Immigration....Who To Invite In?

[LilOlLady]

Let anyone in who comes through legally and vetted and have something to offer this country. No freeloaders like those in the caravans from south and central America with nothing but an empty belly and empty hands out. If you have something to offer you will come to the front door with credentials in your hand.

 

[LilOlLady]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

I'm a sucker for threads that start out as if to ask a question. I read the OP before the thread and proceed to try and read the thread while being flamed for asking more questions.

In your article, you ask about immigrants, not necessarily about undocumented foreigners. When we separate the two groups, it becomes apparent that those who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... Or do they? Actually neither side can definitively prove their case:

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

So, who do "we" let in? Constitutionally, that answer is best left to the states. Congress has only ONE job relative to people coming into the United States:

"Congress shall have the power ...to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution. I can't even find an immigration section in the Constitution.

If we want to go back to the Constitution as originally written and intended, this question is left up to the states. They are within their constitutional Rights to let whomever they want in. It's when those people want to become citizens that the feds have any real constitutional say.

"...who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... "


False.


1. Everyone who illegally enters is a criminal.

2. "The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election
These are felonies.

3. Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.



https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

And these are only federal statistics.

The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do


Yes, NPR: Illegal Immigration Does Increase Violent Crime



Wise up.


The only thing Democrats care about is that illegals do as Obama told them to.....vote.

We've gone that rabbit hole before; your stats are wrong, but I if I disprove them, I get caught up in the religion of the wall versus the Democrats.

When it comes to the federal tax, the best evidence is the Socialist Security Administration itself. They say 75 percent of undocumented immigrants get an Individual Tax Identification Number and pay the tax..

I don't give a rip anyway. The 16th Amendment was illegally ratified and I do not care about a plank out of the Communist Manifesto. IF ALL undocumented foreigners help bring down that blight and get rid of the IRS, I will consider them heroes. You defending the Communist Manifesto is one of the reasons I don't have a side in this discussion.

The IRS? Communist Manifesto? LMFAO

 

[Porter Rockwell]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

I'm a sucker for threads that start out as if to ask a question. I read the OP before the thread and proceed to try and read the thread while being flamed for asking more questions.

In your article, you ask about immigrants, not necessarily about undocumented foreigners. When we separate the two groups, it becomes apparent that those who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... Or do they? Actually neither side can definitively prove their case:

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

So, who do "we" let in? Constitutionally, that answer is best left to the states. Congress has only ONE job relative to people coming into the United States:

"Congress shall have the power ...to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution. I can't even find an immigration section in the Constitution.

If we want to go back to the Constitution as originally written and intended, this question is left up to the states. They are within their constitutional Rights to let whomever they want in. It's when those people want to become citizens that the feds have any real constitutional say.

"...who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... "


False.


1. Everyone who illegally enters is a criminal.

2. "The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election
These are felonies.

3. Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.



https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

And these are only federal statistics.

The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do


Yes, NPR: Illegal Immigration Does Increase Violent Crime



Wise up.


The only thing Democrats care about is that illegals do as Obama told them to.....vote.

We've gone that rabbit hole before; your stats are wrong, but I if I disprove them, I get caught up in the religion of the wall versus the Democrats.

When it comes to the federal tax, the best evidence is the Socialist Security Administration itself. They say 75 percent of undocumented immigrants get an Individual Tax Identification Number and pay the tax..

I don't give a rip anyway. The 16th Amendment was illegally ratified and I do not care about a plank out of the Communist Manifesto. IF ALL undocumented foreigners help bring down that blight and get rid of the IRS, I will consider them heroes. You defending the Communist Manifesto is one of the reasons I don't have a side in this discussion.

The IRS? Communist Manifesto? LMFAO

What, exactly, are finding so funny? OR you don't understand the issues?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Let anyone in who comes through legally and vetted and have something to offer this country. No freeloaders like those in the caravans from south and central America with nothing but an empty belly and empty hands out. If you have something to offer you will come to the front door with credentials in your hand.

How do you propose we vet people from a foreign country that may want to stick us with people they don't want to deal with? How does this work out in your mind?

Did you ever read what is at the base of the Statue of Liberty?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Were some of those YOUR ancestors? Or did your ancestors come here with the wealth of a DuPont or Rockefeller?

 

[PoliticalChic]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

I'm a sucker for threads that start out as if to ask a question. I read the OP before the thread and proceed to try and read the thread while being flamed for asking more questions.

In your article, you ask about immigrants, not necessarily about undocumented foreigners. When we separate the two groups, it becomes apparent that those who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... Or do they? Actually neither side can definitively prove their case:

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

So, who do "we" let in? Constitutionally, that answer is best left to the states. Congress has only ONE job relative to people coming into the United States:

"Congress shall have the power ...to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution. I can't even find an immigration section in the Constitution.

If we want to go back to the Constitution as originally written and intended, this question is left up to the states. They are within their constitutional Rights to let whomever they want in. It's when those people want to become citizens that the feds have any real constitutional say.

"...who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... "


False.


1. Everyone who illegally enters is a criminal.

2. "The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election
These are felonies.

3. Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.



https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

And these are only federal statistics.

The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do


Yes, NPR: Illegal Immigration Does Increase Violent Crime



Wise up.


The only thing Democrats care about is that illegals do as Obama told them to.....vote.

"64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Federal arrests of non-citizens has increased exponentially over the past two decades, and account for the majority of all federal arrests, data released by the Justice Department revealed.

Non-citizens made up 64% of all federal arrests in 2018 despite making up 7% of the U.S. population, according to Justice Department data released Thursday and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. Between 1998 and 2018, federal arrests of non-citizens grew by 234%, while federal arrests of U.S. citizens climbed 10%.

While the numbers provide credence to President Donald Trump’s argument that illegal immigration results in increased crime, immigration experts also pointed out that migrant apprehensions make up a significant portion of current federal arrests.

“Experience has taught the immigration agencies and DOJ that this works to reduce recidivism — in other words, when illegal crossers face some more severe consequence than just being sent back home, they don’t keep doing it,” Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies told the Washington Examiner. 64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

 

[Porter Rockwell]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

I'm a sucker for threads that start out as if to ask a question. I read the OP before the thread and proceed to try and read the thread while being flamed for asking more questions.

In your article, you ask about immigrants, not necessarily about undocumented foreigners. When we separate the two groups, it becomes apparent that those who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... Or do they? Actually neither side can definitively prove their case:

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

So, who do "we" let in? Constitutionally, that answer is best left to the states. Congress has only ONE job relative to people coming into the United States:

"Congress shall have the power ...to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution. I can't even find an immigration section in the Constitution.

If we want to go back to the Constitution as originally written and intended, this question is left up to the states. They are within their constitutional Rights to let whomever they want in. It's when those people want to become citizens that the feds have any real constitutional say.

"...who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... "


False.


1. Everyone who illegally enters is a criminal.

2. "The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election
These are felonies.

3. Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.



https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

And these are only federal statistics.

The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do


Yes, NPR: Illegal Immigration Does Increase Violent Crime



Wise up.


The only thing Democrats care about is that illegals do as Obama told them to.....vote.

"64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Federal arrests of non-citizens has increased exponentially over the past two decades, and account for the majority of all federal arrests, data released by the Justice Department revealed.

Non-citizens made up 64% of all federal arrests in 2018 despite making up 7% of the U.S. population, according to Justice Department data released Thursday and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. Between 1998 and 2018, federal arrests of non-citizens grew by 234%, while federal arrests of U.S. citizens climbed 10%.

While the numbers provide credence to President Donald Trump’s argument that illegal immigration results in increased crime, immigration experts also pointed out that migrant apprehensions make up a significant portion of current federal arrests.

“Experience has taught the immigration agencies and DOJ that this works to reduce recidivism — in other words, when illegal crossers face some more severe consequence than just being sent back home, they don’t keep doing it,” Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies told the Washington Examiner. 64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand:

1) These arrests do not differentiate between those who entered the United States via proper channels and those who committed the federal civil misdemeanor of Improper Entry

2) Most of these arrests are for misdemeanors

3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in.

Honestly, I'm trying to understand your point here. All these federal laws that purport to keep foreigners from entering the United States have no basis in fact in an original interpretation of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was illegally ratified and that gave you so many Hispanic citizens that now you're pissing in the wind UNLESS you mount a war of civil disobedience and declare the 14th Amendment null and void. Of course, that will mean no more Hispanic, Black, Muslim, or other non-whites will qualify for citizenship.

Congress cannot, constitutionally speaking, tell the states who they can and cannot allow in. That makes your misdemeanor Improper Entry statute have as much weight as the pot laws in the United States. People simply don't obey unconstitutional laws.

