elected mayor of Burlington, Vt., where he restricted property rights for landlords, set price controls and raised property taxes to pay for communal land trusts. Local small businesses distributed fliers complaining their new mayor “does not believe in free enterprise.”

Sanders took several “goodwill” trips not only to the USSR, but also to Cuba and Nicaragua, where the Soviets were trying to expand their influence in our hemisphere.

In 1985, he traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government. He called it a “heroic revolution.” Undermining anti-communist US policy, Sanders denounced the Reagan administration’s backing of the Contra rebels in a letter to the Sandinistas.

Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.

Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.”

Today, Sanders wants to bring what he admired in the USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua and other communist states to America.

For starters, he proposes completely nationalizing our health care system and putting private health insurance and drug companies “out of business.” He also wants to break up “big banks” and control the energy industry, while providing “free” college tuition, a “living wage” and guaranteed homeownership and jobs through massive public works projects. Price tag: $18 trillion.

What about those communist sister cities he adopted? “Bernie established them to support people-to-people exchanges which might support peace in the long run,” said Bruce Seifer, who was one of Sanders’ central economic planners directing Burlington businesses to “reinvest their profits in the community.”

In an interview, Seifer claimed that it was “no different than President Nixon opening relations with China.”

Please. Sanders and his Sanderistas are all still pining for what Debs called “the Greater Revolution yet to come.”

https://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/

What do real socialists say about Bernie?

U.S. Intelligence agencies meddle in Nevada primary to sabotage Sanders

"This ruling class opposition to Sanders is not so much about Sanders himself—a longtime ally of the Democratic Party and loyal defender of American imperialism—as about concerns over the growth of anti-capitalist and pro-socialist sentiment and the upsurge in the class struggle of which Sanders is the initial beneficiary.

"The financial oligarchy is incensed and frightened by Sanders’ calls for modest increases in its taxes, his talk of ending private health insurance and reining in the profits of the pharmaceutical giants, and his appeals to popular anger over the staggering levels of social inequality."

Class war is breaking out in the heart of capitalism; Trump and Sanders are simply the first political pawns.

 

[Norman]

Is socialist Sanders a communist? Here is what NY post has to say.

"He’s not even a socialist. He’s a communist.

Mainstreaming Sanders requires whitewashing his radical pro-communist past. It won’t be easy to do.

Rewind to 1964.

While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”

This subversive hero of Sanders, denounced even by liberal Democrats as a “traitor,” bashed “the barons of Wall Street” and hailed the “triumphant” Bolshevik revolution in Russia.

“Those Russian comrades of ours have made greater sacrifices, have suffered more, and have shed more heroic blood than any like number of men and women anywhere on Earth,” Debs proclaimed. “They have laid the foundation of the first real democracy that ever drew the breath of life in this world.”

Sanders still hangs a portrait of Debs on the wall in his Senate office.

In the early ’70s, Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies.

After failed runs for Congress, Sanders in 1981 managed to get elected mayor of Burlington, Vt., where he restricted property rights for landlords, set price controls and raised property taxes to pay for communal land trusts. Local small businesses distributed fliers complaining their new mayor “does not believe in free enterprise.”

Sanders took several “goodwill” trips not only to the USSR, but also to Cuba and Nicaragua, where the Soviets were trying to expand their influence in our hemisphere.

In 1985, he traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government. He called it a “heroic revolution.” Undermining anti-communist US policy, Sanders denounced the Reagan administration’s backing of the Contra rebels in a letter to the Sandinistas.

Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.

Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.”

Today, Sanders wants to bring what he admired in the USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua and other communist states to America.

For starters, he proposes completely nationalizing our health care system and putting private health insurance and drug companies “out of business.” He also wants to break up “big banks” and control the energy industry, while providing “free” college tuition, a “living wage” and guaranteed homeownership and jobs through massive public works projects. Price tag: $18 trillion.

What about those communist sister cities he adopted? “Bernie established them to support people-to-people exchanges which might support peace in the long run,” said Bruce Seifer, who was one of Sanders’ central economic planners directing Burlington businesses to “reinvest their profits in the community.”

