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[Annie]

No television coverage and precious little print.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051116/ap_on_re_eu/france_rioting

French Arson Attacks Continue to Fall

By NATHALIE SCHUCK, Associated Press WriterWed Nov 16, 4:40 PM ET

Parliament gave final approval Wednesday to extending France's state of emergency for three months after the government said the powers are still needed to end the country's worst civil unrest in four decades.

The Senate voted 202-125 to extend emergency powers until February. The extra powers — which were approved by the lower house on Tuesday — allow regional and local officials to impose curfews and permit police searches at night, among other measures.

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy told the Senate that tensions in troubled neighborhoods justified continued state of emergency powers. The number of towns affected by unrest dropped to 79 overnight, down from 102 the previous night and more than 300 at the peak of the unrest, he said.

"Seventy-nine is naturally too many," Sarkozy added. "The future cannot be built on violence."

The leftist opposition says the emergency powers, first put in place Nov. 9 for a 12-day period, are no longer needed.

Criticism has also mounted among others concerned that France is compromising its values and risked further enflaming passions. Dozens of groups held protests in Paris on Wednesday.

At a rally that drew several hundred people, demonstrators demanded what they called a "social state of emergency" that gives a voice to immigrants and their French offspring.

But Sarkozy said the emergency powers would be used responsibly and only where necessary. He told the Senate that 75-80 percent of the nearly 3,000 people arrested were already known to police.

National police said vandals set fire to 163 vehicles overnight, down from 215 the previous night — a continuing drop that indicated an "almost normal situation everywhere" in France. Most violence was in the provinces, with 27 vehicles torched in the Paris region, compared with 60 a night earlier.

A total of 8,973 vehicles have been set afire since the violence began Oct. 27. At the height of unrest, youths burned 1,408 vehicles across France in one night, on Nov. 6, and shots were fired at police.

Some 10,600 police remain deployed to counter the violence, which included an arson attack early Wednesday on the Saint-Jean-d'Ars Roman Catholic church in Romans-sur-Isere, southeast France. Several mosques have also been attacked by vandals during the unrest.

The crisis has led to collective soul-searching about France's failure to integrate its African and Muslim minorities. Anger about high unemployment and discrimination has fanned frustration among the French-born children of immigrants.

The unrest was set off by the accidental electrocution of two teenagers as they hid from police in a power substation in Clichy-sous-Bois, northeast of Paris.

 

[Hobbit]

So the French are winning because fewer cars were set fire by rioters? Jeez, with all the protests and rioting in the U.S., it just boggles my mind that a riot could go on for more than a few hours without being ended by a few thousand dollars worth of tear gas and fire hose.

 

[theHawk]

I outta move to France and sell cars for a living.

 

[no1tovote4]

Well, from what I can tell, burning cars seems to be a national pastime in France. They aren't upset they are burning cars, they are only upset that there were so many burned at once. Instead of the regular 50 that would usually burn on a weekend in france they were up to 4000. Now it is backing down again and only at 300 per weekend. While still elevated, not enough to really get a good reporting in the news....

 

[KarlMarx]

I outta move to France and sell cars for a living.

If you REALLY want to make money... move to France and sell white flags!

 

[padisha emperor]

If you REALLY want to make money... move to France and sell white flags!

so original, so fun, so stupid.

What about Iraq's mess, dear ?


Everybody in France did critics to this declaration of the police, for the "almost normal".
Even the TV news report of 20 PM (the most seen), here the presentator said : "and that gives a good idea of the notion of normal situation....".

About the article : it's the National Assembly, not the Senate, who voted.

"Sénat" : high chamber
"Assemblée Nationale" : low chamber.

Well, here again, a journalist who didn't make well her job. She could have to inform herself, it's not hard....

 

[rtwngAvngr]

so original, so fun, so stupid.

What about Iraq's mess, dear ?


Everybody in France did critics to this declaration of the police, for the "almost normal".
Even the TV news report of 20 PM (the most seen), here the presentator said : "and that gives a good idea of the notion of normal situation....".

About the article : it's the National Assembly, not the Senate, who voted.

"Sénat" : high chamber
"Assemblée Nationale" : low chamber.

Well, here again, a journalist who didn't make well her job. She could have to inform herself, it's not hard....

The Iraq mess? They're having elections. They're a democracy now. Why do you share Chirac's anger that his little corrupt cash cow, the oil for food program, was eliminated by the moral righteousness of the u.s.? Are you friends with Tojo Annan?

 

[CSM]

so original, so fun, so stupid.

What about Iraq's mess, dear ?


Everybody in France did critics to this declaration of the police, for the "almost normal".
Even the TV news report of 20 PM (the most seen), here the presentator said : "and that gives a good idea of the notion of normal situation....".

About the article : it's the National Assembly, not the Senate, who voted.

"Sénat" : high chamber
"Assemblée Nationale" : low chamber.

Well, here again, a journalist who didn't make well her job. She could have to inform herself, it's not hard....

I must admit that I am getting a grim satisfaction out of watching PE struggle with what he perceives to be media distortion. I just hope that in future disussions about subjects (other than France's problems) he takes the possibility of such distortions and exaggerations into account. Maybe he will look more critically at what is being said about the US and the war in Iraq....or even the "gang violence in the US" he is trying to use in his arguments here.

