In light of the Texas church massacre I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

[hazlnut]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

How about when someone buys 30 guns in a year, the police are notified?

Track guns the way states track autos.

The gun grab is a far-right boogey man b.s. shit-for-brains belief.

There will never be a gun grab because no one cares about your guns unless you are insane or a criminal.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Usually, right wingers say: It's awful to bring up gun control when people are grieving.

It's how they get out of talking about gun control. How they twist things.

We don't mind talking about gun control. We're against it. There, happy now?

 

[John Shaw]

Is it wrong that I just don't care if these people are killed? I'm used to this kind of news. Not my problem. **** 'em. If you're scared, don't go to church.

 

[cnm]

Why don' you offer up your ideas rather than throwing a tantrum about my op.

Amend the Constitution. It's not rocket science.

 

[jon_berzerk]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.

that dont stop illegal guns

 

[radical right]

We don't mind talking about gun control. We're against it. There, happy now?

Is there any number of mass murders (or murder totals) that you think is too high:

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Usually, right wingers say: It's awful to bring up gun control when people are grieving.

It's how they get out of talking about gun control. How they twist things.

Usually leftards want to propose anti constitutional nonsense. This thread is ment to inspire a rational discussion. I know that's a tall order for you but I can only hope

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.

that dont stop illegal guns

It is just ment as a point of how irrational the ultimate goal of many on the left is.

That point apparently escaped many. But whatever

 

[John Shaw]

I remember some guy on the radio pointing out that getting people to talk about "gun control" laws is nearly impossible, but much easier to get them to talk about "gun safety" laws. Control sounds hard and domineering, while safety ... well, it's much harder to argue against safety than control, isn't it? Who doesn't want to be safe?

Step no.1 to making effective changes to lax gun laws: stop calling it gun control. You're ending the conversation before it even starts.

 

[DumpTrump]

Your facts lack basic logic.

 

[Timmy]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

I’m so tired of this BS Reasoning . Would you say the same about illiegal immigration ?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

I’m so tired of this BS Reasoning . Would you say the same about illiegal immigration ?

Stay on topic tard.

Point out the bs instead of trying to change the subject

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

No one is advocating ‘banning’ or ‘confiscating’ guns.

As for ‘criminals don’t obey the law,' for this failed ‘argument’ to be valid and consistent we should also repeal laws against murder, rape, and assault.

You’ve provided no ‘facts’ – you’ve only exhibited your ignorance and inability to reason.

 

[John Shaw]

The murder, rape, and assault comparison doesn't work. A gun is a tool. Banning a gun is the same as banning a tool. Murder, rape, and assault are actions. Not only are they actions, but actions that are only intended to do harm and have no capacity for protecting people (murder and assault are disqualified because defending one's self or one's companions with violence is called self-defense).

An illegal immigrant should simply not be in the country, whereas the 2nd amendment is in the constitution. So that's not really up for comparison either.

 

[Lakhota]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

No one is advocating ‘banning’ or ‘confiscating’ guns.

As for ‘criminals don’t obey the law,' for this failed ‘argument’ to be valid and consistent we should also repeal laws against murder, rape, and assault.

You’ve provided no ‘facts’ – you’ve only exhibited your ignorance and inability to reason.

I agree! Thank you! It's the usual hyperbole from the OP.

 

[sealybobo]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

why did a guy with a dihonorable discharge have such a powerful gun?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

kinda like banning trucks

Banning non citizen Muslim immgrants from truck rentals is a no brainer imo.

You’ve clearly demonstrated you have no brain.

Enacting a law that seeks to disadvantage a LPRA for no other reason than being Muslim violates both the First and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution.

It would also violate Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

And yes, non-citizens are entitled to Constitutional protections.

This is the sort of stupidity, bigotry, and hate common to most on the authoritarian right that poses the greatest threat to our Nation.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Don' forget when there is another shooting by a Muslim then banning Muslims will work.
The same solution they say won't work is the one solution they say will work

Muslims not born here have NO RIGHT TO BE HERE.

Now why don't you TRY posting on topic...

You truly are a ridiculous bigot.

There is nothing about being Muslim that would warrant not allowing Muslims coming to the United States, or compelling them to leave.

Being Muslim does not ‘predispose’ one to being a terrorist.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And yes, non-citizens are entitled to Constitutional protections.

Not if we don't let them in in the first place.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We don't mind talking about gun control. We're against it. There, happy now?

Is there any number of mass murders (or murder totals) that you think is too high:

Irrelevant. The problem with "talking" about it is that nobody ever proposed a solution to stop it. That's because there is no solution except to allow people to protect themselves if possible.

If we look at it from an ownership point of view, the Democrats would eventually make it politics. If we look at it from a mental point of view, the Democrats would eventually make it politics.

For instance DumBama wanted to restrict firearms from people on SS who were disabled. Okay, how many disabled people on SS were responsible for mass murders, or even individual murders for that matter? Then there was talk about restricting firearms to people on the No Fly List. Okay, how many people on the No Fly List got a gun and committed mass murder or even an individual murder?

So you see, it's impossible to come up with any solution because Democrats think politics first--pragmatism last. It's all about politics with Democrats.

"Folks, Democrats measure success by intent. Republicans measure success by results."
Rush Limbaugh