Iran: Playtime is Over.

[toomuchtime_]

Define "war". Is a war US troops fighting someone else's troops?

If we get Iran to surrender their nuclear and ICBM programs the bombing and blockade will have accomplished what the JCPOA failed to do.

Iran was weeks away from being able to build a nuke. Their launch against Diego Garcia showed they were close to ICBM range.

Trump did the responsible thing, stop Iran from getting a nuke.

All true but he's not going to get the job done with ceasefires and negotiations with the ayatollahs.

 

[Ringo]

I think Iran is done fighting. If they keep going they lose oil well capacity, then they lose everything.

I don’t know, but I keep thinking about that letter from home found on a dead german soldier in the snow near Moscow in 1941: “We are all outraged here by the senseless resistance of the russians, who have already lost, which only leads to unnecessary casualties among the germans.”

 

[toomuchtime_]

I don’t know, but I keep thinking about that letter from home found on a dead german soldier in the snow near Moscow in 1941: “We are all outraged here by the senseless resistance of the russians, who have already lost, which only leads to unnecessary casualties among the germans.”

But the ayatollahs are not fighting. They are depending on Democrats to defeat America for them.

 

[JoeB131]

As anyone with a brain knew Iran will never bend the knee. The only option left is to bomb them into oblivion. The sole purpose of war is to destroy the enemy or destroy their will to fight. Period. Iran has been damaged but not destroyed, and they are still playing games.


Playtime is over. Destroy Iran completely until they quit and unconditionally surrender.


Discuss.

I'm still waiting for Trump to give me a good reason for this war, before we escalate to committing crimes against humanity and violating the Geneva Conventions.

 

[Ringo]

Saw a Russian movie last night, called "Attraction". About a UFO crashing on Moscow.

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[Zavulon]

Saw a Russian movie last night, called "Attraction". About a UFO crashing on Moscow.
It has very high quality special effects. Well done movie.

Yep. Nice movie, in some way - answer on US-UK-France movie, "Attack the block" (2011).


May be, you'll like "A hundred years ahead", of the same director. Nice movie about time travelling, someway related with Cameron's "Terminator".



Not sure American censorship could allow it in official stream services.

But talking about Iran, I'd recommend movie of 2025 - "Finist. The first bogatyr", if you like fantasy and oriental tales.



It's family fantasy movie, mostly for children, but their parents also can read cultural codes - After defeating a flying pig (Ukrainians) Russian hero team goes (not really voluntarily) to Middle East, to fight European Ver-Monster and American Tech-Giant (who is hunting this ver-monster), working with Chinese technologies, to control the source of magic energy (mana/oil). Nothing is what it seems, and treason is everwhere.

Almost sure, it can't be allowed for official streaming services in the USA.

I think Iran is done fighting.

I think you are wrong. Iranian TV is full of war propaganda.

If they keep going they lose oil well capacity, then they lose everything.

No. Oil well capacity can be restored. But if they, as Saddam, drop their weapons and surrender - everything is lost forever.

Better to "drink from the poison chalice" again and live.

Better to fight and win. And they have everything they need for the victory.

 

[ChristisKing]

Define "war". Is a war US troops fighting someone else's troops?

If we get Iran to surrender their nuclear and ICBM programs the bombing and blockade will have accomplished what the JCPOA failed to do.

Iran was weeks away from being able to build a nuke. Their launch against Diego Garcia showed they were close to ICBM range.

Trump did the responsible thing, stop Iran from getting a nuke.

Okay I see your point and that's a good thing, but what I still want to know is why are we helping Israel when they've never done a thing for us? If Trump was worried that Iran would nuke us as well I can see why he went after them, but if it's just to help a country that never once had our back then I wouldn't get it at all.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Okay I see your point and that's a good thing, but what I still want to know is why are we helping Israel when they've never done a thing for us? If Trump was worried that Iran would nuke us as well I can see why he went after them, but if it's just to help a country that never once had our back then I wouldn't get it at all.

