Is anyone curious?

[Liability]

The Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health has now issued TWO statements confirming that the State of Hawaii certifies that the President was born in Hawaii. Pictures of his Certification of Live Birth, and statements from those who have examined it are available as well. The COLB certifies that he was born in Hawaii.

To most of the rest of the world, that is indeed, proof...

Well that's just peachy. Then bow out of the conversation and let it rest for you. However what this woman says has NO LEGAL BEARING WHAT SO EVER ON THIS ISSUE. She has NO AUTHORITY AT ALL to effect this problem. It's nothing more than propaganda FEEDING the issue. Because if there IS one, and she HAS seen it, THEN WHAT IN THE HOLY MOTHER FUCKING HELL IS THE PROBLEM WITH EVERYBODY ELSE SEEING IT? Could it be she's LYING? Would it be the FIRST time someone in government LIED? Wake the fuck up and smell the fucking coffee you slow leak imbicile. Obama has ALREADY ESTABLISHED himself to be one of the BIGGEST SONS A BITCHIN' LIARS this country has ever seen.

Do I think he and his supporters are capable of lying about this whole, he was born in Hawaii thing? Oh you fuckin' A I do. And if you had half a fucking brain cell still functioning, YOU WOULD TO!

So why don't ONE of you NON birthers answer ONE SIMPLE QUESTION... IF OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII, AND THIS SUPPOSED BIRTH CERTIFICATE PROVES IT, WHY DOESN'T HE RELEASE IT AND CLEAR THIS MESS UP?

The Certification of Live Birth already proves that he was born in Hawaii.

If that doesn't satisfy you, and the statements of the Director of the State Department of Health don't corroborate the COLB for you, then the "mess" is in your understanding of the proof required to show the President's birth in Hawaii and not anywhere else...

The COLB proves no such thing.

The COLB merely restates what the Birth Certificate would supposedly say; but there is no independent verification that the information set forth in the COLB was properly and validly obtained.

 

[kwc57]

Well that's just peachy. Then bow out of the conversation and let it rest for you. However what this woman says has NO LEGAL BEARING WHAT SO EVER ON THIS ISSUE. She has NO AUTHORITY AT ALL to effect this problem. It's nothing more than propaganda FEEDING the issue. Because if there IS one, and she HAS seen it, THEN WHAT IN THE HOLY MOTHER FUCKING HELL IS THE PROBLEM WITH EVERYBODY ELSE SEEING IT? Could it be she's LYING? Would it be the FIRST time someone in government LIED? Wake the fuck up and smell the fucking coffee you slow leak imbicile. Obama has ALREADY ESTABLISHED himself to be one of the BIGGEST SONS A BITCHIN' LIARS this country has ever seen.

Do I think he and his supporters are capable of lying about this whole, he was born in Hawaii thing? Oh you fuckin' A I do. And if you had half a fucking brain cell still functioning, YOU WOULD TO!

So why don't ONE of you NON birthers answer ONE SIMPLE QUESTION... IF OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII, AND THIS SUPPOSED BIRTH CERTIFICATE PROVES IT, WHY DOESN'T HE RELEASE IT AND CLEAR THIS MESS UP?

The Certification of Live Birth already proves that he was born in Hawaii.

If that doesn't satisfy you, and the statements of the Director of the State Department of Health don't corroborate the COLB for you, then the "mess" is in your understanding of the proof required to show the President's birth in Hawaii and not anywhere else...

The COLB proives no such thing.

The COLB merely restates what the Birth Certificate would supposedly say; but there is no independent verification that the information set forth in the COLB was properly and validly obtained.

Why would the state of Hawaii produce a COLB if there was no BC to back it up?

 

[Liability]

The Certification of Live Birth already proves that he was born in Hawaii.

If that doesn't satisfy you, and the statements of the Director of the State Department of Health don't corroborate the COLB for you, then the "mess" is in your understanding of the proof required to show the President's birth in Hawaii and not anywhere else...

The COLB proives no such thing.

