Iran Is Crying Uncle

[Rigby5]

I bet we all can agree that Iran cannot be trusted.

Trust has nothing to do with it.
Do we "trust" North Korea?
Obviously the point of nukes is deterrent, so Iran obviously has a right to them.
It does not make the world less safe if Iran has nukes, but more safe, because then Iran can't be illegally attacked like we did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, the Ukraine, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

Warfare 101, if you're going to conduct an offensive air attack on somebody, the 1st thing you do is knock out their commmunications and then their air defenses. We taught NATO and our allies about that back in the 1980s, and that is why Desert Storm went off like clockwork. I have no doubt that Iran's air defenses were down because they were disabled or destroyed.

All one has to do is install a couple of redundant sets, and then it becomes impossible to knock out because you don't know where the backups are until they are turned on.

 

[Rigby5]

You can only be judged by what you say and what you do

Iran has repeatedly said that their aim is the destruction of Israel and the US, and all their actions have shown they have paid a small fortune of their own to do just that as they spread terrorism throughout the Middle East.

That is a lie.
The actual translation means to defeat, not "destruction".
But clearly Israel is criminal and has been since Menachim Begin blew up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel.
The US is criminal since we destroyed the democracy in Iran in 1953 with Operation Ajax, murdering tens of thousands, and installing the Shah as dictator.

Iran is likely the LEAST "terrorist" since they support local autonomy.
The US is the colonial imperialist, not Iran.
Iran has taken over no one.
The US recently has taken over Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, the Ukraine, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

I always knew that the wmd claim was legit and it was validated when Obama asked Syria to remove them, the cover up when pointed out was obvious. DEMS ALWAYS double down on the lie narrative to protect that narrative. It's in their rules for radicals handbook to do so.

That is a lie.
After the US invaded Iraq, no trace of any weapons of mass destruction programs could be found.
And neither the Sunni of Saddam nor Obama would have wanted Syria to have WMD.
Nor did Syria ever have any significant WMD.
If Saddam ever had WMD he would have used them, knowing the invasion would mean his execution.
The fact no WMD were ever used, is absolute proof they never existed.
Who would spend money making WMD that were never used?

 

[JohnDB]

You're a joke. Just like Trump 1.0, he barely did any better than Obama did and was it worth it? He had to give massive tax breaks away to get the same GDP numbers.

You must be loyal to be turning a blind eye to all the bad stuff he's doing. The spending in that BBB, Iran, sending troops to LA (ridiculous) and turning a blind eye to illegals in red stats "so long as they work on a farm, hotel, restaurant or GOLF COURSE.

And you clearly hold Democrats to a much higher standard. Remember last year you voted for Trump over Biden because you thought he'd do a better job with the economy? What a sucker you were huh?

Americans’ Wages Are Higher Than They Have Ever Been, and Employment Is Near Its All-Time High​

After adjusting for inflation, wages are higher than at any point in U.S. history, and after adjusting for age and sex, the percentage of the population that is employed is around its peak in U.S. history.

This is from October 2024. You have your head buried in the sand or up Trump's ass.

In fact, economic growth has outpaced projections that were made before the COVID-19 pandemic. In other words, the economy in 2024 is stronger than experts had predicted it would be in 2024 before COVID-19 even happened. And it is stronger now than it was projected to be by 2024 at the beginning of the Biden-Harris administration.

And yet Trump said Biden handed him a mess.

I'll just write you off as loyal to a fault.

Ummmmm....

Put down the recreational chemicals....just step away.

I'm not loyal. I speak truth.
I call a spade a spade and a diamond a diamond.

Trump isn't perfect....far from it. He's been very busy but there are a LOT of issues the Democrats could make gains with but are not.
WHY?
Instead they are currently parroting the least tractionable issues surrounding Trump using outrageous rhetoric and the least credible lies to promote them.

They are currently making themselves a laughing stock of a political party. (And currently they are having major fundraising issues as well)

The Republicans certainly are not going to tell the democrats to stop urinating their pants in public.....I will. But I'm A-Political to begin with.

I've mentioned the issues that WILL gain traction....but just get ignored by Democrats. I don't get it either.

Don't they want to exist anymore?

 

[Soupnazi630]

That is a lie.
The actual translation means to defeat, not "destruction".
But clearly Israel is criminal and has been since Menachim Begin blew up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel.
The US is criminal since we destroyed the democracy in Iran in 1953 with Operation Ajax, murdering tens of thousands, and installing the Shah as dictator.

Iran is likely the LEAST "terrorist" since they support local autonomy.
The US is the colonial imperialist, not Iran.
Iran has taken over no one.
The US recently has taken over Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, the Ukraine, etc.

