Iran demands to end the war

[Mac-7]

Except we aren't. Literally nothing has changed and Trump is trying to get out of his quagmire but Iran won't let him.

Nuke dust still in Iran
Nuke knowledge still in Iran.
Regime (like Venezuela) is still in charge.
Civilian populaiton still being oppressed.
Iran still chanting death to America.

I agree that the job is not finished yet

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Of course Frank means that my comment is dreadful

But in fact its spot on

How do you see us winning a “shooting war” against a massive country in Asia, especially the one who supplied most of the high tech equipment vital to Bibi’s American War Machine?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

For there to be lasting peace as Trump said he believes he’s achieved, we have to resolve:

Iran wants:
US out of the Middle East
Release frozen assets
No US bases in the GCC
No more serving as Bibi’s cannon fodder

Israel wants
Hegemony over the Middle East

What am I missing?

How is this supposed to work?

 

[kyzr]

Please document your evidence, if any.

ok

Known or Possible Iranian Violations of the JCPOA Fact Sheet - EMET | Endowment for Middle East Truth

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has never certified that Iran is in “compliance” with the deal. Moreover, each quarter since January 2016, the IAEA has reported that it still […]

emetonline.org

Iran Is Cheating on the Nuclear Deal | Council on Foreign Relations

The greatest imminent danger in last year’s nuclear deal, the JCPOA, was always that Iran would cheat–taking all the advantages of the deal, but then seeking to move forward more quickly toward a nuclear weapon–and that the Obama administration would be silent in the face of that cheating. This...

www.cfr.org

Issuing an "ultimatum" before launching a "surprise" attack?

Trump said no nukes ever, period. Now the new "memo" says no nukes for 20-years.
Your "surprise attack" complaint against terrorists who ALWAYS do surprise attacks is hilarious.

Most Americans recognize that Trump's Middle East caprice is unnecessary.

So you/they are okay with Iran having nukes and ICBMs?

Your citing the fraudulently-predicated Iraq quagmire is not serious, is it?

Did we take out Saddam Hussein and his criminal regime, yes or no?
You prefer Saddam and his vicious larvae still in control of Iraq?

Trump miscalculated badly, and bungled the caper. His exorbitant "little excursion" failed to anticipate Iran's using the Strait of Hormuz to wreak havoc with the global economy.

Oh stop whining about the price of gas already.
Its still lower than the $5 high under Biden and his "war on energy" and "green new deal" capers.
Trump's blockade of Iran's oil has them over a barrel.

 

[Zavulon]

For there to be lasting peace as Trump said he believes he’s achieved, we have to resolve:

Iran wants:
US out of the Middle East
Release frozen assets
No US bases in the GCC
No more serving as Bibi’s cannon fodder

Israel wants
Hegemony over the Middle East

What am I missing?

How is this supposed to work?

Simple. You do what was said, and you live.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Simple. You do what was said, and you live.

Please elaborate

 

[Mac-7]

How do you see us winning a “shooting war” against a massive country in Asia, especially the one who supplied most of the high tech equipment vital to Bibi’s American War Machine?

China is not a supplier of IDF weapons

We win a shooting war if china fails to take Taiwan and thereby total control of the South China Sea

 

[Zavulon]

Please elaborate

America more or less accept defeat and, step by step, leave Middle East. Israel, after Bibi get rotten in prison, became more or less Russian asset (there are a lot of Russian speakers and citizens of the Russian Federation). No big war. Russia and China settle all contraditions more or less peacefully. Petro-yuan system to control oil and "Gas OPEC" (Russia, Iran, Algeria, and Kuwait) to control 80% of gas.
America suffer some economic problems, but melting fat into brains and muscles and have may be forty years of peace to do any reforms they want and still is one of the world's leaders.

 

[Mac1958]

Yikes. If this is correct, Iran sure as hell knows about it.

Just another example of WHY no other US President has tried this.

U.S. intelligence says Iran can outlast Trump’s Hormuz blockade for months

 

[Matted Joybeard]

 

[Matted Joybeard]

California has about six weeks left to hold out versus Iran's several months.

 

[Matted Joybeard]

 

[toomuchtime_]

In the previous attack the US destroy sank six fast boats without even suffering a scratch, so how of Iran's famous fast boats visited Davy Jones locker this time?

 

[kyzr]

Yikes. If this is correct, Iran sure as hell knows about it.
Just another example of WHY no other US President has tried this.
U.S. intelligence says Iran can outlast Trump’s Hormuz blockade for months

The 10 guys running Iran don't care if 93m die as long as they stay in control. Not news.

 

[kyzr]

Yeah but just more target practice for AEGIS.

 

[justoffal]

Key Iranian Demands and Positions:

• Permanent End to Conflict: Iran demands a permanent ceasefire rather than temporary pauses, as stated by Foreign Minister Araghchi.
• Security Guarantees: A primary demand is a guarantee against further aggression, including ensuring the war does not resume.
• Lifting of Sanctions: Iran has insisted on the removal of all primary and secondary sanctions.
• Strait of Hormuz Control: Iran seeks recognition of its sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz, including the right to impose tolls on ships.
• Financial Reparations: Iran is demanding compensation for damages and war losses, often described as reparations.
• Regional Withdrawal: A key demand includes the withdrawal of U.S. military forces from the region.
• Protection of Allies: Ending Israeli strikes against Hezbollah in Lebanon is included in the reported 10-point proposal.
  NPR

Seems that in spite of our Presidents claims that we are close to an agreement with Iran to end hostilities, we are not even close.

Trump has started a war that he doesn’t know how to get out of

Iran demands guaranteed ceasefire to end war permanently, senior source: Reuters

Iran demands a guaranteed ceasefire to end war permanently, a senior Iranian source told Reuters on Wednesday.

www.cnbc.com

Most of those are non starters

 

[toomuchtime_]

Most of those are non starters

All of these are non starters. The only thing to negotiate is the terms of the ayatollahs' surrender.

 

[justoffal]

Well done Pinger
A possibly correct post .

Unless Deep State need Energy and Food Starvation in order to have full control ---- to "force " the introduction of a new financial system to cheat their way out of bankruptcy. .

Yeah but just more target practice for AEGIS.

https://x.com/search?q=US%20Navy%20boats%20damaged

 

[rightwinger]

Most of those are non starters

So are Trumps

 

[Matted Joybeard]

“Iran retains 70 per cent of its pre-war missile stockpile despite US-Israeli strikes, according to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Tehran has also reopened most of its underground storage facilities, repaired damaged missiles, and even assembled new missiles, The Washington Post reported, citing analysis by the agency.”

“In addition, the CIA analysis said Iran retains about 75 per cent of pre-war inventories of mobile launchers used to fire the missiles.”

“Donald Trump claimed in the Oval Office on Tuesday that Iran’s “missiles are mostly decimated, they have probably 18, 19 per cent, but not a lot by comparison to what they had”.