Perhaps you'd fare better to explain your objectives and what you think America should be.

 

[PoliticalChic]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

I'm a sucker for threads that start out as if to ask a question. I read the OP before the thread and proceed to try and read the thread while being flamed for asking more questions.

In your article, you ask about immigrants, not necessarily about undocumented foreigners. When we separate the two groups, it becomes apparent that those who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... Or do they? Actually neither side can definitively prove their case:

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

So, who do "we" let in? Constitutionally, that answer is best left to the states. Congress has only ONE job relative to people coming into the United States:

"Congress shall have the power ...to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution. I can't even find an immigration section in the Constitution.

If we want to go back to the Constitution as originally written and intended, this question is left up to the states. They are within their constitutional Rights to let whomever they want in. It's when those people want to become citizens that the feds have any real constitutional say.

"...who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... "


False.


1. Everyone who illegally enters is a criminal.

2. "The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election
These are felonies.

3. Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.



https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

And these are only federal statistics.

The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do


Yes, NPR: Illegal Immigration Does Increase Violent Crime



Wise up.


The only thing Democrats care about is that illegals do as Obama told them to.....vote.

"64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Federal arrests of non-citizens has increased exponentially over the past two decades, and account for the majority of all federal arrests, data released by the Justice Department revealed.

Non-citizens made up 64% of all federal arrests in 2018 despite making up 7% of the U.S. population, according to Justice Department data released Thursday and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. Between 1998 and 2018, federal arrests of non-citizens grew by 234%, while federal arrests of U.S. citizens climbed 10%.

While the numbers provide credence to President Donald Trump’s argument that illegal immigration results in increased crime, immigration experts also pointed out that migrant apprehensions make up a significant portion of current federal arrests.

“Experience has taught the immigration agencies and DOJ that this works to reduce recidivism — in other words, when illegal crossers face some more severe consequence than just being sent back home, they don’t keep doing it,” Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies told the Washington Examiner. 64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand:

1) These arrests do not differentiate between those who entered the United States via proper channels and those who committed the federal civil misdemeanor of Improper Entry

2) Most of these arrests are for misdemeanors

3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in.

Honestly, I'm trying to understand your point here. All these federal laws that purport to keep foreigners from entering the United States have no basis in fact in an original interpretation of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was illegally ratified and that gave you so many Hispanic citizens that now you're pissing in the wind UNLESS you mount a war of civil disobedience and declare the 14th Amendment null and void. Of course, that will mean no more Hispanic, Black, Muslim, or other non-whites will qualify for citizenship.

Congress cannot, constitutionally speaking, tell the states who they can and cannot allow in. That makes your misdemeanor Improper Entry statute have as much weight as the pot laws in the United States. People simply don't obey unconstitutional laws.

Perhaps you'd fare better to explain your objectives and what you think America should be.

"Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand"



1. Let's elucidate, and expose your stupidity and bias.

Extrapolate is the wrong word..."extend the application of (a method or conclusion, especially one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing trends will continue or similar methods will be applicable.
"the results cannot be extrapolated to other patient groups"

There is no 'unknown situation' here, as you were unable to deny the very headline of the article I quoted.

You appear to be on of those uneducated who throw in words they cannot define to appear more educated than you are.

You're a government school grad, huh?



2. This would be the correct term to use: spin.
Spin…altering the truth without altering the facts.

A lie which has somehow been legitimized by an uneducated public. Seenewspeak, doublespeak

Public relations term, referring to slightly altering facts to portray a desired version of a story.

Your post is an attempt to spin the truth.



3. Every individual who sneaks across our border is a criminal.
As is every Democrat who aids, abets, and supports said illegality.
Raise your paw.



4. "3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in."
Oh....so you feel the need to self-identify as a lying low-life Liberal?
Not necessary.

"Throughout the history of the United States the Supreme Court has upheld all manner of federal statutes regulating immigration. By contrast, Supreme Court decisions preclude states from passing legislation that directly impinges on this area of federal dominion. The Supreme Court’s basis for action is clear when the area regulated is naturalization. Article 1, § 8, clause 4, of the United States Constitution specifically grants Congress the power to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization." By expressly allocating this power to Congress, the Constitution prevents the confusion that would result if individual states could bestow citizenship. The Constitution does not, however, explicitly provide that the power to deny admission or remove non-citizens rests with the federal government as opposed to state governments. Hence, in the early immigration cases the Supreme Court faced the problem of identifying the source of the federal government's exclusive and plenary power over immigration. Later cases found the plenary power to be an inherent sovereign power."
Chapter 2: The source and scope of the federal power to regulate immigration and naturalization


5. BTW....why do disgusting Leftist scum like you hate America??????

 

[danielpalos]

why can't the right wing, understand the words actually written in our supreme law of the land?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

I'm a sucker for threads that start out as if to ask a question. I read the OP before the thread and proceed to try and read the thread while being flamed for asking more questions.

In your article, you ask about immigrants, not necessarily about undocumented foreigners. When we separate the two groups, it becomes apparent that those who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... Or do they? Actually neither side can definitively prove their case:

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

So, who do "we" let in? Constitutionally, that answer is best left to the states. Congress has only ONE job relative to people coming into the United States:

"Congress shall have the power ...to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution. I can't even find an immigration section in the Constitution.

If we want to go back to the Constitution as originally written and intended, this question is left up to the states. They are within their constitutional Rights to let whomever they want in. It's when those people want to become citizens that the feds have any real constitutional say.

"...who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... "


False.


1. Everyone who illegally enters is a criminal.

2. "The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election
These are felonies.

3. Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.



https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

And these are only federal statistics.

The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do


Yes, NPR: Illegal Immigration Does Increase Violent Crime



Wise up.


The only thing Democrats care about is that illegals do as Obama told them to.....vote.

"64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Federal arrests of non-citizens has increased exponentially over the past two decades, and account for the majority of all federal arrests, data released by the Justice Department revealed.

Non-citizens made up 64% of all federal arrests in 2018 despite making up 7% of the U.S. population, according to Justice Department data released Thursday and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. Between 1998 and 2018, federal arrests of non-citizens grew by 234%, while federal arrests of U.S. citizens climbed 10%.

While the numbers provide credence to President Donald Trump’s argument that illegal immigration results in increased crime, immigration experts also pointed out that migrant apprehensions make up a significant portion of current federal arrests.

“Experience has taught the immigration agencies and DOJ that this works to reduce recidivism — in other words, when illegal crossers face some more severe consequence than just being sent back home, they don’t keep doing it,” Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies told the Washington Examiner. 64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand:

1) These arrests do not differentiate between those who entered the United States via proper channels and those who committed the federal civil misdemeanor of Improper Entry

2) Most of these arrests are for misdemeanors

3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in.

Honestly, I'm trying to understand your point here. All these federal laws that purport to keep foreigners from entering the United States have no basis in fact in an original interpretation of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was illegally ratified and that gave you so many Hispanic citizens that now you're pissing in the wind UNLESS you mount a war of civil disobedience and declare the 14th Amendment null and void. Of course, that will mean no more Hispanic, Black, Muslim, or other non-whites will qualify for citizenship.

Congress cannot, constitutionally speaking, tell the states who they can and cannot allow in. That makes your misdemeanor Improper Entry statute have as much weight as the pot laws in the United States. People simply don't obey unconstitutional laws.

Perhaps you'd fare better to explain your objectives and what you think America should be.

"Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand"



1. Let's elucidate, and expose your stupidity and bias.

Extrapolate is the wrong word..."extend the application of (a method or conclusion, especially one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing trends will continue or similar methods will be applicable.
"the results cannot be extrapolated to other patient groups"

There is no 'unknown situation' here, as you were unable to deny the very headline of the article I quoted.

You appear to be on of those uneducated who throw in words they cannot define to appear more educated than you are.

You're a government school grad, huh?



2. This would be the correct term to use: spin.
Spin…altering the truth without altering the facts.

A lie which has somehow been legitimized by an uneducated public. Seenewspeak, doublespeak

Public relations term, referring to slightly altering facts to portray a desired version of a story.

Your post is an attempt to spin the truth.



3. Every individual who sneaks across our border is a criminal.
As is every Democrat who aids, abets, and supports said illegality.
Raise your paw.



4. "3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in."
Oh....so you feel the need to self-identify as a lying low-life Liberal?
Not necessary.

