Zone1 Income inequality can be a a real thing.....

[Lisa558]

How do people feel when they've done what is right in life, worked hard, raised their family right, contributed to their communities and nation, shown good character as well as endurance, and possesses a Godly set of standards to be honored in life, yet only to see complete idiots making 6 and 7 figures, and worse being in government positions that allows them dominion over you, and even worse than that affecting policy that is even crazier than they are ????

I watch and listen to these Democrats and their idiocy, and I am just amazed by it all.

Comparison is the thief of joy. I’d say if you’ve done what is right and live in a comfortable home, have plenty of food, extra money for eating out and theater shows, and an interesting vacation every year, you should be quite happy.

 

[beagle9]

Bullshit. You can get "necessities" just from working at McDonalds.

Agree, although one may have to crawl before they can walk, however survival is possible when one truly puts in the effort until they can step up another rung on the ladder of life.

 

[beagle9]

Comparison is the thief of joy. I’d say if you’ve done what is right and live in a comfortable home, have plenty of food, extra money for eating out and theater shows, and an interesting vacation every year, you should be quite happy.

Agree, but don't you expect more from those who are supposed to be your peers or leader's when they are in leadership positions up and down the spectrum ??
So what you describe in one example is a basic middle class family structure, but is it so bad to expect those who are around the outer edges of that family structure, to then at the very least represent the family in ways that the family can be proud of, respectful of, and in trusting of ?????
Does Americans have representation that it can be proud of, and in trusting of these day's anymore ???

I'd say it's fewer and farther in between these days.

 

[Lisa558]

Agree, but don't you expect more from those who are supposed to be your peers or leader's when they are in leadership positions up and down the spectrum ??
So what you describe in one example is a basic middle class family structure, but is it so bad to expect those who are around the outer edges of that family structure, to then at the very least represent the family in ways that the family can be proud of, respectful of, and in trusting of ?????
Does Americans have representation that it can be proud of, and in trusting of these day's anymore ???

I'd say it's fewer and farther in between these days.

I don’t get it. Why wouldn’t the family be proud of providing a comfortable middle-class lifestyle for itself?

It’s not like they’re on welfare!

 

[beagle9]

I don’t get it. Why wouldn’t the family be proud of providing a comfortable middle-class lifestyle for itself?

It’s not like they’re on welfare!

You are misunderstanding my response.

Back on topic - It's not about the family not being proud about what it is doing for itself, but the topic is having stone cold idiots trying to win over these families or citizen's without respecting their ability to make choices that have benefited them in the way that you described.

We have to get back to judging people based upon their character's in life, and if the character is crazy and bad, then Americans need to distance themselves from such character's ASAP.

 

[Winston]

It was years ago. My grandfather's funeral. The largest funeral I had ever attended, until my fathers. Grandpaw was five foot nothing, a farmer, a plumber, raised a migrant farm worker. An amazing poker player, and although I never knew it growing up, he could not read or write.

Dad whispers in my ear. "These people, they are the salt of the earth. Don't you ever forget it". These wealthy people, they don't have a father like I had. They don't have a leader. They know not from where their power comes. They have no respect for the very people whose shoulders they stand upon. Entitled, self-absorbed, consider themselves "special". No, you don't get bonus points for climbing out of the right womb. Or at least you shouldn't. Carry your weight, live up to your responsibility, have HONOR.

 

[beagle9]

It was years ago. My grandfather's funeral. The largest funeral I had ever attended, until my fathers. Grandpaw was five foot nothing, a farmer, a plumber, raised a migrant farm worker. An amazing poker player, and although I never knew it growing up, he could not read or write.

Dad whispers in my ear. "These people, they are the salt of the earth. Don't you ever forget it". These wealthy people, they don't have a father like I had. They don't have a leader. They know not from where their power comes. They have no respect for the very people whose shoulders they stand upon. Entitled, self-absorbed, consider themselves "special". No, you don't get bonus points for climbing out of the right womb. Or at least you shouldn't. Carry your weight, live up to your responsibility, have HONOR.

Great story, and in most cases sadly enough "yes", the rich are many times blinded by their wealth, and worse they are definitely blinded by their greed in a self-made and/or self-righteous kind of way. God had been abandoned by the rich man in what was once his daily prayers, and therefore he giveth no thanks or praise to God for any of the blessings that he has recieved upon this earth.

For it is that a rich man shall struggle greatly to enter the kingdom, otherwise just as a camel goes forth through the eye of a needle, so shall the rich man go that way as well.

 

[Hollie]

And wealth should NOT be spread equally. Otherwise, what’s the incentive to study hard, win admission to a competitive university, pick a marketable major and work hard through your college years, and the compete for a good job, put in all the time and work, and enjoy the fruits of your labors if you know your earnings will be “redistributed” to a high school grad who spent evenings at clubs and holds a simple job that requires little effort so both of you can be “equal”?

