Im ready to curb gun murders. Lets work together

[Rustic]

Because the answer is to effectively ban handguns and military style semi-automatics.

Your a ******* moron, you have no clue what you're talking about.
2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

 

[OldLady]

How do we ban illegal guns?

I imagine illegal guns are already banned. Legislate an effective ban of handguns and military style semi-automatics, then buy them back, then confiscate them whenever they're seen.

So seeing as gang members are the number two cause of high gun death, you want to ban guns form law abiding citizens. So, in essence, you aren't doing a goddamn thing about the actual problem?
Loon.

The only way to curb illegal guns is to curb the number of guns in circulation, period. Legal guns get rerouted to criminals. Less legal guns, less guns get rerouted.

So you don't think we are getting illegal guns from overseas?
Is there a solution to curb gun circulation without infringing on rights of law abiding people?

I don't think so, TN. However, in a complex society, "rights" come with responsibilities. When our country has the highest gun homicide rate of all civilized nations, perhaps it is time for everyone to take some responsibility for the innocents that are shot every day.

 

[Thinker101]

you really value a cops life that low?

What are you talking about?

Ah. You're happy to have a firearms homicide rate 20 times that of other developed nations as the price of easy access to firearms. Fair enough. Rather you than me.

You getting your news from Facebook?

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

 

[strollingbones]

much of the answer is simple....americans are not like other countries....we are violent....the south esp....settled by scot/irish who didnt have much when they left the old country and came here and settled the first land they found that reminded them of home....rocky no fertile soil..smh but i digress....when one combines that with a stubborn streak and a violent tendency to protect what is theirs...why do you think southeners are so polite? its to avoid sudden conflict

 

[Rustic]

How do we ban illegal guns?

I imagine illegal guns are already banned. Legislate an effective ban of handguns and military style semi-automatics, then buy them back, then confiscate them whenever they're seen.

Shit for brains, why not just kill people you disagree with?

 

[Auld Phart]

you really value a cops life that low?

What are you talking about?

Ah. You're happy to have a firearms homicide rate 20 times that of other developed nations as the price of easy access to firearms. Fair enough. Rather you than me.

You brought up banning handguns and military style rifles, and the confiscating them when they appeared.

there's going to be a lot of bloodshed if that happens.

Pretty much like a century ago, when they banned booze

 

[TNHarley]

How do we ban illegal guns?

I imagine illegal guns are already banned. Legislate an effective ban of handguns and military style semi-automatics, then buy them back, then confiscate them whenever they're seen.

So seeing as gang members are the number two cause of high gun death, you want to ban guns form law abiding citizens. So, in essence, you aren't doing a goddamn thing about the actual problem?
Loon.

The only way to curb illegal guns is to curb the number of guns in circulation, period. Legal guns get rerouted to criminals. Less legal guns, less guns get rerouted.

So you don't think we are getting illegal guns from overseas?
Is there a solution to curb gun circulation without infringing on rights of law abiding people?

I don't think so, TN. However, in a complex society, "rights" come with responsibilities. When our country has the highest gun homicide rate of all civilized nations, perhaps it is time for everyone to take some responsibility for the innocents that are shot every day.

What does that have to do with us? You think we are alike enough to HONESTLY compare it?
We have over 330M here, we have a native urban culture, so many differences to list.
It isn't that black and white.
Its like people refer to socialist countries as having all this free shit and they do fine. Then you look at suicide rates and violent crime.. Its not black and white, its a Crayola 64 crayon pack.

 

[Rustic]

enforcing it is the problem

With handguns and military style semi-automatics effectively banned, practically they can be confiscated any time they're seen. Which of course means major restrictions are placed on their sales.

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

 

[TNHarley]

much of the answer is simple....americans are not like other countries....we are violent....the south esp....settled by scot/irish who didnt have much when they left the old country and came here and settled the first land they found that reminded them of home....rocky no fertile soil..smh but i digress....when one combines that with a stubborn streak and a violent tendency to protect what is theirs...why do you think southeners are so polite? its to avoid sudden conflict

I love you

 

[cnm]

Because the answer is to effectively ban handguns and military style semi-automatics.

Your a ******* moron, you have no clue what you're talking about.
2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

You cite medical deaths in a discussion of how to reduce gun murders and I'm the moron? Well, perhaps that is the case to dumb **** rightards, we've all seen their deductive powers.

 

[Rustic]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

You are "ready to work on a solution" but don't want to hear anything about ANY gun regulation, no matter how common sense?

How about - GET LOST.

Lol, im trying to find solutions to our problem without infringing on other peoples rights. Do you have a solution to suicide or gang violence by gun that wont interfere with my life, as I am a law abiding citizen?

People do not have a right to free-for-all firearm acquisition.

Umm can you reply to what I said? Lol

I did. DUH?

You said "without infringing on other people rights"

And I said that no rights are being infringed on with gun regulations.

What you think works obviously does not… Jack weed

 

[Rustic]

Because the answer is to effectively ban handguns and military style semi-automatics.

Your a ******* moron, you have no clue what you're talking about.
2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

You cite medical deaths in a discussion of how to reduce gun murders and I'm the moron? Well, perhaps that is the case to dumb **** rightards, we've all seen their deductive powers.