"Throughout the history of the United States the Supreme Court has upheld all manner of federal statutes regulating immigration. By contrast, Supreme Court decisions preclude states from passing legislation that directly impinges on this area of federal dominion. The Supreme Court’s basis for action is clear when the area regulated is naturalization. Article 1, § 8, clause 4, of the United States Constitution specifically grants Congress the power to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization." By expressly allocating this power to Congress, the Constitution prevents the confusion that would result if individual states could bestow citizenship. The Constitution does not, however, explicitly provide that the power to deny admission or remove non-citizens rests with the federal government as opposed to state governments. Hence, in the early immigration cases the Supreme Court faced the problem of identifying the source of the federal government's exclusive and plenary power over immigration. Later cases found the plenary power to be an inherent sovereign power."
Chapter 2: The source and scope of the federal power to regulate immigration and naturalization


5. BTW....why do disgusting Leftist scum like you hate America??????

Leftist scum? Hate America?

Let me see:

* I have manned the border in a civilian border patrol unit, traveling close to 2000 miles on my own dime, not being paid, and living on my own money while being there

* I have had to fight for my life in two federal cases (one involving the so - called "Patriot Act"

* It was me that financed the meetings of the Georgia Patriot Network for over 15 years. I paid for the meeting hall that was used twice monthly (not counting special occasions) and supplied the equipment like speaker systems, audio equipment, etc.

From those meetings came such efforts as a major bill that would have repealed the 16th Amendment and gotten rid of the so - called income tax

* I've been shot at and missed, shot at and hit, beaten, jailed, lied to, lied about, stalked, had employers harassed for hiring me, maligned in the press, misquoted and misrepresented in the media.

* I co founded the Militia of Georgia and was elected to 5 consecutive terms by the citizens in Georgia to be the Commanding Officer

* I ghost wrote articles for the late Lt. Col. Gordon (Jack) Mohr (U.S. Army retired) and he was the first American captured during the Korean Conflict. He was beaten, tortured and sentenced to death, only to escape and go back to active duty. He also wrote manuals for the Army on brainwashing techniques. He was a founding member of the Militia of Georgia

* I am one of the original graduates of the S.P.I.K.E. program initiated by Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz, a former Green Beret and CIA operative. The organization I belong to is probably the only one left in the United States still teaching the program.

* My hometown newspaper, which got bought out by the Atlanta Constitution and then bankrupted, once had an editorial that said I was the most quoted man in the state of Georgia. Most people were spouting my observations without knowing where they come from

* My current job is a ministry where we focus on trying to get white males that have been disenfranchised (locked out of the system) back on their feet, working a job and producing for society. Lots of people might think that's "racist," but blacks have the NAACP; there are women shelters, and churches that cater to women and children, but no organization that understands the unique challenges of white males that took a wrong turn in life.

In addition, I went to school and studied law; I went back to school a couple of years ago and last finished my studies in theology (making that TWO Bible colleges I've graduated from in my life.) I've worked as a lobbyist and worked in immigration law for SIX years so that I would have the requisite knowledge to speak out from an informed point of view.

And your claim to fame is? Let me guess. You followed a bunch of dumb asses that started this immigration fight wherein political propaganda prostitutes raided the civilian militias and constitutionalist groups to offer America Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" to the immigration debacle. Let me guess a bit further:

You're probably so uneducated that you cannot realize that I know America has a problem with foreigners, but disagree with the solutions. Most likely, you fail to understand that the left has flipped the right. Now, both sides are headed to the same destination via different routes. You're probably too blind to see that the strategies you followed led to younger people getting involved in threatening language and acts that resulted in a couple of mass shootings. That is going to cost us our gun Rights, but you'd give up anything now to have a brown free America. Am I close?

You probably don't realize that the genesis of the organizations that pioneered your talking points began with murderers, terrorists, neo-nazis, and extremists that turned the majority of Americans against the right. So, what we don't see are constitutionalists. The anti-immigrants today are only putting Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" on the table and have declared war against anyone that dares to question your fragile theories about immigration.

I can tell you this: Your leadership (i.e. the people whose talking points you spew) has never had the courage to meet me in public and debate their differences with me. Oh, they'd attend meetings; we had an open mic both before and after each meeting. None of those cowards would face me in public, but get on these discussion boards and call me names a couple of hours after the meetings. You represent a group of people who have been convicted of murder, incest, having sex with minors (including relatives), supporting Neo- Nazi organizations, and proposing "solutions" to take away every God given, natural, unalienable, absolute, inherent and irrevocable Right you ever had on the false premise they are going to make America brown free. And you want to call me scum?

You want laws enforced that were put into place by Democrats and designed specifically to dilute the white vote... and you call me scum? Really? Your sources publish what they know, for a fact, is an absolute LIE. Your claims were that 75 percent of undocumented foreigners use stolen Socialist Surveillance Numbers ...ooops "Social Security Numbers" to get a job. You are a liar and every member on Capitol Hill knows you're lying so it destroys much of your credibility and that of people / organizations like you. Many foreigners get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the freaking income tax - which is based upon an illegally ratified Amendment that was taken from a plank out of the Communist Manifesto. So you're lying and supporting a plank out of the Communist Manifesto??? What does that make you?

America is being flooded with people from the third world, but your strategies and your policies - along with your inability to discuss this civilly absolutely guarantee that your side will FAIL. So, I ask you one last time, what does that make you? My problem with people like you is that you are selling out our Rights and not getting anything in return. What kind of freaking strategy is that???

 

[danielpalos]

Bigotry is all the right wing has.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with a naturalization clause. And, tourism if the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

 

[Unkotare]

I'm a sucker for threads that start out as if to ask a question. I read the OP before the thread and proceed to try and read the thread while being flamed for asking more questions.

In your article, you ask about immigrants, not necessarily about undocumented foreigners. When we separate the two groups, it becomes apparent that those who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... Or do they? Actually neither side can definitively prove their case:

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

So, who do "we" let in? Constitutionally, that answer is best left to the states. Congress has only ONE job relative to people coming into the United States:

"Congress shall have the power ...to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution. I can't even find an immigration section in the Constitution.

If we want to go back to the Constitution as originally written and intended, this question is left up to the states. They are within their constitutional Rights to let whomever they want in. It's when those people want to become citizens that the feds have any real constitutional say.

"...who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... "


False.


1. Everyone who illegally enters is a criminal.

2. "The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election
These are felonies.

3. Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.



https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

And these are only federal statistics.

The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do


Yes, NPR: Illegal Immigration Does Increase Violent Crime



Wise up.


The only thing Democrats care about is that illegals do as Obama told them to.....vote.

"64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Federal arrests of non-citizens has increased exponentially over the past two decades, and account for the majority of all federal arrests, data released by the Justice Department revealed.

Non-citizens made up 64% of all federal arrests in 2018 despite making up 7% of the U.S. population, according to Justice Department data released Thursday and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. Between 1998 and 2018, federal arrests of non-citizens grew by 234%, while federal arrests of U.S. citizens climbed 10%.

While the numbers provide credence to President Donald Trump’s argument that illegal immigration results in increased crime, immigration experts also pointed out that migrant apprehensions make up a significant portion of current federal arrests.

“Experience has taught the immigration agencies and DOJ that this works to reduce recidivism — in other words, when illegal crossers face some more severe consequence than just being sent back home, they don’t keep doing it,” Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies told the Washington Examiner. 64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand:

1) These arrests do not differentiate between those who entered the United States via proper channels and those who committed the federal civil misdemeanor of Improper Entry

2) Most of these arrests are for misdemeanors

3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in.

Honestly, I'm trying to understand your point here. All these federal laws that purport to keep foreigners from entering the United States have no basis in fact in an original interpretation of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was illegally ratified and that gave you so many Hispanic citizens that now you're pissing in the wind UNLESS you mount a war of civil disobedience and declare the 14th Amendment null and void. Of course, that will mean no more Hispanic, Black, Muslim, or other non-whites will qualify for citizenship.

Congress cannot, constitutionally speaking, tell the states who they can and cannot allow in. That makes your misdemeanor Improper Entry statute have as much weight as the pot laws in the United States. People simply don't obey unconstitutional laws.

Perhaps you'd fare better to explain your objectives and what you think America should be.

"Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand"



1. Let's elucidate, and expose your stupidity and bias.

Extrapolate is the wrong word..."extend the application of (a method or conclusion, especially one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing trends will continue or similar methods will be applicable.
"the results cannot be extrapolated to other patient groups"

There is no 'unknown situation' here, as you were unable to deny the very headline of the article I quoted.

You appear to be on of those uneducated who throw in words they cannot define to appear more educated than you are.

You're a government school grad, huh?



2. This would be the correct term to use: spin.
Spin…altering the truth without altering the facts.

A lie which has somehow been legitimized by an uneducated public. Seenewspeak, doublespeak

Public relations term, referring to slightly altering facts to portray a desired version of a story.

Your post is an attempt to spin the truth.



3. Every individual who sneaks across our border is a criminal.
As is every Democrat who aids, abets, and supports said illegality.
Raise your paw.



