Inside Panama Papers: Multiple Clinton connections

[Vigilante]

Hillary Clinton recently blasted the hidden financial dealings exposed in the Panama Papers, but she and her husband have multiple connections with people who have used the besieged law firm Mossack Fonseca to establish offshore entities.

Among them are Gabrielle Fialkoff, finance director for Hillary Clinton’s first campaign for the U.S. Senate; Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining magnate who has traveled the globe with Bill Clinton; the Chagoury family, which pledged $1 billion in projects to the Clinton Global Initiative; and Chinese billionaire Ng Lap Seng, who was at the center of a Democratic fund-raising scandal when Bill Clinton was president. Also using the Panamanian law firm was the company founded by the late billionaire investor Marc Rich, an international fugitive when Bill Clinton pardoned him in the final hours of his presidency.


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[waltky]

Can you tell if you've got too much money?

A Point of View: Can you tell if you've got too much money?
Fri, 15 Apr 2016 - The leaking of the Panama papers exposed how far some rich people were prepared to go to protect their wealth. But can anyone be certain they wouldn't do the same, asks Sarah Dunant.

Last week I was working in the Pitti Place in Florence, home of the Medici family from the 16th to the 18th Century. I was there to study the paintings, but after a few rooms I had trouble concentrating due to the level of bling around me. Twirling stone, swirling marble, tapestries, massive chandeliers, ceilings crawling with nymphs and chariots and layers and layers of gilt. I kept thinking, how much stuff does one family need? This is greed run riot. Did no one ever think enough? I packed up early and went home to the news of the leaks of the Panama Papers. Outrageous? Shocking? Certainly. But surprising? Afraid not.

However you want to describe it, avarice, the original biblical term for man's appetite for excessive wealth, is woven into the human psyche. In his circles of hell, Dante gives it a harder time than lust, not least because it colludes with sins like envy and gluttony. Among the hoarders and squanderers who spend eternity attacking each other with huge boulders are both politicians and churchmen.

Two centuries later, Machiavelli defines the central thrust of human nature as ambition, the drive for power bringing with it wealth and corruption. Looking on the bright side, you can argue there have been moments when avarice delivered as well as took away. Many of the greatest works of art or architecture - think most of the Renaissance, for instance - exist only because they were paid for by rich often corrupt figures, many within the church.

In contrast, many of those stashing it away now have no interest in using their fortunes to enrich the culture they milked it from. Instead they pay lawyers and bankers to keep it secret. But as we imagine boiling up pots of oil, I wonder how far any of us can be complacent. As has been made clear, many in those companies under scrutiny today have not done anything illegal. It is more that we feel their attitude to be immoral. Are we sure in their place we wouldn't have been a little tempted? To put it another way, when it comes to money, do we know when enough is enough?

A few days after the scandal, a news report interviewed a financial commentator in China who suggested that though the culprits knew that exporting their fortunes was against the law, they had become increasingly anxious about the shaky state of the economy and how, if things went wrong, they might lose what they had. Frankly I didn't buy a word of it, but I suspect that was probably what they told themselves. Money and the stories we tell ourselves. It's not a pretty picture.

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The man who uses his pension fund to fill potholes
Sun, 17 Apr 2016 - The 'doctor of roads' who uses his money to fix holes

Gangadhara Tilak Katnam is a retired civil servant who uses his pension fund to repair potholes in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad. The BBC's Geeta Pandey spends a day with the man christened the "doctor of roads".

It's only 8am but the merciless hot summer sun is scorching. Mr Katnam puts out red flags to cordon off a part of the road and, assisted by a group of 16-year-old students, begins work on three small potholes in the middle of the road.

Orange gloves are donned, broomsticks are used to sweep away the dirt, a shovel is used to remove the debris, a knife is used to tear open bags of tar and a pounder is used to level it once it's been poured into the potholes.

Unsung Indians

 

[Picaro]

Hillary Clinton recently blasted the hidden financial dealings exposed in the Panama Papers, but she and her husband have multiple connections with people who have used the besieged law firm Mossack Fonseca to establish offshore entities.

Among them are Gabrielle Fialkoff, finance director for Hillary Clinton’s first campaign for the U.S. Senate; Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining magnate who has traveled the globe with Bill Clinton; the Chagoury family, which pledged $1 billion in projects to the Clinton Global Initiative; and Chinese billionaire Ng Lap Seng, who was at the center of a Democratic fund-raising scandal when Bill Clinton was president. Also using the Panamanian law firm was the company founded by the late billionaire investor Marc Rich, an international fugitive when Bill Clinton pardoned him in the final hours of his presidency.