The king david hotel was retaliatory and proves the palestinians were the original criminals

The US took over none of those nations

 

[Soupnazi630]

Trust has nothing to do with it.
Do we "trust" North Korea?
Obviously the point of nukes is deterrent, so Iran obviously has a right to them.
It does not make the world less safe if Iran has nukes, but more safe, because then Iran can't be illegally attacked like we did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, the Ukraine, etc.

We conducted no illegal attacks

 

[JohnDB]

The king david hotel was retaliatory and proves the palestinians were the original criminals

The US took over none of those nations

Which King David Hotel?

There is several in Israel. Most of them are not as good as another hotel down the street....but usually a LOT more expensive.

Just saying....

 

[JohnDB]

You mean half of MAGA doesn't agree with Elon about the BBB?

You mean you're okay with Trump turning a blind eye to illegals as long as they are only working at farms, hotels and restaurants? You can't seriously think he's going to fix this problem and make these exceptions do you?

And you America First types aren't mad he's taking us to another needless war?

Oh this war is necessary you say? LOLOLOLOL

 

[Rigby5]

The problem with your premise is that it's out of context of Trump at the time of the war was a Dem, so he listened to false narratives that said WMD did not exist, which is a false subjective word game spin by the Dems and MSM which he was a viewer of at the time.
FACT: WE FOUND THE CHEM WEAPONS IN SYRIA which is what the intelligence community knew they were smuggled to the neighboring country.
Obama and MSM covered this up by stating it was Syria's chem weapons that time he gave them an ultimatum to destroy (the evidence), but it wasn't all Syrias, most was Iraqs smuggled into Syria, just politicsl word play, yes now they were Now Syrias, but where did they come from-Doh!
Fact: Iraq had tons of chem weapon antidotes that we found, there is no reason to have that if wmd chem weapons didn't exist-Doh!
Subjective? How much chem weapons till you consider it mass weapons¿
= Political spin word games.
Trump being a Dem fell for it not yet knowing about fake news or how seriously dimented and pathological his fellow collegues (some being politicians ) were .

That is a lie.
We did NOT find any WMD in Syria.
The UN asked Syria to turn over any WMD they had, after the rebel chlorine gas collection blew up.
Syria then turned over some sarin, and that is it.

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Transparent cooperation​

Two OPCW deployments took place in March and April, with inspectors visiting a dozen sites in and around Damascus, including key facilities of the Scientific Studies and Research Centre (SSRC) – long believed to be central to Syria’s weapons programme.

During the April visit, samples were collected for laboratory analysis and experts met with newly appointed Syrian officials, including the new Director-General of the SSRC.

“For both deployments, the interim Syrian authorities extended all necessary support for the OPCW team’s activities,” Ms. Nakamitsu said, noting that this included full access to sites and personnel, security escorts and issuance of visas.

“The commitment of the new authorities in Syria to fully and transparently cooperate with the OPCW Technical Secretariat is commendable.”
...}

Sarin has a short shelf life.
So none of it could have come from Iraq.
The theory Saddam hid his chemical weapons in Syria, clearly is a lie.
And there is no evidence Syria ever used chemical weapons.
They make no sense.
They are much less lethal and more expensive than plain explosives.
Any one trying to bring up WMD in general is just trying to incite propaganda.

 

[Rigby5]

Are you currently using recreational chemicals?
Because you and reality seem very far apart at the moment. Nothing you have said is true....except for ICE not NEEDING TO GO INTO RED STATES AS THEY HAVE DEPORTED THE ALIENS THEMSELVES.

Squeaking wheels....tallest nails get pounded.

Maybe you should cut back a bit there bud.

What is foolish is that not only do immigrants make us wealthier, but we desperately need more immigrants to compete with China and pay our social security.

 

[Rigby5]

The king david hotel was retaliatory and proves the palestinians were the original criminals

The US took over none of those nations

How could blowing up the British peacekeepers be "retaliatory" when they were just trying to enforce the law and prevent Zionist gangs from murdering people?

How could Zionists attacking the British peacekeeper have proven anything about the Palestinians?

Obviously the US did take over Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria, the Ukraine, Iran (1953), Palestine, etc.
There is no possible way to contest it.

 

[HaShev]

That is a lie.
After the US invaded Iraq, no trace of any weapons of mass destruction programs could be found.
And neither the Sunni of Saddam nor Obama would have wanted Syria to have WMD.
Nor did Syria ever have any significant WMD.
If Saddam ever had WMD he would have used them, knowing the invasion would mean his execution.
The fact no WMD were ever used, is absolute proof they never existed.
Who would spend money making WMD that were never used?