4. "3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in."
Oh....so you feel the need to self-identify as a lying low-life Liberal?
Not necessary.

"Throughout the history of the United States the Supreme Court has upheld all manner of federal statutes regulating immigration. By contrast, Supreme Court decisions preclude states from passing legislation that directly impinges on this area of federal dominion. The Supreme Court’s basis for action is clear when the area regulated is naturalization. Article 1, § 8, clause 4, of the United States Constitution specifically grants Congress the power to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization." By expressly allocating this power to Congress, the Constitution prevents the confusion that would result if individual states could bestow citizenship. The Constitution does not, however, explicitly provide that the power to deny admission or remove non-citizens rests with the federal government as opposed to state governments. Hence, in the early immigration cases the Supreme Court faced the problem of identifying the source of the federal government's exclusive and plenary power over immigration. Later cases found the plenary power to be an inherent sovereign power."
Chapter 2: The source and scope of the federal power to regulate immigration and naturalization


5. BTW....why do disgusting Leftist scum like you hate America??????

Leftist scum? Hate America?

Let me see:

* I have manned the border in a civilian border patrol unit, traveling close to 2000 miles on my own dime, not being paid, and living on my own money while being there

* I have had to fight for my life in two federal cases (one involving the so - called "Patriot Act"

* It was me that financed the meetings of the Georgia Patriot Network for over 15 years. I paid for the meeting hall that was used twice monthly (not counting special occasions) and supplied the equipment like speaker systems, audio equipment, etc.

From those meetings came such efforts as a major bill that would have repealed the 16th Amendment and gotten rid of the so - called income tax

* I've been shot at and missed, shot at and hit, beaten, jailed, lied to, lied about, stalked, had employers harassed for hiring me, maligned in the press, misquoted and misrepresented in the media.

* I co founded the Militia of Georgia and was elected to 5 consecutive terms by the citizens in Georgia to be the Commanding Officer

* I ghost wrote articles for the late Lt. Col. Gordon (Jack) Mohr (U.S. Army retired) and he was the first American captured during the Korean Conflict. He was beaten, tortured and sentenced to death, only to escape and go back to active duty. He also wrote manuals for the Army on brainwashing techniques. He was a founding member of the Militia of Georgia

* I am one of the original graduates of the S.P.I.K.E. program initiated by Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz, a former Green Beret and CIA operative. The organization I belong to is probably the only one left in the United States still teaching the program.

* My hometown newspaper, which got bought out by the Atlanta Constitution and then bankrupted, once had an editorial that said I was the most quoted man in the state of Georgia. Most people were spouting my observations without knowing where they come from

* My current job is a ministry where we focus on trying to get white males that have been disenfranchised (locked out of the system) back on their feet, working a job and producing for society. Lots of people might think that's "racist," but blacks have the NAACP; there are women shelters, and churches that cater to women and children, but no organization that understands the unique challenges of white males that took a wrong turn in life.

In addition, I went to school and studied law; I went back to school a couple of years ago and last finished my studies in theology (making that TWO Bible colleges I've graduated from in my life.) I've worked as a lobbyist and worked in immigration law for SIX years so that I would have the requisite knowledge to speak out from an informed point of view.

And your claim to fame is? Let me guess. You followed a bunch of dumb asses that started this immigration fight wherein political propaganda prostitutes raided the civilian militias and constitutionalist groups to offer America Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" to the immigration debacle. Let me guess a bit further:

You're probably so uneducated that you cannot realize that I know America has a problem with foreigners, but disagree with the solutions. Most likely, you fail to understand that the left has flipped the right. Now, both sides are headed to the same destination via different routes. You're probably too blind to see that the strategies you followed led to younger people getting involved in threatening language and acts that resulted in a couple of mass shootings. That is going to cost us our gun Rights, but you'd give up anything now to have a brown free America. Am I close?

You probably don't realize that the genesis of the organizations that pioneered your talking points began with murderers, terrorists, neo-nazis, and extremists that turned the majority of Americans against the right. So, what we don't see are constitutionalists. The anti-immigrants today are only putting Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" on the table and have declared war against anyone that dares to question your fragile theories about immigration.

I can tell you this: Your leadership (i.e. the people whose talking points you spew) has never had the courage to meet me in public and debate their differences with me. Oh, they'd attend meetings; we had an open mic both before and after each meeting. None of those cowards would face me in public, but get on these discussion boards and call me names a couple of hours after the meetings. You represent a group of people who have been convicted of murder, incest, having sex with minors (including relatives), supporting Neo- Nazi organizations, and proposing "solutions" to take away every God given, natural, unalienable, absolute, inherent and irrevocable Right you ever had on the false premise they are going to make America brown free. And you want to call me scum?

You want laws enforced that were put into place by Democrats and designed specifically to dilute the white vote... and you call me scum? Really? Your sources publish what they know, for a fact, is an absolute LIE. Your claims were that 75 percent of undocumented foreigners use stolen Socialist Surveillance Numbers ...ooops "Social Security Numbers" to get a job. You are a liar and every member on Capitol Hill knows you're lying so it destroys much of your credibility and that of people / organizations like you. Many foreigners get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the freaking income tax - which is based upon an illegally ratified Amendment that was taken from a plank out of the Communist Manifesto. So you're lying and supporting a plank out of the Communist Manifesto??? What does that make you?

America is being flooded with people from the third world, but your strategies and your policies - along with your inability to discuss this civilly absolutely guarantee that your side will FAIL. So, I ask you one last time, what does that make you? My problem with people like you is that you are selling out our Rights and not getting anything in return. What kind of freaking strategy is that???

Anyone else hear banjo music while reading that stupid shit?

 

[Unkotare]

..... None of those cowards would face me in public.....

Another internet tough guy!

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Bigotry is all the right wing has.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with a naturalization clause. And, tourism if the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

You need some new material. Are you so ignorant that you think that only the left has all the answers? You should try to explain your positions. Come up with some new words. Explain what in the Hell you are peddling.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

"...who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... "


False.


1. Everyone who illegally enters is a criminal.

2. "The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election
These are felonies.

3. Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.



https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

And these are only federal statistics.

The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do


Yes, NPR: Illegal Immigration Does Increase Violent Crime



Wise up.


The only thing Democrats care about is that illegals do as Obama told them to.....vote.

"64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Federal arrests of non-citizens has increased exponentially over the past two decades, and account for the majority of all federal arrests, data released by the Justice Department revealed.

Non-citizens made up 64% of all federal arrests in 2018 despite making up 7% of the U.S. population, according to Justice Department data released Thursday and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. Between 1998 and 2018, federal arrests of non-citizens grew by 234%, while federal arrests of U.S. citizens climbed 10%.

While the numbers provide credence to President Donald Trump’s argument that illegal immigration results in increased crime, immigration experts also pointed out that migrant apprehensions make up a significant portion of current federal arrests.

“Experience has taught the immigration agencies and DOJ that this works to reduce recidivism — in other words, when illegal crossers face some more severe consequence than just being sent back home, they don’t keep doing it,” Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies told the Washington Examiner. 64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand:

1) These arrests do not differentiate between those who entered the United States via proper channels and those who committed the federal civil misdemeanor of Improper Entry

2) Most of these arrests are for misdemeanors

3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in.

Honestly, I'm trying to understand your point here. All these federal laws that purport to keep foreigners from entering the United States have no basis in fact in an original interpretation of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was illegally ratified and that gave you so many Hispanic citizens that now you're pissing in the wind UNLESS you mount a war of civil disobedience and declare the 14th Amendment null and void. Of course, that will mean no more Hispanic, Black, Muslim, or other non-whites will qualify for citizenship.

Congress cannot, constitutionally speaking, tell the states who they can and cannot allow in. That makes your misdemeanor Improper Entry statute have as much weight as the pot laws in the United States. People simply don't obey unconstitutional laws.

Perhaps you'd fare better to explain your objectives and what you think America should be.

"Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand"



1. Let's elucidate, and expose your stupidity and bias.

Extrapolate is the wrong word..."extend the application of (a method or conclusion, especially one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing trends will continue or similar methods will be applicable.
"the results cannot be extrapolated to other patient groups"

There is no 'unknown situation' here, as you were unable to deny the very headline of the article I quoted.

You appear to be on of those uneducated who throw in words they cannot define to appear more educated than you are.

You're a government school grad, huh?



2. This would be the correct term to use: spin.
Spin…altering the truth without altering the facts.

A lie which has somehow been legitimized by an uneducated public. Seenewspeak, doublespeak

Public relations term, referring to slightly altering facts to portray a desired version of a story.

Your post is an attempt to spin the truth.



3. Every individual who sneaks across our border is a criminal.
As is every Democrat who aids, abets, and supports said illegality.
Raise your paw.