Read MUCH more here: Inside Panama Papers: Multiple Clinton connections

Just a few days ago some tard around here was jumping up and down claiming the Clintons weren't involved in any of this. My bet is he/she/it/mutant wont' appear in this thread to play 'social justice warrior' and call it all a lie, eh?

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

now we know why the Liberal media wasn't on this like stink on shit.

 

[Picaro]

The real dirt on American pols is in Wyoming, Delaware, and the Bahamas, British Virgin Islands, and the like, so we won't get but the tip of the iceberg out of the Panama hack. The Clintons have three overseas accounts that are known, but probably they have dozens that haven't been outed yet.

 

[1stRambo]

Hillary Clinton recently blasted the hidden financial dealings exposed in the Panama Papers, but she and her husband have multiple connections with people who have used the besieged law firm Mossack Fonseca to establish offshore entities.

Among them are Gabrielle Fialkoff, finance director for Hillary Clinton’s first campaign for the U.S. Senate; Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining magnate who has traveled the globe with Bill Clinton; the Chagoury family, which pledged $1 billion in projects to the Clinton Global Initiative; and Chinese billionaire Ng Lap Seng, who was at the center of a Democratic fund-raising scandal when Bill Clinton was president. Also using the Panamanian law firm was the company founded by the late billionaire investor Marc Rich, an international fugitive when Bill Clinton pardoned him in the final hours of his presidency.


Read MUCH more here: Inside Panama Papers: Multiple Clinton connections

Yo, yes she did, but I thought I would wait for someone else to say it! Thanks!

"GTP"

 

[Care4all]

Was Romney on the list? Koch Bros or Soros?

Was Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or Waltons?

just curious...

 

[Andylusion]

Yeah, the biggest take away from the Panama Papers for me, is still the fact that so few of the top 1% and CEOs and the so-called Wall St people are simply not there. Yeah, there are a few... but you don't see the Waltons, or the Buffets or Gates of the world there.

No, the vast majority, are all politicians, and friends of politicians.

It's all the political people, and even more ironic, the socialists of the world, hiding their wealth. How many are connected to Argentina, and Brazil, and China, and Russia?

Haven't we been told for literally decades, that it's the super rich, the wealthy, the CEOs and top 1%ers that all hide their wealth in offshore accounts, and now we look, and what do you know... not many of those people... but rather, politicians and government people, and those connected to them.

The left-wing never learns. They never figure it out. This is why people in Venezuela vote over and over, for the very people that are destroying their country.

If Americans don't figure out it out, we'll end up like Venezuela.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yeah, the biggest take away from the Panama Papers for me, is still the fact that so few of the top 1% and CEOs and the so-called Wall St people are simply not there. Yeah, there are a few... but you don't see the Waltons, or the Buffets or Gates of the world there.

No, the vast majority, are all politicians, and friends of politicians.

It's all the political people, and even more ironic, the socialists of the world, hiding their wealth. How many are connected to Argentina, and Brazil, and China, and Russia?

Haven't we been told for literally decades, that it's the super rich, the wealthy, the CEOs and top 1%ers that all hide their wealth in offshore accounts, and now we look, and what do you know... not many of those people... but rather, politicians and government people, and those connected to them.

The left-wing never learns. They never figure it out. This is why people in Venezuela vote over and over, for the very people that are destroying their country.

If Americans don't figure out it out, we'll end up like Venezuela.

Congratulations, you win the Saturday night Free thinker award Andy.

This is a great blog and podcast, it deconstructs the establishment paradigm. You should look into it. I follow it regularly. He fled to Japan, I think to avoid harassment.

What I Learned From The Panama Papers
What I Learned From The Panama Papers : The Corbett Report
The Panama Papers are out and the Panama Papers propaganda is out right along with it. So why does this new mega-leak seemingly only expose those in the State Department crosshairs or expendable others and not a single prominent American politician or businessman? And what does this have to do with the OECD’s plan for a global taxation grid? Find out more in today’s Thought For The Day with James Corbett.


Direct link to the ruling class journalists that filter what the public is privy too.
International Consortium of Investigative Journalists

 

[MisterBeale]

Was Romney on the list? Koch Bros or Soros?

