Zone1 Income inequality can be a a real thing.....

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Income inequality is caused by skills inequality.
If you want to make more money you need a marketable skill.
If you want to make a lot money; you need to own a business.

 

[beagle9]

Income inequality is caused by skills inequality.
If you want to make more money you need a marketable skill.
If you want to make a lot money; you need to own a business.

We need to focus here, and so maybe the word income inequality was the wrong word to use in the reasoning for this OP.

What bothers me is the income being possessed by idiots verses non-idiots today. Not sure how it's happening or what levers are being pulled, but idiots ending up in revenue streams valued at 6 and 7 figures is an eye opener these day's for sure.

It has nothing to do with skill sets, education, hard work or inheritance these day's, but it has everything to do with access points, and whose at those access points opening the doorways to complete and utter idiots these day's.

The words that Martin Luther King's speech illustrated for us, and sadly we had to have those words reminded to us once again in life (i.e.words we had practiced for year's prior as Christian's, but unfortunately they didn't include other's for stupid reason's at various times), were words we should have guarded forever.

Once forgotten is when this country became a socially engineered project that slowly caused the nation to abandon the evaluation of "character", and started this new inclusion concept based upon false premises that destroyed the concept of evaluating "character first", and then all else came afterwards.

Character based upon simple Godly concepts that all can easily agree upon, should of course be the first part of any interview (bring back character references and a test of one's character). After that it should be determined what one's potential should be, but based upon character first.

Total idiots should not be in possession of big bucks causing chaos in society. We've now seen this film, and it's a horror show.

That's my take....

 

[Winston]

Another post that misses the point being made yet again.. Get away from the numbers part, and begin to focus on the types of character's that are holding great amounts of wealth today. Can you all do that at the least ?

Should character not be considered as yet another important stepping stone on the way to that pot of gold or should anyone regardless of character be able to get that pot of gold ??

I think you are seeing a symptom, not the problem. Yes, some very unsavory people have managed to attain wealth. But it is our system that provides that result. Look at how we finance education, mostly with property tax dollars. The result is an unequal, segregated, system in which the wealthy are given more resources and more opportunities.

Again, I have said this many times. In America, a student, scoring in the top quintile in standardized test scores, but living in a household in the bottom quintile of income, is less likely to graduate from college than a student in the BOTTOM quintile in test scores but in the top quintile of income. I mean no wonder we are going to hell in a handbasket.

No, the character of our wealthy is something WE created. Think about it. Almost 100 years ago, Depression kicking in, unemployment rate at 25%, bread lines that wrapped around city blocks. You know who was an American hero? Frank J. Wilson, most notably, AN IRS AGENT. He was a real hero, made the crooks and made the wealthy pay. Not totally sure he didn't land here from Krypton or something. He was that badass.

My have things have changed. Now, IRS agents are bad guys. Those good people that lived through the depression, that rallied behind Wilson and making the wealthy pay their fair share, they would be absolutely appalled at the State of the IRS today. Audits of wealthy are down, like damn near non-existent, I guess we are on an "honor" program. The IRS is required, by law, to audit the president and the vice-president. Hell, they haven't got Trump's done from his first term, let alone Biden.

We choose our heroes. We can not blame the chosen. We can only blame ourselves.

 

[Winston]

We need to focus here, and so maybe the word income inequality was the wrong word to use in the reasoning for this OP.

What bothers me is the income being possessed by idiots verses non-idiots today. Not sure how it's happening or what levers are being pulled, but idiots ending up in revenue streams valued at 6 and 7 figures is an eye opener these day's for sure.

It has nothing to do with skill sets, education, hard work or inheritance these day's, but it has everything to do with access points, and whose at those access points opening the doorways to complete and utter idiots these day's.

The words that Martin Luther King's speech illustrated for us, and sadly we had to have those words reminded to us once again in life (i.e.words we had practiced for year's prior as Christian's, but unfortunately they didn't include other's for stupid reason's at various times), were words we should have guarded forever.

Once forgotten is when this country became a socially engineered project that slowly caused the nation to abandon the evaluation of "character", and started this new inclusion concept based upon false premises that destroyed the concept of evaluating "character first", and then all else came afterwards.

Character based upon simple Godly concepts that all can easily agree upon, should of course be the first part of any interview (bring back character references and a test of one's character). After that it should be determined what one's potential should be, but based upon character first.