4. "3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in."
Oh....so you feel the need to self-identify as a lying low-life Liberal?
Not necessary.

"Throughout the history of the United States the Supreme Court has upheld all manner of federal statutes regulating immigration. By contrast, Supreme Court decisions preclude states from passing legislation that directly impinges on this area of federal dominion. The Supreme Court’s basis for action is clear when the area regulated is naturalization. Article 1, § 8, clause 4, of the United States Constitution specifically grants Congress the power to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization." By expressly allocating this power to Congress, the Constitution prevents the confusion that would result if individual states could bestow citizenship. The Constitution does not, however, explicitly provide that the power to deny admission or remove non-citizens rests with the federal government as opposed to state governments. Hence, in the early immigration cases the Supreme Court faced the problem of identifying the source of the federal government's exclusive and plenary power over immigration. Later cases found the plenary power to be an inherent sovereign power."
Chapter 2: The source and scope of the federal power to regulate immigration and naturalization


5. BTW....why do disgusting Leftist scum like you hate America??????

Leftist scum? Hate America?

Let me see:

* I have manned the border in a civilian border patrol unit, traveling close to 2000 miles on my own dime, not being paid, and living on my own money while being there

* I have had to fight for my life in two federal cases (one involving the so - called "Patriot Act"

* It was me that financed the meetings of the Georgia Patriot Network for over 15 years. I paid for the meeting hall that was used twice monthly (not counting special occasions) and supplied the equipment like speaker systems, audio equipment, etc.

From those meetings came such efforts as a major bill that would have repealed the 16th Amendment and gotten rid of the so - called income tax

* I've been shot at and missed, shot at and hit, beaten, jailed, lied to, lied about, stalked, had employers harassed for hiring me, maligned in the press, misquoted and misrepresented in the media.

* I co founded the Militia of Georgia and was elected to 5 consecutive terms by the citizens in Georgia to be the Commanding Officer

* I ghost wrote articles for the late Lt. Col. Gordon (Jack) Mohr (U.S. Army retired) and he was the first American captured during the Korean Conflict. He was beaten, tortured and sentenced to death, only to escape and go back to active duty. He also wrote manuals for the Army on brainwashing techniques. He was a founding member of the Militia of Georgia

* I am one of the original graduates of the S.P.I.K.E. program initiated by Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz, a former Green Beret and CIA operative. The organization I belong to is probably the only one left in the United States still teaching the program.

* My hometown newspaper, which got bought out by the Atlanta Constitution and then bankrupted, once had an editorial that said I was the most quoted man in the state of Georgia. Most people were spouting my observations without knowing where they come from

* My current job is a ministry where we focus on trying to get white males that have been disenfranchised (locked out of the system) back on their feet, working a job and producing for society. Lots of people might think that's "racist," but blacks have the NAACP; there are women shelters, and churches that cater to women and children, but no organization that understands the unique challenges of white males that took a wrong turn in life.

In addition, I went to school and studied law; I went back to school a couple of years ago and last finished my studies in theology (making that TWO Bible colleges I've graduated from in my life.) I've worked as a lobbyist and worked in immigration law for SIX years so that I would have the requisite knowledge to speak out from an informed point of view.

And your claim to fame is? Let me guess. You followed a bunch of dumb asses that started this immigration fight wherein political propaganda prostitutes raided the civilian militias and constitutionalist groups to offer America Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" to the immigration debacle. Let me guess a bit further:

You're probably so uneducated that you cannot realize that I know America has a problem with foreigners, but disagree with the solutions. Most likely, you fail to understand that the left has flipped the right. Now, both sides are headed to the same destination via different routes. You're probably too blind to see that the strategies you followed led to younger people getting involved in threatening language and acts that resulted in a couple of mass shootings. That is going to cost us our gun Rights, but you'd give up anything now to have a brown free America. Am I close?

You probably don't realize that the genesis of the organizations that pioneered your talking points began with murderers, terrorists, neo-nazis, and extremists that turned the majority of Americans against the right. So, what we don't see are constitutionalists. The anti-immigrants today are only putting Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" on the table and have declared war against anyone that dares to question your fragile theories about immigration.

I can tell you this: Your leadership (i.e. the people whose talking points you spew) has never had the courage to meet me in public and debate their differences with me. Oh, they'd attend meetings; we had an open mic both before and after each meeting. None of those cowards would face me in public, but get on these discussion boards and call me names a couple of hours after the meetings. You represent a group of people who have been convicted of murder, incest, having sex with minors (including relatives), supporting Neo- Nazi organizations, and proposing "solutions" to take away every God given, natural, unalienable, absolute, inherent and irrevocable Right you ever had on the false premise they are going to make America brown free. And you want to call me scum?

You want laws enforced that were put into place by Democrats and designed specifically to dilute the white vote... and you call me scum? Really? Your sources publish what they know, for a fact, is an absolute LIE. Your claims were that 75 percent of undocumented foreigners use stolen Socialist Surveillance Numbers ...ooops "Social Security Numbers" to get a job. You are a liar and every member on Capitol Hill knows you're lying so it destroys much of your credibility and that of people / organizations like you. Many foreigners get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the freaking income tax - which is based upon an illegally ratified Amendment that was taken from a plank out of the Communist Manifesto. So you're lying and supporting a plank out of the Communist Manifesto??? What does that make you?

America is being flooded with people from the third world, but your strategies and your policies - along with your inability to discuss this civilly absolutely guarantee that your side will FAIL. So, I ask you one last time, what does that make you? My problem with people like you is that you are selling out our Rights and not getting anything in return. What kind of freaking strategy is that???

Anyone else hear banjo music while reading that stupid shit?

You talk a lot shit for a dumb **** without a brain.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

..... None of those cowards would face me in public.....

Another internet tough guy!

PM me. I'm available in person. I can be very accommodating. That's what I hate about the Internet. Don't worry. I'm not after your board title. You gay ninjas scare the Hell out of me (sarcasm intended.)

Since the post wasn't a directed to you, it might make better sense for you to move along. Keep your nose in your own business.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm a sucker for threads that start out as if to ask a question. I read the OP before the thread and proceed to try and read the thread while being flamed for asking more questions.

In your article, you ask about immigrants, not necessarily about undocumented foreigners. When we separate the two groups, it becomes apparent that those who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... Or do they? Actually neither side can definitively prove their case:

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

So, who do "we" let in? Constitutionally, that answer is best left to the states. Congress has only ONE job relative to people coming into the United States:

"Congress shall have the power ...to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution. I can't even find an immigration section in the Constitution.

If we want to go back to the Constitution as originally written and intended, this question is left up to the states. They are within their constitutional Rights to let whomever they want in. It's when those people want to become citizens that the feds have any real constitutional say.

"...who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... "


False.


1. Everyone who illegally enters is a criminal.

2. "The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election
These are felonies.

3. Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.



https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

And these are only federal statistics.

The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do


Yes, NPR: Illegal Immigration Does Increase Violent Crime



Wise up.


The only thing Democrats care about is that illegals do as Obama told them to.....vote.

"64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Federal arrests of non-citizens has increased exponentially over the past two decades, and account for the majority of all federal arrests, data released by the Justice Department revealed.

Non-citizens made up 64% of all federal arrests in 2018 despite making up 7% of the U.S. population, according to Justice Department data released Thursday and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. Between 1998 and 2018, federal arrests of non-citizens grew by 234%, while federal arrests of U.S. citizens climbed 10%.

While the numbers provide credence to President Donald Trump’s argument that illegal immigration results in increased crime, immigration experts also pointed out that migrant apprehensions make up a significant portion of current federal arrests.

“Experience has taught the immigration agencies and DOJ that this works to reduce recidivism — in other words, when illegal crossers face some more severe consequence than just being sent back home, they don’t keep doing it,” Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies told the Washington Examiner. 64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand:

1) These arrests do not differentiate between those who entered the United States via proper channels and those who committed the federal civil misdemeanor of Improper Entry

2) Most of these arrests are for misdemeanors

3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in.

Honestly, I'm trying to understand your point here. All these federal laws that purport to keep foreigners from entering the United States have no basis in fact in an original interpretation of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was illegally ratified and that gave you so many Hispanic citizens that now you're pissing in the wind UNLESS you mount a war of civil disobedience and declare the 14th Amendment null and void. Of course, that will mean no more Hispanic, Black, Muslim, or other non-whites will qualify for citizenship.

Congress cannot, constitutionally speaking, tell the states who they can and cannot allow in. That makes your misdemeanor Improper Entry statute have as much weight as the pot laws in the United States. People simply don't obey unconstitutional laws.

Perhaps you'd fare better to explain your objectives and what you think America should be.

"Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand"



1. Let's elucidate, and expose your stupidity and bias.

Extrapolate is the wrong word..."extend the application of (a method or conclusion, especially one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing trends will continue or similar methods will be applicable.
"the results cannot be extrapolated to other patient groups"

There is no 'unknown situation' here, as you were unable to deny the very headline of the article I quoted.

You appear to be on of those uneducated who throw in words they cannot define to appear more educated than you are.

You're a government school grad, huh?



2. This would be the correct term to use: spin.
Spin…altering the truth without altering the facts.

A lie which has somehow been legitimized by an uneducated public. Seenewspeak, doublespeak

Public relations term, referring to slightly altering facts to portray a desired version of a story.

Your post is an attempt to spin the truth.



3. Every individual who sneaks across our border is a criminal.
As is every Democrat who aids, abets, and supports said illegality.
Raise your paw.



4. "3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in."
Oh....so you feel the need to self-identify as a lying low-life Liberal?
Not necessary.

"Throughout the history of the United States the Supreme Court has upheld all manner of federal statutes regulating immigration. By contrast, Supreme Court decisions preclude states from passing legislation that directly impinges on this area of federal dominion. The Supreme Court’s basis for action is clear when the area regulated is naturalization. Article 1, § 8, clause 4, of the United States Constitution specifically grants Congress the power to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization." By expressly allocating this power to Congress, the Constitution prevents the confusion that would result if individual states could bestow citizenship. The Constitution does not, however, explicitly provide that the power to deny admission or remove non-citizens rests with the federal government as opposed to state governments. Hence, in the early immigration cases the Supreme Court faced the problem of identifying the source of the federal government's exclusive and plenary power over immigration. Later cases found the plenary power to be an inherent sovereign power."
Chapter 2: The source and scope of the federal power to regulate immigration and naturalization


5. BTW....why do disgusting Leftist scum like you hate America??????

Leftist scum? Hate America?

Let me see:

* I have manned the border in a civilian border patrol unit, traveling close to 2000 miles on my own dime, not being paid, and living on my own money while being there

* I have had to fight for my life in two federal cases (one involving the so - called "Patriot Act"

* It was me that financed the meetings of the Georgia Patriot Network for over 15 years. I paid for the meeting hall that was used twice monthly (not counting special occasions) and supplied the equipment like speaker systems, audio equipment, etc.

From those meetings came such efforts as a major bill that would have repealed the 16th Amendment and gotten rid of the so - called income tax

* I've been shot at and missed, shot at and hit, beaten, jailed, lied to, lied about, stalked, had employers harassed for hiring me, maligned in the press, misquoted and misrepresented in the media.

* I co founded the Militia of Georgia and was elected to 5 consecutive terms by the citizens in Georgia to be the Commanding Officer

* I ghost wrote articles for the late Lt. Col. Gordon (Jack) Mohr (U.S. Army retired) and he was the first American captured during the Korean Conflict. He was beaten, tortured and sentenced to death, only to escape and go back to active duty. He also wrote manuals for the Army on brainwashing techniques. He was a founding member of the Militia of Georgia

* I am one of the original graduates of the S.P.I.K.E. program initiated by Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz, a former Green Beret and CIA operative. The organization I belong to is probably the only one left in the United States still teaching the program.

* My hometown newspaper, which got bought out by the Atlanta Constitution and then bankrupted, once had an editorial that said I was the most quoted man in the state of Georgia. Most people were spouting my observations without knowing where they come from

* My current job is a ministry where we focus on trying to get white males that have been disenfranchised (locked out of the system) back on their feet, working a job and producing for society. Lots of people might think that's "racist," but blacks have the NAACP; there are women shelters, and churches that cater to women and children, but no organization that understands the unique challenges of white males that took a wrong turn in life.

In addition, I went to school and studied law; I went back to school a couple of years ago and last finished my studies in theology (making that TWO Bible colleges I've graduated from in my life.) I've worked as a lobbyist and worked in immigration law for SIX years so that I would have the requisite knowledge to speak out from an informed point of view.

And your claim to fame is? Let me guess. You followed a bunch of dumb asses that started this immigration fight wherein political propaganda prostitutes raided the civilian militias and constitutionalist groups to offer America Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" to the immigration debacle. Let me guess a bit further:

You're probably so uneducated that you cannot realize that I know America has a problem with foreigners, but disagree with the solutions. Most likely, you fail to understand that the left has flipped the right. Now, both sides are headed to the same destination via different routes. You're probably too blind to see that the strategies you followed led to younger people getting involved in threatening language and acts that resulted in a couple of mass shootings. That is going to cost us our gun Rights, but you'd give up anything now to have a brown free America. Am I close?

You probably don't realize that the genesis of the organizations that pioneered your talking points began with murderers, terrorists, neo-nazis, and extremists that turned the majority of Americans against the right. So, what we don't see are constitutionalists. The anti-immigrants today are only putting Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" on the table and have declared war against anyone that dares to question your fragile theories about immigration.

I can tell you this: Your leadership (i.e. the people whose talking points you spew) has never had the courage to meet me in public and debate their differences with me. Oh, they'd attend meetings; we had an open mic both before and after each meeting. None of those cowards would face me in public, but get on these discussion boards and call me names a couple of hours after the meetings. You represent a group of people who have been convicted of murder, incest, having sex with minors (including relatives), supporting Neo- Nazi organizations, and proposing "solutions" to take away every God given, natural, unalienable, absolute, inherent and irrevocable Right you ever had on the false premise they are going to make America brown free. And you want to call me scum?

You want laws enforced that were put into place by Democrats and designed specifically to dilute the white vote... and you call me scum? Really? Your sources publish what they know, for a fact, is an absolute LIE. Your claims were that 75 percent of undocumented foreigners use stolen Socialist Surveillance Numbers ...ooops "Social Security Numbers" to get a job. You are a liar and every member on Capitol Hill knows you're lying so it destroys much of your credibility and that of people / organizations like you. Many foreigners get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the freaking income tax - which is based upon an illegally ratified Amendment that was taken from a plank out of the Communist Manifesto. So you're lying and supporting a plank out of the Communist Manifesto??? What does that make you?

America is being flooded with people from the third world, but your strategies and your policies - along with your inability to discuss this civilly absolutely guarantee that your side will FAIL. So, I ask you one last time, what does that make you? My problem with people like you is that you are selling out our Rights and not getting anything in return. What kind of freaking strategy is that???

I just met you in debate and ripped you a new one.

 

[danielpalos]

Bigotry is all the right wing has.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with a naturalization clause. And, tourism if the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

You need some new material. Are you so ignorant that you think that only the left has all the answers? You should try to explain your positions. Come up with some new words. Explain what in the Hell you are peddling.

why bother alleging to be credible, when incredible is the best the right wing can do?

Our welfare clause is General not limited in any way. We have a Commerce Clause. We should not be losing money on border policy if we are alleging to subscribe to Capitalism.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

"...who wander in here from south of the border, on average, commit less crime per capita than do the native population... "


False.


1. Everyone who illegally enters is a criminal.

2. "The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election
These are felonies.

3. Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.



https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

And these are only federal statistics.

The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do


Yes, NPR: Illegal Immigration Does Increase Violent Crime



Wise up.


The only thing Democrats care about is that illegals do as Obama told them to.....vote.

"64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Federal arrests of non-citizens has increased exponentially over the past two decades, and account for the majority of all federal arrests, data released by the Justice Department revealed.

Non-citizens made up 64% of all federal arrests in 2018 despite making up 7% of the U.S. population, according to Justice Department data released Thursday and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. Between 1998 and 2018, federal arrests of non-citizens grew by 234%, while federal arrests of U.S. citizens climbed 10%.

While the numbers provide credence to President Donald Trump’s argument that illegal immigration results in increased crime, immigration experts also pointed out that migrant apprehensions make up a significant portion of current federal arrests.

“Experience has taught the immigration agencies and DOJ that this works to reduce recidivism — in other words, when illegal crossers face some more severe consequence than just being sent back home, they don’t keep doing it,” Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies told the Washington Examiner. 64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand:

1) These arrests do not differentiate between those who entered the United States via proper channels and those who committed the federal civil misdemeanor of Improper Entry

2) Most of these arrests are for misdemeanors

3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in.

Honestly, I'm trying to understand your point here. All these federal laws that purport to keep foreigners from entering the United States have no basis in fact in an original interpretation of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was illegally ratified and that gave you so many Hispanic citizens that now you're pissing in the wind UNLESS you mount a war of civil disobedience and declare the 14th Amendment null and void. Of course, that will mean no more Hispanic, Black, Muslim, or other non-whites will qualify for citizenship.