Was Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or Waltons?

just curious...

If they were, you'll never know. . . .

The curious thing is, with the age of the internet, why the hell don't they just put them up on the internet for all to see?


I'm so damn sick of the ruling class journalists filtering this shit. . .


I don't trust Wikileaks, I don't trust Snowden, and I don't trust the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists. They all have an agenda. Just as much as the CFR and the The Royal Institute of International Affairs.

 

[Picaro]

Was Romney on the list? Koch Bros or Soros?

Was Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or Waltons?

just curious...

Romney has used off-shoring for a long time now. He prefers the Cayman Islands, and occasionally Switzerland, over Panama.

Investigation: Mitt Romney’s Offshore Accounts, Tax Loopholes, and Mysterious I.R.A.

The media soon noticed Romney’s familiarity with foreign tax havens. A $3 million Swiss bank account appeared in the 2010 returns, then winked out of existence in 2011 after the trustee closed it, as if to remind us of George Romney’s warning that one or two tax returns can provide a misleading picture. Ed Kleinbard, a professor of tax law at the University of Southern California, says the Swiss account “has political but not tax-policy resonance,” since it—like many other Romney investments—constituted a bet against the U.S. dollar, an odd thing for a presidential candidate to do. The Obama campaign provided a helpful world map pointing to the tax havens Bermuda, Luxembourg, and the Cayman Islands, where Romney and his family have assets, each with the tagline “Value: not disclosed in tax returns.”

Romney’s personal tax rate is a particular point of interest. In 2010 and 2011, Mitt and Ann paid $6.2 million in federal tax on $42.5 million in income, for an average tax rate just shy of 15 percent, substantially less than what most middle-income Americans pay. Romney manages this low rate because he takes his payments from Bain Capital as investment income, which is taxed at a maximum 15 percent, instead of the 35 percent he would pay on “ordinary” income, such as salaries and wages. Many tax experts argue that the form of remuneration he receives, known as carried interest, is really just a fee charged by investment managers, so it should instead be taxed at the 35 percent rate. Lee Sheppard, a contributing editor at the trade publication Tax Notes, whose often controversial articles are read widely by tax professionals, is nonplussed that the Obama campaign has been so listless on the issue of carried interest. “Romney is the poster boy, the best argument, for taxing this profit share as ordinary income,” says Sheppard.

lol ... yes, we needed a President who shorts his country's currency. This is why so many people see both 'Parties' as vermin ridden sociopaths: It's because they are.

 

[Andylusion]

Was Romney on the list? Koch Bros or Soros?

Was Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or Waltons?

just curious...

If they were, you'll never know. . . .

The curious thing is, with the age of the internet, why the hell don't they just put them up on the internet for all to see?


I'm so damn sick of the ruling class journalists filtering this shit. . .


I don't trust Wikileaks, I don't trust Snowden, and I don't trust the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists. They all have an agenda. Just as much as the CFR and the The Royal Institute of International Affairs.

Well it's wise to not blindly trust in any specific media outlet. At the same time, I wouldn't trust the public with unfiltered information either. The public as a group, is pretty dumb, if you have not noticed.

There are roughly 150 documents (multiple pages each), of the panama papers, freely available for download.

One reason they don't simply dump them on the internet, is because many of the pages contain security sensitive information. You dump files containing private individuals account numbers, and while you may just want to see if people are doing things wrong, we both know that others would use it to crack account security, and empty out their savings. And whoever originally put the documents on the internet could easily be held liable, and sent to prison.

Another reason, is simply because there are tons of people, just doing private business. We claim we don't like the idea of big brother, and claim to support privacy.... well these is a privacy issue.

Lastly, having looked at some of these documents, there is clearly a problem with interpreting them. Some are straight forward. So-and-so closed an account. So-and-so opened a trust. Such and such deed was signed. But other documents are honestly, written in the most headache inducing legalese speak, that you'd have a better chance translating Latin with a speak & spell.

Also there is simply a matter of massive size. Roughly 11 Million pages of data.

Even if the data was released in its entirety, are you going to search through 11 million pages? You think soccer moms are? Or high school students?

If no media outlet was sifting the data, and they said Bill Clinton isn't in any of the papers..... how would you know? You think that just because they dumped all the files on Pirates Bay, that someone must have gone through 11.5 Million documents?