That's a lie, they found loads and loads x of the chem weapons supply of antidote serums, something that doesn't exist if there are no chems.
They also knew and were telling people it was smuggled into Syria, so of course they didn't find enough in Iraq. (Most was used by the way). What they found was not sufficient for the subjective WMD talking point in the minds of those who control that narrative. WHEN OBAMA FOUND MORE THAN WHAT SYRIA ITSELF PRODUCED AND DESTROYED THE EVIDENCE That was the zoom over your heads smoking gun.

 

[Rigby5]

Which King David Hotel?

There is several in Israel. Most of them are not as good as another hotel down the street....but usually a LOT more expensive.

Just saying....

Originally there was only one King David Hotel in Jerusalem.
It is where the British peacekeepers set up their headquarters, and Menachem Begin broke in early one morning, tying up the kitchen staff, and loading about a dozen milk can's filled with TNT that they got from the US.

I believe they were able to rebuild it?

 

[Rigby5]

That's a lie, they found loads and loads x of the chem weapons supply of antidote serums, something that doesn't exist if there are no chems.
They also knew and were telling people it was smuggled into Syria, so of course they didn't find enough in Iraq. (Most was used by the way). What they found was not sufficient for the subjective WMD talking point in the minds of those who control that narrative. WHEN OBAMA FOUND MORE THAN WHAT SYRIA ITSELF PRODUCED AND DESTROYED THE EVIDENCE That was the zoom over your heads smoking gun.

That is a lie.
The US only found some failed experiments in Iraq.
It was obvious to the US weapons inspectors like Keyes and Deufler that they found nothing and that is what they wrote in their reports.

It is an obvious lie to claim one would not have antidote serum unless you also have chemical weapons, because you clearly would want and need antidotes for the chemical weapons of the enemy, not your own.

And the amount Syria has was trivial.
There was never any significant amount.
And it was NOT Obama.
It was the UN that searched Syria for WMD and got Syria to turn over what little it had.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong.

1. The largest plane Israel has is an F-15.
Nothing it has can carry or deliver a "bunker buster".

2. Israel is vastly more vulnerable, since if Iran's oil is attacked, Iran can retaliate on population centers and it is a very small and easy to hit target.

3. Attacking Iran not only is illegal, but after what we did to Iran in 1953, attacking Iran greatly strengthens the support for the Ayatollah.

Does it increase support for him if his army and secret police are killed?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The US is criminal since we destroyed the democracy in Iran in 1953 with Operation Ajax, murdering tens of thousands, and installing the Shah as dictator.

I heard it was fewer than 300 killed.

Ask your favorite mullah where he got your number.

 

[Soupnazi630]

How could blowing up the British peacekeepers be "retaliatory" when they were just trying to enforce the law and prevent Zionist gangs from murdering people?

How could Zionists attacking the British peacekeeper have proven anything about the Palestinians?

Obviously the US did take over Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria, the Ukraine, Iran (1953), Palestine, etc.
There is no possible way to contest it.

Nope they were armming the palestinians

The palestinians were murdering israelis long before this incident

The US did not take over any of those nations.

It does not need to be contested because it is a fictitious claim

 

[Soupnazi630]

Originally there was only one King David Hotel in Jerusalem.
It is where the British peacekeepers set up their headquarters, and Menachem Begin broke in early one morning, tying up the kitchen staff, and loading about a dozen milk can's filled with TNT that they got from the US.

I believe they were able to rebuild it?

menachim begin did not do that you are a liar

 

[JohnDB]

What is foolish is that not only do immigrants make us wealthier, but we desperately need more immigrants to compete with China and pay our social security.

Short term gains at best.

Illegal labor is equivalent to slavery. Not exactly something we need to revisit again. Has all kinds of nasty side effects.

Especially when we have robots available for mundane tasks....who don't need breaks or sleep and who definitely don't give the boss any lip.

That being said....
We have a skills shortage in the USA currently. Not exactly a labor shortage but a skills shortage.

Such as skilled trades. Many of those we are deporting are taking their skills with them. Today's youth are valuing knowledge over skills. Where skills require knowledge (those deported had skills but zero knowledge) ....knowledge without skills is worthless.

A good electrician, knowledgeable in his field is a rare commodity. Same with tinknockers, carpenters or plumbers/pipefitters. And a DIYer is not gonna cut it for a resurgence of industrialization.

What I do know is that we had better start training some young people in an organized effort to ensure people can do stuff. Otherwise those very expensive robots are going to end up disposable for want of a new 2 cent gasket.