Congress cannot, constitutionally speaking, tell the states who they can and cannot allow in. That makes your misdemeanor Improper Entry statute have as much weight as the pot laws in the United States. People simply don't obey unconstitutional laws.

Perhaps you'd fare better to explain your objectives and what you think America should be.

"Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand"



1. Let's elucidate, and expose your stupidity and bias.

Extrapolate is the wrong word..."extend the application of (a method or conclusion, especially one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing trends will continue or similar methods will be applicable.
"the results cannot be extrapolated to other patient groups"

There is no 'unknown situation' here, as you were unable to deny the very headline of the article I quoted.

You appear to be on of those uneducated who throw in words they cannot define to appear more educated than you are.

You're a government school grad, huh?



2. This would be the correct term to use: spin.
Spin…altering the truth without altering the facts.

A lie which has somehow been legitimized by an uneducated public. Seenewspeak, doublespeak

Public relations term, referring to slightly altering facts to portray a desired version of a story.

Your post is an attempt to spin the truth.



3. Every individual who sneaks across our border is a criminal.
As is every Democrat who aids, abets, and supports said illegality.
Raise your paw.



4. "3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in."
Oh....so you feel the need to self-identify as a lying low-life Liberal?
Not necessary.

"Throughout the history of the United States the Supreme Court has upheld all manner of federal statutes regulating immigration. By contrast, Supreme Court decisions preclude states from passing legislation that directly impinges on this area of federal dominion. The Supreme Court’s basis for action is clear when the area regulated is naturalization. Article 1, § 8, clause 4, of the United States Constitution specifically grants Congress the power to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization." By expressly allocating this power to Congress, the Constitution prevents the confusion that would result if individual states could bestow citizenship. The Constitution does not, however, explicitly provide that the power to deny admission or remove non-citizens rests with the federal government as opposed to state governments. Hence, in the early immigration cases the Supreme Court faced the problem of identifying the source of the federal government's exclusive and plenary power over immigration. Later cases found the plenary power to be an inherent sovereign power."
Chapter 2: The source and scope of the federal power to regulate immigration and naturalization


5. BTW....why do disgusting Leftist scum like you hate America??????

Leftist scum? Hate America?

Let me see:

* I have manned the border in a civilian border patrol unit, traveling close to 2000 miles on my own dime, not being paid, and living on my own money while being there

* I have had to fight for my life in two federal cases (one involving the so - called "Patriot Act"

* It was me that financed the meetings of the Georgia Patriot Network for over 15 years. I paid for the meeting hall that was used twice monthly (not counting special occasions) and supplied the equipment like speaker systems, audio equipment, etc.

From those meetings came such efforts as a major bill that would have repealed the 16th Amendment and gotten rid of the so - called income tax

* I've been shot at and missed, shot at and hit, beaten, jailed, lied to, lied about, stalked, had employers harassed for hiring me, maligned in the press, misquoted and misrepresented in the media.

* I co founded the Militia of Georgia and was elected to 5 consecutive terms by the citizens in Georgia to be the Commanding Officer

* I ghost wrote articles for the late Lt. Col. Gordon (Jack) Mohr (U.S. Army retired) and he was the first American captured during the Korean Conflict. He was beaten, tortured and sentenced to death, only to escape and go back to active duty. He also wrote manuals for the Army on brainwashing techniques. He was a founding member of the Militia of Georgia

* I am one of the original graduates of the S.P.I.K.E. program initiated by Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz, a former Green Beret and CIA operative. The organization I belong to is probably the only one left in the United States still teaching the program.

* My hometown newspaper, which got bought out by the Atlanta Constitution and then bankrupted, once had an editorial that said I was the most quoted man in the state of Georgia. Most people were spouting my observations without knowing where they come from

* My current job is a ministry where we focus on trying to get white males that have been disenfranchised (locked out of the system) back on their feet, working a job and producing for society. Lots of people might think that's "racist," but blacks have the NAACP; there are women shelters, and churches that cater to women and children, but no organization that understands the unique challenges of white males that took a wrong turn in life.

In addition, I went to school and studied law; I went back to school a couple of years ago and last finished my studies in theology (making that TWO Bible colleges I've graduated from in my life.) I've worked as a lobbyist and worked in immigration law for SIX years so that I would have the requisite knowledge to speak out from an informed point of view.

And your claim to fame is? Let me guess. You followed a bunch of dumb asses that started this immigration fight wherein political propaganda prostitutes raided the civilian militias and constitutionalist groups to offer America Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" to the immigration debacle. Let me guess a bit further:

You're probably so uneducated that you cannot realize that I know America has a problem with foreigners, but disagree with the solutions. Most likely, you fail to understand that the left has flipped the right. Now, both sides are headed to the same destination via different routes. You're probably too blind to see that the strategies you followed led to younger people getting involved in threatening language and acts that resulted in a couple of mass shootings. That is going to cost us our gun Rights, but you'd give up anything now to have a brown free America. Am I close?

You probably don't realize that the genesis of the organizations that pioneered your talking points began with murderers, terrorists, neo-nazis, and extremists that turned the majority of Americans against the right. So, what we don't see are constitutionalists. The anti-immigrants today are only putting Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" on the table and have declared war against anyone that dares to question your fragile theories about immigration.

I can tell you this: Your leadership (i.e. the people whose talking points you spew) has never had the courage to meet me in public and debate their differences with me. Oh, they'd attend meetings; we had an open mic both before and after each meeting. None of those cowards would face me in public, but get on these discussion boards and call me names a couple of hours after the meetings. You represent a group of people who have been convicted of murder, incest, having sex with minors (including relatives), supporting Neo- Nazi organizations, and proposing "solutions" to take away every God given, natural, unalienable, absolute, inherent and irrevocable Right you ever had on the false premise they are going to make America brown free. And you want to call me scum?

You want laws enforced that were put into place by Democrats and designed specifically to dilute the white vote... and you call me scum? Really? Your sources publish what they know, for a fact, is an absolute LIE. Your claims were that 75 percent of undocumented foreigners use stolen Socialist Surveillance Numbers ...ooops "Social Security Numbers" to get a job. You are a liar and every member on Capitol Hill knows you're lying so it destroys much of your credibility and that of people / organizations like you. Many foreigners get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the freaking income tax - which is based upon an illegally ratified Amendment that was taken from a plank out of the Communist Manifesto. So you're lying and supporting a plank out of the Communist Manifesto??? What does that make you?

America is being flooded with people from the third world, but your strategies and your policies - along with your inability to discuss this civilly absolutely guarantee that your side will FAIL. So, I ask you one last time, what does that make you? My problem with people like you is that you are selling out our Rights and not getting anything in return. What kind of freaking strategy is that???

I just met you in debate and ripped you a new one.

LMFAO. If you believe that, delusional would be an insult to the meaning of that word. You just got your fat ass handed to you and you don't stand a chance in Hell of recovering. I'm sure the wannabe mutant ninja warrior though might try to back you up.

You're losing the fight. You never met me in any debate, but if you think you can rip me a new one, PM me and I'll refer you to a site that has a real debate forum. I'll cover any amount of money you can wager that you will come out second in a real debate with me. I tried being nice. That didn't work, so I'll put it this way:

This is not a debate forum. How STUPID can you be! Skanks like you making baseless allegations fail to impress me. You wouldn't even have any relevancy if intelligent people learned as I do not to argue with idiots like you. You would only drag them down to your level and beat them with experience. OTOH, I guess you could consider a hand job, "beating" someone.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Bigotry is all the right wing has.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with a naturalization clause. And, tourism if the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

You need some new material. Are you so ignorant that you think that only the left has all the answers? You should try to explain your positions. Come up with some new words. Explain what in the Hell you are peddling.

why bother alleging to be credible, when incredible is the best the right wing can do?

Our welfare clause is General not limited in any way. We have a Commerce Clause. We should not be losing money on border policy if we are alleging to subscribe to Capitalism.

There is no such thing as credibility in the right wing, danielpalos.

In the left wing, credibility only means your commitment to socialism, communism and other failed philosophies.

BTW, please refer me to the Capitalism Clause in the Constitution. I forgot where that one is.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Federal arrests of non-citizens has increased exponentially over the past two decades, and account for the majority of all federal arrests, data released by the Justice Department revealed.

Non-citizens made up 64% of all federal arrests in 2018 despite making up 7% of the U.S. population, according to Justice Department data released Thursday and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. Between 1998 and 2018, federal arrests of non-citizens grew by 234%, while federal arrests of U.S. citizens climbed 10%.

While the numbers provide credence to President Donald Trump’s argument that illegal immigration results in increased crime, immigration experts also pointed out that migrant apprehensions make up a significant portion of current federal arrests.