 

[padisha emperor]

About Iraq : bring democracy with bombs and force, what for a nice way !

And the USA weren't so preoccupied with the democracy before Iraq...

Brzjenski said in his book that to control the world, the high center was Bagdad. Before the wars................

And about the high sense of democracy of the USA : USA and USSR closed the eyes about the South Africa regime of Appartheid because they were able to take the ressources : gold, diamonds, uranium, platine....and a dictatorship is always more stable than a democracy. it's amazing, when the perestroïka began with Gorbatchev, the 2 countries were no more interested by this run about ressources, and then Mandela came to power.

Hypocrisy about human beeing is a really bad thing in the international relations.

Don't make believe that's only for democracy, the specialists in geopolitic say that it's not for that. not only for oil, but not for democracy.

Because if it was for democracy...why not the N-Korea ? some african countries ? or Asian ? or South America ?...

And a democracy with all-days attempts, violence, deads, attack, ciovil war and a military occupation, that's not the democracy.

 

[CSM]

About Iraq : bring democracy with bombs and force, what for a nice way !

And the USA weren't so preoccupied with the democracy before Iraq...

Brzjenski said in his book that to control the world, the high center was Bagdad. Before the wars................

And about the high sense of democracy of the USA : USA and USSR closed the eyes about the South Africa regime of Appartheid because they were able to take the ressources : gold, diamonds, uranium, platine....and a dictatorship is always more stable than a democracy. it's amazing, when the perestroïka began with Gorbatchev, the 2 countries were no more interested by this run about ressources, and then Mandela came to power.

Hypocrisy about human beeing is a really bad thing in the international relations.

Don't make believe that's only for democracy, the specialists in geopolitic say that it's not for that. not only for oil, but not for democracy.

Because if it was for democracy...why not the N-Korea ? some african countries ? or Asian ? or South America ?...

And a democracy with all-days attempts, violence, deads, attack, ciovil war and a military occupation, that's not the democracy.

aw cmon PE. I canot believe you are fiddling while Rome burns. I am sure your rhetoric is music to your ears but the flames are cooking your country. Pointing your finger (with the usual European arrogance) at the US while refusing to examine the issues impacting your country is exactly the kind of philosphy that got France to where it is today.

 

[Annie]

About Iraq : bring democracy with bombs and force, what for a nice way !

And the USA weren't so preoccupied with the democracy before Iraq...

Brzjenski said in his book that to control the world, the high center was Bagdad. Before the wars................

And about the high sense of democracy of the USA : USA and USSR closed the eyes about the South Africa regime of Appartheid because they were able to take the ressources : gold, diamonds, uranium, platine....and a dictatorship is always more stable than a democracy. it's amazing, when the perestroïka began with Gorbatchev, the 2 countries were no more interested by this run about ressources, and then Mandela came to power.

Hypocrisy about human beeing is a really bad thing in the international relations.

Don't make believe that's only for democracy, the specialists in geopolitic say that it's not for that. not only for oil, but not for democracy.

Because if it was for democracy...why not the N-Korea ? some african countries ? or Asian ? or South America ?...

And a democracy with all-days attempts, violence, deads, attack, ciovil war and a military occupation, that's not the democracy.

Oh PE, you are too funny! Paris burns and you criticize US, media, everything but the Gallic hell! :dev1:

 

[padisha emperor]

critics for the USA : stupid joke about France, then, stupid "joke" about USA, then answer about it, so I answered too.

But I'm not trying to avoid the subject or to speak of USA to show you're worse

(please, don't say Paris is burning. It's some cities around. And now, it's going quite better (but not almost normal as said police )

 

[Said1]

critics for the USA : stupid joke about France, then, stupid "joke" about USA, then answer about it, so I answered too.

But I'm not trying to avoid the subject or to speak of USA to show you're worse

(please, don't say Paris is burning. It's some cities around. And now, it's going quite better (but not almost normal as said police )

What's red and green and goes 100 miles an hour?

 

[padisha emperor]

a frog in a mixer (turn very fast) ?

 

[Said1]

a frog in a mixer (turn very fast) ?

Bon!

Now, what do you get when you put a frog in blender?

 

[Annie]

critics for the USA : stupid joke about France, then, stupid "joke" about USA, then answer about it, so I answered too.

But I'm not trying to avoid the subject or to speak of USA to show you're worse

(please, don't say Paris is burning. It's some cities around. And now, it's going quite better (but not almost normal as said police )

Oh yes you have been! You have been speaking for over a week about how 'we would not think a problem, compared to the daily gang problems here in major cities!"

I no longer believe you've been to US, for unless you went to LA during Rodney King problems, where you would have been about what? 8? No such shows, ever since. Even with that it was over in 2 or 3 days. What was done? LA police were scorced and praised, depending on their behavior. The police that beat him were punished, seriously. Those that rioted and burned out their fellow citizens, were caught and punished, seriously.

Assuming you WERE here, a huge leap of faith concerning your postings, one would assume you visited New York, Washington D.C., Chicago, LA, Las Vegas, Orlando or some such. In none of these would you find that 'burning cars' was a normal part of the day. Gangs they might have, though probably NOT in an area that a tourist would choose, but our 'lowlifes' might steal or tear down a car for parts, but would never 'lay waste' to it. There is capitalism v. socialism in a nutshell. Even our anti-socials get it.