My point is, only a media organization, with the money to pay people a wage to sift through the documents, and isolate things of interest, and verify that "Fred Thompson" is actually the politician, and not some random citizen with an inheritance, that's the only people who have the ability to actually waste the next year of their life, sifting through documents.

 

[Andylusion]

Was Romney on the list? Koch Bros or Soros?

Was Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or Waltons?

just curious...

Romney has used off-shoring for a long time now. He prefers the Cayman Islands, and occasionally Switzerland, over Panama.

Investigation: Mitt Romney’s Offshore Accounts, Tax Loopholes, and Mysterious I.R.A.

The media soon noticed Romney’s familiarity with foreign tax havens. A $3 million Swiss bank account appeared in the 2010 returns, then winked out of existence in 2011 after the trustee closed it, as if to remind us of George Romney’s warning that one or two tax returns can provide a misleading picture. Ed Kleinbard, a professor of tax law at the University of Southern California, says the Swiss account “has political but not tax-policy resonance,” since it—like many other Romney investments—constituted a bet against the U.S. dollar, an odd thing for a presidential candidate to do. The Obama campaign provided a helpful world map pointing to the tax havens Bermuda, Luxembourg, and the Cayman Islands, where Romney and his family have assets, each with the tagline “Value: not disclosed in tax returns.”

Romney’s personal tax rate is a particular point of interest. In 2010 and 2011, Mitt and Ann paid $6.2 million in federal tax on $42.5 million in income, for an average tax rate just shy of 15 percent, substantially less than what most middle-income Americans pay. Romney manages this low rate because he takes his payments from Bain Capital as investment income, which is taxed at a maximum 15 percent, instead of the 35 percent he would pay on “ordinary” income, such as salaries and wages. Many tax experts argue that the form of remuneration he receives, known as carried interest, is really just a fee charged by investment managers, so it should instead be taxed at the 35 percent rate. Lee Sheppard, a contributing editor at the trade publication Tax Notes, whose often controversial articles are read widely by tax professionals, is nonplussed that the Obama campaign has been so listless on the issue of carried interest. “Romney is the poster boy, the best argument, for taxing this profit share as ordinary income,” says Sheppard.

lol ... yes, we needed a President who shorts his country's currency. This is why so many people see both 'Parties' as vermin ridden sociopaths: It's because they are.

See, this bugs me. Because all of us.... ALL OF US.... on this forum right now.... if we could open a foriegn bank account, and avoid taxes.... we would ALL do it. And you would too. And so would the people who wrote that article. And so would everyone.

You deny that? Tell me, did you take any tax deductions on your return this year? Want to post your tax return, so we can see?

I openly admit it. I got every tax deduction I could get. If I could open a bank account in the Cayman Islands, and keep more of the money that I RIGHTFULLY EARNED..... I would. Absolutely I would. We all would.

Yet for some mindlessly stupid reason, people on the left specifically, think that politicians should act in a way completely contrary to how any of themselves would act.

 

[eddiew]

Yeah, the biggest take away from the Panama Papers for me, is still the fact that so few of the top 1% and CEOs and the so-called Wall St people are simply not there. Yeah, there are a few... but you don't see the Waltons, or the Buffets or Gates of the world there.

No, the vast majority, are all politicians, and friends of politicians.

It's all the political people, and even more ironic, the socialists of the world, hiding their wealth. How many are connected to Argentina, and Brazil, and China, and Russia?

Haven't we been told for literally decades, that it's the super rich, the wealthy, the CEOs and top 1%ers that all hide their wealth in offshore accounts, and now we look, and what do you know... not many of those people... but rather, politicians and government people, and those connected to them.

The left-wing never learns. They never figure it out. This is why people in Venezuela vote over and over, for the very people that are destroying their country.

If Americans don't figure out it out, we'll end up like Venezuela.

we did figure it out in 2000 but the right stole an election and see what the ah did that they put in our WH?
now they're at it again never learning from their prior mistakes

 

[eddiew]

Was Romney on the list? Koch Bros or Soros?

Was Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or Waltons?

just curious...

If they were, you'll never know. . . .

The curious thing is, with the age of the internet, why the hell don't they just put them up on the internet for all to see?


I'm so damn sick of the ruling class journalists filtering this shit. . .


I don't trust Wikileaks, I don't trust Snowden, and I don't trust the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists. They all have an agenda. Just as much as the CFR and the The Royal Institute of International Affairs.