“Experience has taught the immigration agencies and DOJ that this works to reduce recidivism — in other words, when illegal crossers face some more severe consequence than just being sent back home, they don’t keep doing it,” Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies told the Washington Examiner. 64% Of Federal Arrests Were Of Non-Citizens In 2018, DOJ Finds

Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand:

1) These arrests do not differentiate between those who entered the United States via proper channels and those who committed the federal civil misdemeanor of Improper Entry

2) Most of these arrests are for misdemeanors

3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in.

Honestly, I'm trying to understand your point here. All these federal laws that purport to keep foreigners from entering the United States have no basis in fact in an original interpretation of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was illegally ratified and that gave you so many Hispanic citizens that now you're pissing in the wind UNLESS you mount a war of civil disobedience and declare the 14th Amendment null and void. Of course, that will mean no more Hispanic, Black, Muslim, or other non-whites will qualify for citizenship.

Congress cannot, constitutionally speaking, tell the states who they can and cannot allow in. That makes your misdemeanor Improper Entry statute have as much weight as the pot laws in the United States. People simply don't obey unconstitutional laws.

Perhaps you'd fare better to explain your objectives and what you think America should be.

"Let us extrapolate that which you seem to not understand"



1. Let's elucidate, and expose your stupidity and bias.

Extrapolate is the wrong word..."extend the application of (a method or conclusion, especially one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing trends will continue or similar methods will be applicable.
"the results cannot be extrapolated to other patient groups"

There is no 'unknown situation' here, as you were unable to deny the very headline of the article I quoted.

You appear to be on of those uneducated who throw in words they cannot define to appear more educated than you are.

You're a government school grad, huh?



2. This would be the correct term to use: spin.
Spin…altering the truth without altering the facts.

A lie which has somehow been legitimized by an uneducated public. Seenewspeak, doublespeak

Public relations term, referring to slightly altering facts to portray a desired version of a story.

Your post is an attempt to spin the truth.



3. Every individual who sneaks across our border is a criminal.
As is every Democrat who aids, abets, and supports said illegality.
Raise your paw.



4. "3) Congress still has NO constitutional authority to tell the states who they can and cannot allow in."
Oh....so you feel the need to self-identify as a lying low-life Liberal?
Not necessary.

"Throughout the history of the United States the Supreme Court has upheld all manner of federal statutes regulating immigration. By contrast, Supreme Court decisions preclude states from passing legislation that directly impinges on this area of federal dominion. The Supreme Court’s basis for action is clear when the area regulated is naturalization. Article 1, § 8, clause 4, of the United States Constitution specifically grants Congress the power to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization." By expressly allocating this power to Congress, the Constitution prevents the confusion that would result if individual states could bestow citizenship. The Constitution does not, however, explicitly provide that the power to deny admission or remove non-citizens rests with the federal government as opposed to state governments. Hence, in the early immigration cases the Supreme Court faced the problem of identifying the source of the federal government's exclusive and plenary power over immigration. Later cases found the plenary power to be an inherent sovereign power."
Chapter 2: The source and scope of the federal power to regulate immigration and naturalization


5. BTW....why do disgusting Leftist scum like you hate America??????

Leftist scum? Hate America?

Let me see:

* I have manned the border in a civilian border patrol unit, traveling close to 2000 miles on my own dime, not being paid, and living on my own money while being there

* I have had to fight for my life in two federal cases (one involving the so - called "Patriot Act"

* It was me that financed the meetings of the Georgia Patriot Network for over 15 years. I paid for the meeting hall that was used twice monthly (not counting special occasions) and supplied the equipment like speaker systems, audio equipment, etc.

From those meetings came such efforts as a major bill that would have repealed the 16th Amendment and gotten rid of the so - called income tax

* I've been shot at and missed, shot at and hit, beaten, jailed, lied to, lied about, stalked, had employers harassed for hiring me, maligned in the press, misquoted and misrepresented in the media.

* I co founded the Militia of Georgia and was elected to 5 consecutive terms by the citizens in Georgia to be the Commanding Officer

* I ghost wrote articles for the late Lt. Col. Gordon (Jack) Mohr (U.S. Army retired) and he was the first American captured during the Korean Conflict. He was beaten, tortured and sentenced to death, only to escape and go back to active duty. He also wrote manuals for the Army on brainwashing techniques. He was a founding member of the Militia of Georgia

* I am one of the original graduates of the S.P.I.K.E. program initiated by Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz, a former Green Beret and CIA operative. The organization I belong to is probably the only one left in the United States still teaching the program.

* My hometown newspaper, which got bought out by the Atlanta Constitution and then bankrupted, once had an editorial that said I was the most quoted man in the state of Georgia. Most people were spouting my observations without knowing where they come from

* My current job is a ministry where we focus on trying to get white males that have been disenfranchised (locked out of the system) back on their feet, working a job and producing for society. Lots of people might think that's "racist," but blacks have the NAACP; there are women shelters, and churches that cater to women and children, but no organization that understands the unique challenges of white males that took a wrong turn in life.

In addition, I went to school and studied law; I went back to school a couple of years ago and last finished my studies in theology (making that TWO Bible colleges I've graduated from in my life.) I've worked as a lobbyist and worked in immigration law for SIX years so that I would have the requisite knowledge to speak out from an informed point of view.

And your claim to fame is? Let me guess. You followed a bunch of dumb asses that started this immigration fight wherein political propaganda prostitutes raided the civilian militias and constitutionalist groups to offer America Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" to the immigration debacle. Let me guess a bit further:

You're probably so uneducated that you cannot realize that I know America has a problem with foreigners, but disagree with the solutions. Most likely, you fail to understand that the left has flipped the right. Now, both sides are headed to the same destination via different routes. You're probably too blind to see that the strategies you followed led to younger people getting involved in threatening language and acts that resulted in a couple of mass shootings. That is going to cost us our gun Rights, but you'd give up anything now to have a brown free America. Am I close?

You probably don't realize that the genesis of the organizations that pioneered your talking points began with murderers, terrorists, neo-nazis, and extremists that turned the majority of Americans against the right. So, what we don't see are constitutionalists. The anti-immigrants today are only putting Socialist, National Socialist, and Communist "solutions" on the table and have declared war against anyone that dares to question your fragile theories about immigration.

I can tell you this: Your leadership (i.e. the people whose talking points you spew) has never had the courage to meet me in public and debate their differences with me. Oh, they'd attend meetings; we had an open mic both before and after each meeting. None of those cowards would face me in public, but get on these discussion boards and call me names a couple of hours after the meetings. You represent a group of people who have been convicted of murder, incest, having sex with minors (including relatives), supporting Neo- Nazi organizations, and proposing "solutions" to take away every God given, natural, unalienable, absolute, inherent and irrevocable Right you ever had on the false premise they are going to make America brown free. And you want to call me scum?

You want laws enforced that were put into place by Democrats and designed specifically to dilute the white vote... and you call me scum? Really? Your sources publish what they know, for a fact, is an absolute LIE. Your claims were that 75 percent of undocumented foreigners use stolen Socialist Surveillance Numbers ...ooops "Social Security Numbers" to get a job. You are a liar and every member on Capitol Hill knows you're lying so it destroys much of your credibility and that of people / organizations like you. Many foreigners get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the freaking income tax - which is based upon an illegally ratified Amendment that was taken from a plank out of the Communist Manifesto. So you're lying and supporting a plank out of the Communist Manifesto??? What does that make you?

America is being flooded with people from the third world, but your strategies and your policies - along with your inability to discuss this civilly absolutely guarantee that your side will FAIL. So, I ask you one last time, what does that make you? My problem with people like you is that you are selling out our Rights and not getting anything in return. What kind of freaking strategy is that???

I just met you in debate and ripped you a new one.

LMFAO. If you believe that, delusional would be an insult to the meaning of that word. You just got your fat ass handed to you and you don't stand a chance in Hell of recovering. I'm sure the wannabe mutant ninja warrior though might try to back you up.

You're losing the fight. You never met me in any debate, but if you think you can rip me a new one, PM me and I'll refer you to a site that has a real debate forum. I'll cover any amount of money you can wager that you will come out second in a real debate with me. I tried being nice. That didn't work, so I'll put it this way:

This is not a debate forum. How STUPID can you be! Skanks like you making baseless allegations fail to impress me. You wouldn't even have any relevancy if intelligent people learned as I do not to argue with idiots like you. You would only drag them down to your level and beat them with experience. OTOH, I guess you could consider a hand job, "beating" someone.

" If you believe that, blah blah blah...."


Anyone who read my response to your drivel...mistakes in vocabulary, and in the constitutional rights of government, knows it.


Face it, effortlessly, and deftly...I more than 'defeated' you: I revealed what a fool you are.


If you still have the fez and the tin cup, maybe you can get your old job with the organ grinder....