Total idiots should not be in possession of big bucks causing chaos in society. We've now seen this film, and it's a horror show.

That's my take....

I think the word you are looking for, "Honor". I mean it was more than 40 years ago. Freshman English class, man, I loved English. Professor asks the class, "Can anyone give me an example of a word that is going extinct".

Look, this is Carolina and it is prep city. But me, well I came out of a tractor school. Only one in my class at Carolina, 14 at State. Long hair, cowboy boots, vintage concert t-shirt underneath a flannel shirt, and a deep Southern Appalachia drawl that had already endeared me with the professor. "Honor", I spout out. He absolutely flips shit. Screaming yes. It has only got worse since then.

And from my experience, which is extensive and diverse, honor is almost gone. I mean it is dog eat dog out there. There is no respect for boundaries, for laws, for personal space. And I am sorry, the sack don't rot from the top down, it rots from the bottom up.

 

[sartre play]

Wealth has never been spread equally and never will be. We are humans after all.

TRUE, but have we given up on any effort to have some balance, and just let the ultra rich have it all?

 

[Meathead]

TRUE, but have we given up on any effort to have some balance, and just let the ultra rich have it all?

What do you think a progressive tax structure is?

 

[BackAgain]

Let's keep this simple...

How can we as a nation support total idiots making millions of dollar's in incomes, and then negatively affecting this nation by way of the power and influence they are gaining from that income ?

When I see total idiots making upwards of 7 figures in incomes I have to ask, how is that possible today ?????
Have we lost our ability to discern between the differences in merit/professional behaviour verses pure BS ???

Look at the crazy that has taken place in this country by allowing crazy people to gain power by way of gains in income that doesn't meet the quality expectation that should be required of the individual's before receiving the gross amounts in incomes they are receiving ???

Losing our ability to use standards and the assessment of character in order to gauge whether or not a person is qualified by character (not necessarily education or skill set), but by being a type of person that is on a level in character that will be a positive influence in society, as well as in government if so chose that path in life.

This whole canard about “income inequality” is ridiculous.

What are its underlying premises?

Does it mean that some people earn more than other people earn? That is true but it’s a completely trivial fact. Some people work harder or smarter or more productively than others.

So what?

 

[Concerned American]

How does he wind up making millions per year?

She gets elected to congress, e.g. AOC and Omar.

 

[BackAgain]

If we had a so-called “flat tax,” those earning more income than others earn would pay more in taxes.

It is never explained how this constitutes anything “unfair.”

 

[Lisa558]

TRUE, but have we given up on any effort to have some balance, and just let the ultra rich have it all?

How do they have it all? People who went to college or otherwise trained for a career have homes, cars, go out to eat, take vacations, etc., etc. If the ultra-rich had it ALL, nobody would have any of that.

 

[beagle9]

I think you are seeing a symptom, not the problem. Yes, some very unsavory people have managed to attain wealth. But it is our system that provides that result. Look at how we finance education, mostly with property tax dollars. The result is an unequal, segregated, system in which the wealthy are given more resources and more opportunities.

Again, I have said this many times. In America, a student, scoring in the top quintile in standardized test scores, but living in a household in the bottom quintile of income, is less likely to graduate from college than a student in the BOTTOM quintile in test scores but in the top quintile of income. I mean no wonder we are going to hell in a handbasket.

No, the character of our wealthy is something WE created. Think about it. Almost 100 years ago, Depression kicking in, unemployment rate at 25%, bread lines that wrapped around city blocks. You know who was an American hero? Frank J. Wilson, most notably, AN IRS AGENT. He was a real hero, made the crooks and made the wealthy pay. Not totally sure he didn't land here from Krypton or something. He was that badass.

My have things have changed. Now, IRS agents are bad guys. Those good people that lived through the depression, that rallied behind Wilson and making the wealthy pay their fair share, they would be absolutely appalled at the State of the IRS today. Audits of wealthy are down, like damn near non-existent, I guess we are on an "honor" program. The IRS is required, by law, to audit the president and the vice-president. Hell, they haven't got Trump's done from his first term, let alone Biden.

We choose our heroes. We can not blame the chosen. We can only blame ourselves.

A lot going on in this post, but let's keep it simple in order to figure out how idiots have ended up with 6 to 7 figure incomes or positions in the senate, congress, governorship, and right on down the line speaking some of the most ridiculous BS that people of any sense have ever heard.... Normal people with any kind of common sense will immediately see red flags flying all over the place.