You are misinformed. Israel is not only America's closest ally but also its most reliable ally and has saved thousands of American lives.
Back in the 1960's and 1970's when the US seemed to be losing the Cold War everywhere else, Israel defeated USSR client states Egypt and Syria, so profoundly that the Soviets were kicked out of Egypt and Egypt turned from the USSR to the USA, setting the foundation of America's ME policy and saving the US from having to send troops to the ME to protect the Gulf oil assets. None of the US's European "allies" has ever been able to deliver this kind result, rather they say, come fight out wars and die for us, resulting in 400,000 dead American soldiers and 1,000,000 wounded.

 

[ChristisKing]

You are misinformed. Israel is not only America's closest ally but also its most reliable ally and has saved thousands of American lives.
Back in the 1960's and 1970's when the US seemed to be losing the Cold War everywhere else, Israel defeated USSR client states Egypt and Syria, so profoundly that the Soviets were kicked out of Egypt and Egypt turned from the USSR to the USA, setting the foundation of America's ME policy and saving the US from having to send troops to the ME to protect the Gulf oil assets. None of the US's European "allies" has ever been able to deliver this kind result, rather they say, come fight out wars and die for us, resulting in 400,000 dead American soldiers and 1,000,000 wounded.

We were never losing the cold war. Nice try.

 

[toomuchtime_]

We were never losing the cold war. Nice try.

We certainly weren't winning it, but Israel put a firm stop to the Soviets' effort to control the ME and provided the US the opportunity to control the ME without having to send US soldiers to protect the Gulf oil assets from the Soviets.

 

[ChristisKing]

We certainly weren't winning it, but Israel put a firm stop to the Soviets' effort to control the ME and provided the US the opportunity to control the ME without having to send US soldiers to protect the Gulf oil assets from the Soviets.

Well that could have helped the US, but that was out of sheer luck. Israel probably didn't plan it that way.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Well that could have helped the US, but that was out of sheer luck. Israel probably didn't plan it that way.

It wasn't luck at all. Israel and the US were in close communications about the upcoming war. LBJ sent military officers to Israel to assess its chances of winning the war in 1967, and they came back saying Israel would win and Israel and the US worked together on the ceasefire and the same thing happened, in the 1973 war.

AI Overview



Henry Kissinger emphasized that U.S.-Israel cooperation was essential for an American role in the Middle East, viewing Israel as a key, albeit sometimes challenging, partner for achieving regional stability and brokering, according to analysis in this Taylor & Francis Online article. He believed that only the U.S. could influence Israel to make necessary territorial concessions, as outlined in this YouTube video.
Key elements of this strategy included:

• Strategic Interdependence: Following the 1973 Yom Kippur War, this NYT archive link shows Kissinger recognized that peace negotiations required strengthening Israel's security, even considering a mutual defense pact.
• Pressure for Concessions: Despite securing Israeli security, this JTA archive article highlights his belief that any success required Israel to exchange territory for peace, with the US managing this process.
• Preventing Soviet Influence: The U.S. aimed to be the sole mediator, preventing Soviet interference by providing, as seen in this historical summary, an emergency airlift of weapons to prevent a total Soviet-backed Arab victory.

 

[kyzr]

The USSR had been capable of doing this since 1957—so did the U.S. start a war against the USSR?

No. But if Russia was a "state sponsor of terrorism" like Iran is there might have been one.

 

[ChristisKing]

Okay I see your point and that's a good thing, but what I still want to know is why are we helping Israel when they've never done a thing for us? If Trump was worried that Iran would nuke us as well I can see why he went after them, but if it's just to help a country that never once had our back then I wouldn't get it at all.

ozro are you going to explain why you disagreed with me or was that just a disagree and run reaction.

It wasn't luck at all. Israel and the US were in close communications about the upcoming war. LBJ sent military officers to Israel to assess its chances of winning the war in 1967, and they came back saying Israel would win and Israel and the US worked together on the ceasefire and the same thing happened, in the 1973 war.