Think we might see the Bush name there??

 

[longknife]

This doesn't surprise me.

The Clintons’ connection to the Panama Papers

Nor does this:

But it turns out that the Democratic presidential front-runner and her husband have multiple connections with people named in the papers — including staffers and major donors, McClatchy Newspapers revealed Saturday night.

More @ http://nypost.com/2016/04/17/the-clintons-connection-to-the-panama-papers/

Hacking Hillary: Panama Papers Show Danger of Clinton’s Secret Server

Did a Russian intelligence operation financed by Sberbank hack Clinton’s illegal and ill-defended private system?

Oh, it is possible. And if Ms. Clinton was hacked, like Mossack Fonseca, don’t write it off as coincidence—not completely. Dwellers in the global sewer occasionally collide.

Read full story @ Hacking Hillary: Panama Papers Show Danger of Clinton’s Secret Server

with many, many more pieces @ panama papers and clinton - Google Search

 

[eddiew]

This doesn't surprise me.

The Clintons’ connection to the Panama Papers

Nor does this:

But it turns out that the Democratic presidential front-runner and her husband have multiple connections with people named in the papers — including staffers and major donors, McClatchy Newspapers revealed Saturday night.

More @ http://nypost.com/2016/04/17/the-clintons-connection-to-the-panama-papers/

Hacking Hillary: Panama Papers Show Danger of Clinton’s Secret Server

Did a Russian intelligence operation financed by Sberbank hack Clinton’s illegal and ill-defended private system?

Oh, it is possible. And if Ms. Clinton was hacked, like Mossack Fonseca, don’t write it off as coincidence—not completely. Dwellers in the global sewer occasionally collide.

will republicans ever tire of throwing shit up against a wall and have nothing stick??

Read full story @ Hacking Hillary: Panama Papers Show Danger of Clinton’s Secret Server

with many, many more pieces @ panama papers and clinton - Google Search

 

[Andylusion]

Yeah, the biggest take away from the Panama Papers for me, is still the fact that so few of the top 1% and CEOs and the so-called Wall St people are simply not there. Yeah, there are a few... but you don't see the Waltons, or the Buffets or Gates of the world there.

No, the vast majority, are all politicians, and friends of politicians.

It's all the political people, and even more ironic, the socialists of the world, hiding their wealth. How many are connected to Argentina, and Brazil, and China, and Russia?

Haven't we been told for literally decades, that it's the super rich, the wealthy, the CEOs and top 1%ers that all hide their wealth in offshore accounts, and now we look, and what do you know... not many of those people... but rather, politicians and government people, and those connected to them.

The left-wing never learns. They never figure it out. This is why people in Venezuela vote over and over, for the very people that are destroying their country.

If Americans don't figure out it out, we'll end up like Venezuela.

we did figure it out in 2000 but the right stole an election and see what the ah did that they put in our WH?
now they're at it again never learning from their prior mistakes

Oh that's right. We're in childish left-wing land, where we make up crap, and spew it on the forum.

 

[Andylusion]

This doesn't surprise me.

The Clintons’ connection to the Panama Papers

Nor does this:

But it turns out that the Democratic presidential front-runner and her husband have multiple connections with people named in the papers — including staffers and major donors, McClatchy Newspapers revealed Saturday night.

More @ http://nypost.com/2016/04/17/the-clintons-connection-to-the-panama-papers/

Hacking Hillary: Panama Papers Show Danger of Clinton’s Secret Server

Did a Russian intelligence operation financed by Sberbank hack Clinton’s illegal and ill-defended private system?

Oh, it is possible. And if Ms. Clinton was hacked, like Mossack Fonseca, don’t write it off as coincidence—not completely. Dwellers in the global sewer occasionally collide.

Read full story @ Hacking Hillary: Panama Papers Show Danger of Clinton’s Secret Server

with many, many more pieces @ panama papers and clinton - Google Search

What will be really hilarious to me, is if they find more and more evidence connecting Clinton, with the Panama Papers, because INSTANTLY, the left will stop screaming about how Panama Papers show the tax avoidance of the top 1%, and suddenly the Panama Papers will be this "vast right-wing conspiracy".

The left is hilarious when it comes to instant reversals on supposed smoking-gun evidence, when it suddenly implicates one of their heroes.

 

[Steven_R]

It's Hillary's turn to be president and she has a vagina. All other considerations, including crimes and scandals, are irrelevant.