Thus the democrat party is modeled on communism / socialism.

The equity™ slogan involves wealth stealing and redistribution.

 

[Winston]

And wealth should NOT be spread equally. Otherwise, what’s the incentive to study hard, win admission to a competitive university, pick a marketable major and work hard through your college years, and the compete for a good job, put in all the time and work, and enjoy the fruits of your labors if you know your earnings will be “redistributed” to a high school grad who spent evenings at clubs and holds a simple job that requires little effort so both of you can be “equal”?

No one is claiming all wealth should be spread equally. Everyone should have equal opportunity. And, a perfect example of the wealthy not appreciated what they are granted, let's talk about wealth redistribution. Two students, one living in a country club development and attending a brand new modern high school. Other student, lives in the projects, attends an antiquated high school where the walls are molding and the textbooks are ten years old. Both parents pay taxes, but whose kid gets most of the benefits.

So, one student gets admitted to a competitive university. The other takes a job right out of high school. In fact, now he is an active taxpayer. The other kid only works part time while in school. The working kid pays more in taxes than the student, but the student is benefiting from the millions of dollars spent by the state at that public university. How is wealth being redistributed now?

Then there are student loans, grants, endowments, fellowships--how is that wealth being redistributed?

Down the road, the college student graduates, buys a nice house, in a nice neighborhood, with good schools. The other guy, like you said, he shares an apartment with his roommate. The college graduate has a 30 year mortgage, deducts the interest from his tax bill. The worker that doesn't own a home subsidizes the home owner. How is wealth being redistributed here?

Now the worker, he pays taxes, he has health insurance, but he struggles to pay his copays and it is hard to fund his 401K. The college graduate, he fully funds his 401k, fully funds a Roth-IRA, and fully funds an HSA. He hasn't paid a medical bill with after-tax dollars in a decade of raising a family. He gets tens of thousands of dollars in tax breaks, they are called tax expenditures, once again, how is wealth being redistributed here?

 

[Woodznutz]

Bullshit. You can get "necessities" just from working at McDonalds.

Sure, if you're single.

 

[Woodznutz]

Bullshit. You can get "necessities" just from working at McDonalds.

So, a paraplegic (through no fault of their own) could work at McDonald's?

I have often used McDonald's as an example of an "entry-level" job that can lead to financial success.

 

[hadit]

The way to solve that is to choke off government revenues by reducing the need for taxes. Of course, that requires that people be taught the law of unintended consequences, or the domino theory.

Wealth chases power and power chases wealth. The only way to reduce the influence wealth has on government is to reduce the power government has to sell.

Unfortunately, that will never happen, as government power moves in one direction and it is never given up once obtained. Whenever you here the following, expect your wallet to deflate and your freedom to be reduced:

"For the children"
"Safety"
"You don't need that much"
"Because fairness"

 

[Godboy]

Sure, if you're single.

Having children isnt a necessity. Humans have a responsibility to only have children if they can afford them.

 

[Godboy]

So, a paraplegic (through no fault of their own) could work at McDonald's?

I have often used McDonald's as an example of an "entry-level" job that can lead to financial success.

Paraplegics dont work at all. They are on "full disability".

 

[Woodznutz]

Having children isnt a necessity. Humans have a responsibility to only have children if they can afford them.

I agree, and many wait until they can. However, once you have kids it's necessary to provide for their needs.

 

[DennisPTate]

Let's keep this simple...

How can we as a nation support total idiots making millions of dollar's in incomes, and then negatively affecting this nation by way of the power and influence they are gaining from that income ?

When I see total idiots making upwards of 7 figures in incomes I have to ask, how is that possible today ?????
Have we lost our ability to discern between the differences in merit/professional behaviour verses pure BS ???

Look at the crazy that has taken place in this country by allowing crazy people to gain power by way of gains in income that doesn't meet the quality expectation that should be required of the individual's before receiving the gross amounts in incomes they are receiving ???

Losing our ability to use standards and the assessment of character in order to gauge whether or not a person is qualified by character (not necessarily education or skill set), but by being a type of person that is on a level in character that will be a positive influence in society, as well as in government if so chose that path in life.

There is a saying that about twenty percent of the population of the USA and Canada do about eighty percent of the most valuable work.

The idea of NOT taxing overtime... is brilliant.....
because this gives your most capable and skilled workers an incentive to work even more......
which increases the value of the USA fiat Dollar....
because the USA Dollar is backed up by the Productivity of American workers.