AI Overview



Henry Kissinger emphasized that U.S.-Israel cooperation was essential for an American role in the Middle East, viewing Israel as a key, albeit sometimes challenging, partner for achieving regional stability and brokering, according to analysis in this Taylor & Francis Online article. He believed that only the U.S. could influence Israel to make necessary territorial concessions, as outlined in this YouTube video.
Key elements of this strategy included:

• Strategic Interdependence: Following the 1973 Yom Kippur War, this NYT archive link shows Kissinger recognized that peace negotiations required strengthening Israel's security, even considering a mutual defense pact.
• Pressure for Concessions: Despite securing Israeli security, this JTA archive article highlights his belief that any success required Israel to exchange territory for peace, with the US managing this process.
• Preventing Soviet Influence: The U.S. aimed to be the sole mediator, preventing Soviet interference by providing, as seen in this historical summary, an emergency airlift of weapons to prevent a total Soviet-backed Arab victory.

Okay because I'm special needs this is far more than I can comprehend. SaxonJackson a little help please?

 

[ozro]

ozro are you going to explain why you disagreed with me or was that just a disagree and run reaction.





Okay because I'm special needs this is far more than I can comprehend. SaxonJackson a little help please?

If you think Israel has not had our back , you are a fool.
It is that simple

 

[ChristisKing]

If you think Israel has not had our back , you are a fool.
It is that simple

Well, toomuchtime_ just posted something that it was a bit too much for me to comprehend because of my special needs so I was wondering if it could be simplified.

 

[kyzr]

Yep. Nice movie, in some way - answer on US-UK-France movie, "Attack the block" (2011).
May be, you'll like "A hundred years ahead", of the same director. Nice movie about time traveling, someway related with Cameron's "Terminator". Not sure American censorship could allow it in official stream services.

A complicated German series called "Dark" is a good watch, if you can follow all the character's thru various ages and different years entered.

But talking about Iran, I'd recommend movie of 2025 - "Finist. The first bogatyr", if you like fantasy and oriental tales.
It's family fantasy movie, mostly for children, but their parents also can read cultural codes - After defeating a flying pig (Ukrainians) Russian hero team goes (not really voluntarily) to Middle East, to fight European Ver-Monster and American Tech-Giant (who is hunting this ver-monster), working with Chinese technologies, to control the source of magic energy (mana/oil). Nothing is what it seems, and treason is everywhere. Almost sure, it can't be allowed for official streaming services in the USA.

Thanks.

I think you are wrong. Iranian TV is full of war propaganda.

Iranians can look out their windows and see the truth.

No. Oil well capacity can be restored. But if they, as Saddam, drop their weapons and surrender - everything is lost forever.

Depends how you look at it.
If the mullahs think they can hang tough and keep terrorizing the population until Trump says okay we're done for now, but if you don't behave we'll be back. That might be one outcome, but I doubt Trump will end the blockade until Iran surrenders. Just my opinion.

Better to fight and win. And they have everything they need for the victory.

I thought you were smarter than that. How does Iran end Trump's blockade? Without revenue Iran has nothing.

 

[ChristisKing]

Well, toomuchtime_ just posted something that it was a bit too much for me to comprehend because of my special needs so I was wondering if it could be simplified.

Especially because I'm just trying to get the facts. If it's true that Israel has supported us then I would change my view based upon those facts.

 

[ChristisKing]

I just looked it up actually. Israel has never fought alongside us in a war (like I thought) but they have helped our country in other ways. That's probably the point that toomuchtime_ was making.

 

[Kruska]

Okay I see your point and that's a good thing, but what I still want to know is why are we helping Israel when they've never done a thing for us? If Trump was worried that Iran would nuke us as well I can see why he went after them, but if it's just to help a country that never once had our back then I wouldn't get it at all.

That's a faulty point - always and endlessly repeated by those who simply ignore Israels crimes since latest 1948.

Iran (I would dare to even say NO single country) on this planet, would develop nukes to get at another nuke wielding country via factually using nukes against it - pure suicidal.

Iran's attempt to get nukes is simply to provide for fair and balanced negotiations pertaining to Israel or the USA.

Israel has been intentionally sabotaging peaceful negotiations with it's Arab neighbors and the Palestinians since the radical Zionist managed to acquire nukes and politically take over Israel's parliament. Starting off latest with the 1982 attack onto Lebanon, and since then Israel never ceased to attack other neighbors. - simply because they are the only ones in the Middle-East that posses nukes.