This I believe has become an epidemic in this country now.

 

[beagle9]

I think the word you are looking for, "Honor". I mean it was more than 40 years ago. Freshman English class, man, I loved English. Professor asks the class, "Can anyone give me an example of a word that is going extinct".

Look, this is Carolina and it is prep city. But me, well I came out of a tractor school. Only one in my class at Carolina, 14 at State. Long hair, cowboy boots, vintage concert t-shirt underneath a flannel shirt, and a deep Southern Appalachia drawl that had already endeared me with the professor. "Honor", I spout out. He absolutely flips shit. Screaming yes. It has only got worse since then.

And from my experience, which is extensive and diverse, honor is almost gone. I mean it is dog eat dog out there. There is no respect for boundaries, for laws, for personal space. And I am sorry, the sack don't rot from the top down, it rots from the bottom up.

So honor is missing from character ? Yes I can buy that.

 

[dblack]

Let's keep this simple...

How can we as a nation support total idiots making millions of dollar's in incomes, and then negatively affecting this nation by way of the power and influence they are gaining from that income ?

Because, in some fashion, they're giving us what we want. Otherwise we wouldn't give them our money.

 

[beagle9]

This whole canard about “income inequality” is ridiculous.

What are its underlying premises?

Does it mean that some people earn more than other people earn? That is true but it’s a completely trivial fact. Some people work harder or smarter or more productively than others.

So what?

I have stated in another post that maybe income inequality wasn't the right word to use.

One poster began to touch on the "character" aspect of this OP, and/or the lack there of.

We can't figure out how people who have lost certain important aspects of their character, are still somehow able to skate on that fact or hide that fact, and yet still hold important positions in government bodies, corporation's and etc ????

 

[beagle9]

Because, in some fashion, they're giving us what we want. Otherwise we wouldn't give them our money.

Freely giving to them or are they forcing it through monopolies or corruption ???

 

[Godboy]

Where income inequality becomes a problem is when a large segment of the population can't afford the necessities of life through no fault of their own.

Bullshit. You can get "necessities" just from working at McDonalds.

 

[BackAgain]

I have stated in another post that maybe income inequality wasn't the right word to use.

One poster began to touch on the "character" aspect of this OP, and/or the lack there of.

We can't figure out how people who have lost certain important aspects of their character, are still somehow able to skate on that fact or hide that fact, and yet still hold important positions in government bodies, corporation's and etc ????

That sounds almost like it describes reality. However, the terms aren’t defined. And it can be credibly argued, that higher income has no particular connection with whatever you might mean by “character.”

It sort of sounds like this thread topic, to you, doesn’t really concern itself with income inequality, whatever that might mean.

Instead, your focus is on a logically unrelated topic: how do we best insure that only folks with truly sound character represent us? I think that’s far from an original question. I’m still wondering if there is any reasonable answer to it.

 

[dblack]

Freely giving to them or are they forcing it through monopolies or corruption ???

If they're forcing it through monopolies and corruption we should close them down.

 

[Winston]

I have stated in another post that maybe income inequality wasn't the right word to use.

One poster began to touch on the "character" aspect of this OP, and/or the lack there of.

We can't figure out how people who have lost certain important aspects of their character, are still somehow able to skate on that fact or hide that fact, and yet still hold important positions in government bodies, corporation's and etc ????

We can take care of the important positions in government by requiring, and enforcing, strong mortality clauses. Insider trading, sexual impropriety, bribes and kickbacks. Honestly, anyone in a leadership position needs to bend over backwards to not even appear to be tainted, in any way. But that is on the public, we have accepted it. You can bet, it would not have happened two hundred years ago.

Davy Crockett is one of my favorite examples. He was a representative, from Tennessee. For one term, I think. He cast an unpopular vote, on a spending bill no less, and he would be the first to tell you, the people of Tennessee sent him packing. We don't do that. Hell, we got state representatives running from hospices, hell, prisons even. And Congress itself has become a total disgrace.

 

[beagle9]

How do people feel when they've done what is right in life, worked hard, raised their family right, contributed to their communities and nation, shown good character as well as endurance, and possesses a Godly set of standards to be honored in life, yet only to see complete idiots making 6 and 7 figures, and worse being in government positions that allows them dominion over you, and even worse than that affecting policy that is even crazier than they are ????

I watch and listen to these Democrats and their idiocy, and I am just amazed by it all.