The COLB merely restates what the Birth Certificate would supposedly say; but there is no independent verification that the information set forth in the COLB was properly and validly obtained.

Why would the state of Hawaii produce a COLB if there was no BC to back it up?

There might well BE a birth certificate backing up -- at least in part -- the information contained in the COLB. But COLBs can be generated in other ways. Until recently, at least, the State of Hawaii would not accept a COLB as poroof of birth IN Hawaii!

Here is what the State of Hawaii’s official government websites publish about the matter:

QUOTE: “The Certification of Live Birth is a legal document, but it is TOTALLY INADEQUATE when it comes to proving an individual was born in Hawaii.

The State of Hawaii DOES NOT EVEN ACCEPT the Certification of Live Birth as valid proof that an individual was born in Hawaii.

The Hawaii Department of Homelands, which administers programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians states the following on its website.

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found ONLY on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth(a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.“ [Emphasis Mine].

The bottom line is that the Certification of Live Birth can be erroneous. It has been reported that it was not uncommon for foreigners residing in Hawaii to bring their infant children to the Clerk of the Court, swear they were born in Hawaii and have actual Certificates of Live Birth issued to their children.

State of Hawaii Says Obama “Birth Certificate” Not Valid « Nancy Goldfarb Thinks

 

[DiveCon]

The COLB proives no such thing.

The COLB merely restates what the Birth Certificate would supposedly say; but there is no independent verification that the information set forth in the COLB was properly and validly obtained.

Why would the state of Hawaii produce a COLB if there was no BC to back it up?

There might well BE a birth certificate backing up -- at least in part -- the information contained in the COLB. But COLBs can be generated in other ways. Until recently, at least, the State of Hawaii would not accept a COLB as poroof of birth IN Hawaii!

Here is what the State of Hawaii’s official government websites publish about the matter:

QUOTE: “The Certification of Live Birth is a legal document, but it is TOTALLY INADEQUATE when it comes to proving an individual was born in Hawaii.

The State of Hawaii DOES NOT EVEN ACCEPT the Certification of Live Birth as valid proof that an individual was born in Hawaii.

The Hawaii Department of Homelands, which administers programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians states the following on its website.

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found ONLY on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth(a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.“ [Emphasis Mine].

The bottom line is that the Certification of Live Birth can be erroneous. It has been reported that it was not uncommon for foreigners residing in Hawaii to bring their infant children to the Clerk of the Court, swear they were born in Hawaii and have actual Certificates of Live Birth issued to their children.

State of Hawaii Says Obama “Birth Certificate” Not Valid « Nancy Goldfarb Thinks

who is Nancy Goldfarb? and what gives her the authority to make this claim?

 

[jvn]

The COLB proives no such thing.

The COLB merely restates what the Birth Certificate would supposedly say; but there is no independent verification that the information set forth in the COLB was properly and validly obtained.

Why would the state of Hawaii produce a COLB if there was no BC to back it up?

There might well BE a birth certificate backing up -- at least in part -- the information contained in the COLB. But COLBs can be generated in other ways. Until recently, at least, the State of Hawaii would not accept a COLB as poroof of birth IN Hawaii!

Here is what the State of Hawaii’s official government websites publish about the matter:

QUOTE: “The Certification of Live Birth is a legal document, but it is TOTALLY INADEQUATE when it comes to proving an individual was born in Hawaii.

The State of Hawaii DOES NOT EVEN ACCEPT the Certification of Live Birth as valid proof that an individual was born in Hawaii.

The Hawaii Department of Homelands, which administers programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians states the following on its website.

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found ONLY on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth(a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.“ [Emphasis Mine].

The bottom line is that the Certification of Live Birth can be erroneous. It has been reported that it was not uncommon for foreigners residing in Hawaii to bring their infant children to the Clerk of the Court, swear they were born in Hawaii and have actual Certificates of Live Birth issued to their children.