In an interview, Seifer claimed that it was “no different than President Nixon opening relations with China.”

Please. Sanders and his Sanderistas are all still pining for what Debs called “the Greater Revolution yet to come.”

https://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/

What do real socialists say about Bernie?

U.S. Intelligence agencies meddle in Nevada primary to sabotage Sanders

"This ruling class opposition to Sanders is not so much about Sanders himself—a longtime ally of the Democratic Party and loyal defender of American imperialism—as about concerns over the growth of anti-capitalist and pro-socialist sentiment and the upsurge in the class struggle of which Sanders is the initial beneficiary.

"The financial oligarchy is incensed and frightened by Sanders’ calls for modest increases in its taxes, his talk of ending private health insurance and reining in the profits of the pharmaceutical giants, and his appeals to popular anger over the staggering levels of social inequality."

Class war is breaking out in the heart of capitalism; Trump and Sanders are simply the first political pawns.

I do think democrats are more liars than communists, with some may be buying more of the nonsense than others. Mostly it is about pandering.

Sanders is a real socialist.

 

[georgephillip]

Sanders is a real socialist

Then why is he against nationalizing the banks and prosecuting the many Wall Street parasites who strangle the US economy with ever-rising levels of debt?

The New Rules of the Game

"Sanders, unlike many more radical socialists, does not propose nationalizing the banks and the fossil fuel and arms industries.

"He does not call for the criminal prosecution of the financial elites who trashed the global economy or the politicians and generals who lied to launch preemptive wars, defined under international law as criminal wars of aggression, which have devastated much of the Middle East, resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead and millions of refugees and displaced people, and cost the nation between $5 trillion and $7 trillion."

 

[Norman]

Sanders is a real socialist

Then why is he against nationalizing the banks and prosecuting the many Wall Street parasites who strangle the US economy with ever-rising levels of debt?

The New Rules of the Game

"Sanders, unlike many more radical socialists, does not propose nationalizing the banks and the fossil fuel and arms industries.

"He does not call for the criminal prosecution of the financial elites who trashed the global economy or the politicians and generals who lied to launch preemptive wars, defined under international law as criminal wars of aggression, which have devastated much of the Middle East, resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead and millions of refugees and displaced people, and cost the nation between $5 trillion and $7 trillion."

He has admitted to being a socialist. Not that it isn't written all over him in the first place.

 

[Toro]

He’s left enough that I’ll be voting for Trump

 

[georgephillip]

Sanders is a real socialist

Then why is he against nationalizing the banks and prosecuting the many Wall Street parasites who strangle the US economy with ever-rising levels of debt?

The New Rules of the Game

"Sanders, unlike many more radical socialists, does not propose nationalizing the banks and the fossil fuel and arms industries.

"He does not call for the criminal prosecution of the financial elites who trashed the global economy or the politicians and generals who lied to launch preemptive wars, defined under international law as criminal wars of aggression, which have devastated much of the Middle East, resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead and millions of refugees and displaced people, and cost the nation between $5 trillion and $7 trillion."

He has admitted to being a socialist. Not that it isn't written all over him in the first place.

He has admitted to being a socialist. Not that it isn't written all over him in the first place.

Why did he support the war against Iraq in 1990 if he's a socialist?

Your OP mentioned Eugene V Debs who went to prison for opposing US involvement in WWI. If Bernie was an authentic socialist he would oppose ALL wars of capitalist aggression.

Bernie the Bomber’s Bad Week – Liberty Union Party

"Bernie became an imperialist to get elected in 1990.

"In August, 1990–after the Bush administration enticed Iraq into
invading Kuwait–Sanders said he wasn’t 'going to let some damn
war cost him the election,' according to a staff member who was
present at the time.

"So Sanders backed the buildup in the Persian Gulf
and dumped on the left anti-imperialist peace movement, singling
out his former allies like Dave Dellinger for public criticism."

 

[Norman]

Sanders is a real socialist

Then why is he against nationalizing the banks and prosecuting the many Wall Street parasites who strangle the US economy with ever-rising levels of debt?

The New Rules of the Game

"Sanders, unlike many more radical socialists, does not propose nationalizing the banks and the fossil fuel and arms industries.