 

[beagle9]

No one is claiming all wealth should be spread equally. Everyone should have equal opportunity. And, a perfect example of the wealthy not appreciated what they are granted, let's talk about wealth redistribution. Two students, one living in a country club development and attending a brand new modern high school. Other student, lives in the projects, attends an antiquated high school where the walls are molding and the textbooks are ten years old. Both parents pay taxes, but whose kid gets most of the benefits.

So, one student gets admitted to a competitive university. The other takes a job right out of high school. In fact, now he is an active taxpayer. The other kid only works part time while in school. The working kid pays more in taxes than the student, but the student is benefiting from the millions of dollars spent by the state at that public university. How is wealth being redistributed now?

Then there are student loans, grants, endowments, fellowships--how is that wealth being redistributed?

Down the road, the college student graduates, buys a nice house, in a nice neighborhood, with good schools. The other guy, like you said, he shares an apartment with his roommate. The college graduate has a 30 year mortgage, deducts the interest from his tax bill. The worker that doesn't own a home subsidizes the home owner. How is wealth being redistributed here?

Now the worker, he pays taxes, he has health insurance, but he struggles to pay his copays and it is hard to fund his 401K. The college graduate, he fully funds his 401k, fully funds a Roth-IRA, and fully funds an HSA. He hasn't paid a medical bill with after-tax dollars in a decade of raising a family. He gets tens of thousands of dollars in tax breaks, they are called tax expenditures, once again, how is wealth being redistributed here?

Always remember the mitigating factors involved, and the cultural choices made by adult's that are unfortunately then in many cases visited upon their children.

It's absolutely impossible for government to blanketly assess every situation, and then ignore the free choices made by people that end up holding them and their families back.

When government does intervene using idiotic government officials with political agendas involved, and it attempts to use tax payer funds to correct entrenched poverty caused by the freedom of choices people make, this is when it teaches people that there is no consequences for their bad choices made when the program is administered wrongfully, and is administered by wackadoodles.

It also becomes theft by the taking of citizen's tax money paid in honestly in order to bail out people that usually re-offend or become dependent on that stolen money that the government continues to steal for them.

Make it make sense.....

 

[Winston]

Always remember the mitigating factors involved, and the cultural choices made by adult's that are unfortunately then in many cases visited upon their children.

It's absolutely impossible for government to blanketly assess every situation, and then ignore the free choices made by people that end up holding them and their families back.

When government does intervene using idiotic government officials with political agendas involved, and it attempts to use tax payer funds to correct entrenched poverty caused by the freedom of choices people make, this is when it teaches people that there is no consequences for their bad choices made when the program is administered wrongfully, and is administered by wackadoodles.

It also becomes theft by the taking of citizen's tax money paid in honestly in order to bail out people that usually re-offend or become dependent on that stolen money that the government continues to steal for them.

Make it make sense.....

First, we have to eliminate the benefit cliff. You can't talk about bringing people out of poverty, you can't talk about entrenched poverty when, while climbing out, these people face marginal tax rates North of 85%. I mean think about, screaming pull yourself up by your bootstraps, you get fifteen cents on the dollar. WTF. You can go straight to hell. Makes no sense.

Easy answer, guaranteed minimum income. Our society is evolving, this ain't Nazi Germany, Arbeit macht Frei, **** that. And if you ask me, if someone can live off that minimum income, has no more motivation than that, eating bon-bons and watching Wheel of Fortune every night. Great, small price to pay to keep them out of my damn way.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

And wealth should NOT be spread equally. Otherwise, what’s the incentive to study hard, win admission to a competitive university, pick a marketable major and work hard through your college years, and the compete for a good job, put in all the time and work, and enjoy the fruits of your labors if you know your earnings will be “redistributed” to a high school grad who spent evenings at clubs and holds a simple job that requires little effort so both of you can be “equal”?

We Don't Owe a Living to Those Who Own the World

Sacrifice has no merit; it is merely brown-nosing to the Scrooges who desire to have power over their future employees. The Buttboys for the Bosses are generic workoholic zombies who take away the jobs of the talented.

The naturally talented are owed those jobs if we are to make economic progress.
They can do a better job with less time and effort. Higher productivity benefits everybody. The yes-men only benefit themselves.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Agree, but isn't it about character really ? I've seen people work their way up from terrible situations in life, and they never got an education or equal footing with the best of the best, but they had determination and grit, and once they overcame the sky became the limit. Their are many rich that came from nothing, and they never had the education that other's may have gotten in life, but they were smart enough to claw their way out of the hole, and they self educated themselves along the way. They never accepted failure as an option, and they did well in their lives regardless of the handicap they may have had in the beginning.

The Rugged Individualist Runs Himself Ragged

As long as we have birth privileges crushing opportunities, a self-made man will become a self-destroyed man. Proof that he regrets what he had to do to himself to achieve success is the fact that he sets his son up in that success without the son having to work for it.