More frivolous gun laws will not save a single person, and firearm registration is absolutely insane. Fact

 

[Trump.Stamped]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

#1) Keep kids in school. The more education you have, the less likely you are to get into legal trouble and/or die of gun violence. I recently had a conversation with a public defender. I asked him how many of the people he defends are college graduates. He said none. I asked him how many are High School graduates. He said a few.
#2) - see #1
#3) - curb legal immigration over time and focus on filling those jobs with people who are now out of work, and we need the minority communities to step up and expect more of their youth. We should have the goal if filling engineering and similar professional jobs with children who are now living in poverty and who are on track to be criminals.

 

[Rustic]

YOur unhappiness with reality is noted. And dismissed. Because your unhappiness does not trump reality.

You really are one of the dumbest of dumb **** rightards. If there was such a correlation between illegitimacy and firearms homicide rates then Iceland would have one of the highest firearms homicide rates in the world.

People kill people not firearms… Shit for brains

 

[Rustic]

my friends with desert eagles see no reason they as legal gun owners should not be able to buy them

Which is why gun murder rates in the US will continue to outstrip those of other developed countries.

We have much bigger fish to fry in this country then your little control issues...

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

 

[Rustic]

Umm can you reply to what I said? Lol

I did. DUH?

You said "without infringing on other people rights"

And I said that no rights are being infringed on with gun regulations.

You are a liar. Or really dumb.

But you just can't say why?

Read my whole post!

I did and carefully stripped out every part that has nothing to do with disputing that there is no absolute right to gun ownership and handling.

Government has a right to regulate guns and they SHOULD regulate them and there is no reason to think that can't be part of the solution.

The federal government is not a solution to anything you dumbass ************… LOL

 

[ricechickie]

Nothing but tired ass clichés.
You statist assholes don't want to fix shit. That is ******* OBVIOUS.
You clicked on this thread and left logic in the hallway
"banning guns and regulations will stop suicide and illegal guns DDDDEEEEEERRRRR"

LMFAO.

When my kid was 14, he argued that way. "But you didn't convince me why I shouldn't play video games 14 hours a day! You just keep repeating the same old arguments!"

I'm pleased to say he's grown out of that.

then how will gun regulations curb suicide by gun and gang violence?

Gang guns don't just magically appear. Some are stolen, and some are bought through private transactions. Background checks for private transactions would cut down on those.

I honestly don't care about suicide. It's not murder.

By the way, you're framing the argument completely away from mass murderers, in which a sick or evil person inflicts death on several innocents in an short amount of time. I don't think there's as many innocent victims in gang violence. Generally it's bad people shooting at other bad people. Not that I want it to continue, but I think there are other victims more worth protecting.

 

[cnm]

Here we go, comparing two developed nations. With handguns and military style semi-automatics effectively banned, (stronger controls and regulations) and a firearm licence requiring a gun safety course, firearm ownership in NZ is about 20% of that of the US and firearm homicide rate is about 5% of that of the US. Yes, yes, the US is unique, no other counties' experience is applicable, it's all the blacks' fault. Heard it all before.

Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year

Country..Total.Homicides..Suicides..Unintent..Undetermine..Guns 100 hab

US.........10.54....3.43...........6.69.........0.18.........0.08...............112.6

NZ..........1.07......0.18...........0.84.........0.05.........0.00.................22.6

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

 

[Rustic]

So seeing as gang members are the number two cause of high gun death, you want to ban guns form law abiding citizens. So, in essence, you aren't doing a goddamn thing about the actual problem?

If one looks at the experience of other nations with low gun murder rates the answer is clear, and as I have stated. That's why you ignore those examples, you don't like the answer.

We are not other nations, and we have much bigger fish to fry... frivolous gun laws are absolutely unnecessary and firearm registration is absolutely unacceptable....

 

[OldLady]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

As I've been yammering since literally the day I got here right between Jovan Belcher/Bob Costas and Sandy Hook --- it takes cultural change.

Throw laws at the problem and people who want to will go around those laws. Doesn't work. That's treating the symptom and ignoring the disease.

We hear of a Sandy Hook and we claim to be horrified. If that were true, if we truly were horrified, we wouldn't be living in a place where it would even occur to the Lanzas and the Klebolds and the Loughners and the Holmses to go out in public and emulate what they see on TV every night, what they see in every movie house, what they played with as kids. Because those would be horrifying too. We should be unable to watch a scene like that and then simply go to sleep as if nothing happened. We are a culture that worships guns and death and destruction and carnage, and that, the first step is to understand and acknowledge, is the disease.

You can never stop gun murder altogether. You can never stop cigarette smoking altogether either. But we drove the latter WAY down, not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. That's the direct approach.

I agree with that, except that until guns are not in every kitchen drawer and pocket, that approach is not going to work either. Along with making cigarettes uncool, we made them much more expensive, raised the legal age to buy them, and severely restricted where people can smoke in public. There was also a MASSIVE, concerted campaign to make it uncool at the same time. It still took decades. When the courts decided that the media needs to be free to spread such violent garbage to all and sundry, including children, under the guise of "freedom of speech," we lost all hope of making violence uncool. Censorship is too frightening a word in this country. We are basically anarchists at heart and I think we are going to have to try to approach the concept of social responsibility before we can even approach the influences of violence on our culture.