"He does not call for the criminal prosecution of the financial elites who trashed the global economy or the politicians and generals who lied to launch preemptive wars, defined under international law as criminal wars of aggression, which have devastated much of the Middle East, resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead and millions of refugees and displaced people, and cost the nation between $5 trillion and $7 trillion."

He has admitted to being a socialist. Not that it isn't written all over him in the first place.

He has admitted to being a socialist. Not that it isn't written all over him in the first place.

Why did he support the war against Iraq in 1990 if he's a socialist?

Your OP mentioned Eugene V Debs who went to prison for opposing US involvement in WWI. If Bernie was an authentic socialist he would oppose ALL wars of capitalist aggression.

Bernie the Bomber’s Bad Week – Liberty Union Party

"Bernie became an imperialist to get elected in 1990.

"In August, 1990–after the Bush administration enticed Iraq into
invading Kuwait–Sanders said he wasn’t 'going to let some damn
war cost him the election,' according to a staff member who was
present at the time.

"So Sanders backed the buildup in the Persian Gulf
and dumped on the left anti-imperialist peace movement, singling
out his former allies like Dave Dellinger for public criticism."

Please stop posting, to claim that Sanders is not a socialist when he himself admits to being one is retarded.

 

[georgephillip]

He’s left enough that I’ll be voting for Trump

What about your down-ballot picks?
Do you think Trump deserves a Republican House and Senate?

 

[georgephillip]

Please stop posting, to claim that Sanders is not a socialist when he himself admits to being one is retarded.

"Democratic socialism is growing in popularity, but what the heck does it even mean?

"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Monday morning offered this simple explanation in the form of a new video aimed at a U.S. audience..."

What Is Democratic Socialism? Senator Bernie Sanders Explains

 

[Norman]

Please stop posting, to claim that Sanders is not a socialist when he himself admits to being one is retarded.

"Democratic socialism is growing in popularity, but what the heck does it even mean?

"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Monday morning offered this simple explanation in the form of a new video aimed at a U.S. audience..."

What Is Democratic Socialism? Senator Bernie Sanders Explains

Here is what it means

Democratic socialism is a political philosophy supporting political democracy within a socially owned economy,[1][2] with a particular emphasis on workers' self-management and democratic control of economic institutions within a market socialist economy or some form of a decentralised planned socialist economy.[3] Democratic socialists argue that capitalism is inherently incompatible with the values of freedom, equality and solidarity and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realisation of a socialist society.[4] Although most democratic socialists seek a gradual transition to socialism,[5] democratic socialism can support either revolutionary or reformist politics as means to establish socialism.[4][6] As a term, it was popularised by social democrats who were opposed to the authoritarian socialist development in Russia and elsewhere during the 20th century.[7][8][9][10]

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

TLDR it is socialism with an extra word added in.

Socialists always lie by the way, that's good to remember.

 

[PredFan]

Bernie Sanders!

Make America Suck Again!

 

[Silver Cat]

 

[LordBrownTrout]

He is a communist/marxist who uses america to attain his wealth and desires and then criticizes you for doing the same thing. He's worthless.

 

[georgephillip]

Socialists always lie by the way, that's good to remember.

Do they lie more than corrupt crony-capitalists?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...as-made-more-than-false-or-misleading-claims/

 

[Norman]

Socialists always lie by the way, that's good to remember.

Do they lie more than corrupt crony-capitalists?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...as-made-more-than-false-or-misleading-claims/

Yes. Trying to equate Trump with the death cult is not going to work. You already tried that with your Nazi rhetoric. Problem is, he isn't one.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Neither. "Democratic Socialist". I know y'all wish that qualifier weren't there, but it always has been.

So how much better is it with the prefix added in?

Last time Hitler added "national" in front of socialist, things did not turn out well.

Democratic socialist is still a socialist so your reply added nothing.

When Hitler first was elected to the German Government, it was a Social Democratic Government. When he changed it to a Dictatorship, he just kept the name. It went from a Social Democratic Government to a Fascist Government and ended up being a Dictatorship. There was nothing Social about Hitlers regime.