State of Hawaii Says Obama “Birth Certificate” Not Valid « Nancy Goldfarb Thinks

Unless I'm mistaken, the DHHL program requires proof that one is a NATIVE, that is to say, ethnic Hawaiian, not merely a native born citizen of the state. You have to prove your parents heritage, and therefore the COLB is of no use in establishing one's qualification for the program.

So L, the Director of the State Department of Health issuing a statement saying that according to their official records, the President was born in Hawaii isn't good enough fdr you? Please.

BTW, you're an attorney. Can you tell us what "prima facie evidence" is?

 

[kwc57]

Nancy Goldfarb Thinks

"Thinks" being the key word here. Opinions are like assholes.

 

[Liability]

Why would the state of Hawaii produce a COLB if there was no BC to back it up?

There might well BE a birth certificate backing up -- at least in part -- the information contained in the COLB. But COLBs can be generated in other ways. Until recently, at least, the State of Hawaii would not accept a COLB as poroof of birth IN Hawaii!

Here is what the State of Hawaii’s official government websites publish about the matter:

QUOTE: “The Certification of Live Birth is a legal document, but it is TOTALLY INADEQUATE when it comes to proving an individual was born in Hawaii.

The State of Hawaii DOES NOT EVEN ACCEPT the Certification of Live Birth as valid proof that an individual was born in Hawaii.

The Hawaii Department of Homelands, which administers programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians states the following on its website.

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found ONLY on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth(a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.“ [Emphasis Mine].

The bottom line is that the Certification of Live Birth can be erroneous. It has been reported that it was not uncommon for foreigners residing in Hawaii to bring their infant children to the Clerk of the Court, swear they were born in Hawaii and have actual Certificates of Live Birth issued to their children.

State of Hawaii Says Obama “Birth Certificate” Not Valid « Nancy Goldfarb Thinks

who is Nancy Goldfarb? and what gives her the authority to make this claim?

The State of Hawaii made the claim. Whoever the hell Ms. Goldfarb is, is, imho, irrelevant.

 

[DiveCon]

Obama did learn one lesson from bush(if not several)
Bush releasing all his info to try and appease the lib assholes didnt stop them from still claiming their bullshit

 

[Liability]

Nancy Goldfarb Thinks

"Thinks" being the key word here. Opinions are like assholes.

Proving only that you didn't READ it.

 

[DiveCon]

There might well BE a birth certificate backing up -- at least in part -- the information contained in the COLB. But COLBs can be generated in other ways. Until recently, at least, the State of Hawaii would not accept a COLB as poroof of birth IN Hawaii!

State of Hawaii Says Obama “Birth Certificate” Not Valid « Nancy Goldfarb Thinks

who is Nancy Goldfarb? and what gives her the authority to make this claim?

The State of Hawaii made the claim. Whoever the hell Ms. Goldfarb is, is, imho, irrelevant.

except, the claim wasnt about proving citizenship, but native Hawaiian heritage

 

[Liability]

Obama did learn one lesson from bush(if not several)
Bush releasing all his info to try and appease the lib assholes didnt stop them from still claiming their bullshit

But, unlike President Obama, President Bush DID release his information.

 

[Liability]

who is Nancy Goldfarb? and what gives her the authority to make this claim?

The State of Hawaii made the claim. Whoever the hell Ms. Goldfarb is, is, imho, irrelevant.

except, the claim wasnt about proving citizenship, but native Hawaiian heritage

Hm!

Actually, as I have dug a bit deeper (following up what I posted on this side-bar issue a moment ago), I see that your comment has some merit, Dive.

A birth certificate would show WHERE the Hawaiian homestead applicant was born; it would not suffice for geneology.

I think this one IS, in the end, probably a dead-end.

 

[DiveCon]

Obama did learn one lesson from bush(if not several)
Bush releasing all his info to try and appease the lib assholes didnt stop them from still claiming their bullshit

But, unlike President Obama, President Bush DID release his information.

and did Bush releasing everything stop them?
NOPE
so why should Obama release ANYTHING

 

[Liability]

Obama did learn one lesson from bush(if not several)
Bush releasing all his info to try and appease the lib assholes didnt stop them from still claiming their bullshit

But, unlike President Obama, President Bush DID release his information.

and did Bush releasing everything stop them?
NOPE
so why should Obama release ANYTHING

Why should the President establish, in a very simple and easily accessible manner, that he meets the minimal qualifcations for proper Constitutional eligibility to serve as President? For one reason: it would be the right thing to do.

 

[DiveCon]

But, unlike President Obama, President Bush DID release his information.

and did Bush releasing everything stop them?
NOPE
so why should Obama release ANYTHING

Why should the President establish, in a very simple and easily accessible manner, that he meets the minimal qualifcations for proper Constitutional eligibility to serve as President? For one reason: it would be the right thing to do.

he has
his COLB does so
unless you want to challenge every Hawai'ian COLB from 1961 to date

 

[kwc57]

But, unlike President Obama, President Bush DID release his information.

and did Bush releasing everything stop them?
NOPE
so why should Obama release ANYTHING

Why should the President establish, in a very simple and easily accessible manner, that he meets the minimal qualifcations for proper Constitutional eligibility to serve as President? For one reason: it would be the right thing to do.

And all those folks out there with ODS will call any proof he provides fake. For those folks, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Appeasing wingnuts is a losing proposition.

For God's sake, there are still people convinced that landing men on the moon 40 years ago was fake in spite of the mountain of evidence.

 

[kwc57]

and did Bush releasing everything stop them?
NOPE
so why should Obama release ANYTHING

Why should the President establish, in a very simple and easily accessible manner, that he meets the minimal qualifcations for proper Constitutional eligibility to serve as President? For one reason: it would be the right thing to do.

he has
his COLB does so
unless you want to challenge every Hawai'ian COLB from 1961 to date

Perhaps it was the Illuminati, Bilderburg Group or the Skull and Crossbones that planted his birth announcment in the Honolulu paper back in 1961.

 

[Liability]

and did Bush releasing everything stop them?
NOPE
so why should Obama release ANYTHING

Why should the President establish, in a very simple and easily accessible manner, that he meets the minimal qualifcations for proper Constitutional eligibility to serve as President? For one reason: it would be the right thing to do.

he has
his COLB does so
unless you want to challenge every Hawai'ian COLB from 1961 to date

No. He has not.

Your claim is just a reiteration of the same disputed contention.

The COLB ("C" for CertificatION) is simply NOT the same as a Certificate of Live Birth.

Just take a gander at: American Thinker: Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate

 

[DiveCon]

Why should the President establish, in a very simple and easily accessible manner, that he meets the minimal qualifcations for proper Constitutional eligibility to serve as President? For one reason: it would be the right thing to do.

he has
his COLB does so
unless you want to challenge every Hawai'ian COLB from 1961 to date

No. He has not.

Your claim is just a reiteration of the same disputed contention.

The COLB ("C" for CertificatION) is simply NOT the same as a Certificate of Live Birth.

Just take a gander at: American Thinker: Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate

then you are challenging the autheticity of EVERY State of Hawai'i COLB ever presented as proof of citizenship

 

[Liability]

he has
his COLB does so
unless you want to challenge every Hawai'ian COLB from 1961 to date

No. He has not.

Your claim is just a reiteration of the same disputed contention.

The COLB ("C" for CertificatION) is simply NOT the same as a Certificate of Live Birth.

Just take a gander at: American Thinker: Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate

then you are challenging the autheticity of EVERY State of Hawai'i COLB ever presented as proof of citizenship

Since Hawaii itself acknoweldges that their COLB documents are subject to error in that regard, it would sure seem fair to agree with them.

And no. I have no need to challenge the authenticity of EVERY Hawaiian COLB. I do have the need to go ahead and suggest that appropriate additional verification, in a matter involving the Constitutional eligibility of the President of the Unites States, is a reasonable request.