France/Europe Definately NOT Good Days 17/18

[Annie]

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/11/days-17-18-violence-spreads-in-europe.html

video and links at site

Days 17 & 18: Violence Spreads in Europe

VIOLENCE BREAKS OUT IN FRANCE, BELGIUM, GREECE, GERMANY & THE NETHERLANDS,
VIDEO HERE

Last night- A nursery school was torched by youths in the southern French town of Carpentras, and a burning car was pushed up to an old people's home, which caused panic among residents.

The EU is offering France $59 million in aid after the rioting.

Firefighters are seen next to a car which was set ablaze in the city of Rotterdam, Netherlands, in the early hours of Sunday Nov. 13, 2005. Youths in the Dutch city of Rotterdam set four cars on fire overnight in a working class neighborhood, police said. Some 11 cars in total were burned or had their windows smashed. Police didn't make any arrests and were searching for the culprits, and said it was too early to say if the incident was a spill over of the French riots in recent weeks. (AP Photo/Roel Dijkstra, Remon Duivestein)

Dutch officials are watching the riots in France closely hoping the violence will not cross over into the Netherlands where 1 out of 5 are of foreign descent:

In the Netherlands, where almost 20% of the population is of foreign descent, the riots in France are also being closely monitored.

“We really don’t need to be afraid that the Netherlands or Europe will be in flames within a few weeks,” Han Entzinger, professor of migration and integration studies at Erasmus University in Rotterdam, told the Algemeen Dagblad daily.

“In France there is an explosive mixture,” he added. “The apartment blocks in the suburbs were put up for the newcomers. That is a big difference to here. Our immigrants ended up in existing districts and houses of much better quality.”

In Germany five cars set on fire in Berlin on Sunday and six in the western German city of Bremen. Some 3.2mn Muslims live in Germany, making it the second largest Muslim community in Europe after France.


Two men walk outside a French cultural institute in Athens November 11, 2005, after about 50 people attacked the building with paint and stones. Groups of anarchists broke windows, threw paint and spray-painted slogans at French cultural institutes in Athens and northern Greece in support of rioters in France, Greek police said on Friday. (REUTERS/Yiorgos Karahalis)

In Greece, "anarchists" damaged car showrooms and attacked a French school:

Groups of anarchists broke windows, threw paint and spray-painted slogans at French cultural institutes in Athens and northern Greece in support of rioters in France, Greek police said on Friday.

About 50 people, wearing hoods and helmets and carrying red and black flags, threw stones, spark plugs and bottles filled with paint at the central Athens French Institute on Friday morning, breaking windows and damaging parked vehicles. Police said there were no injuries and the group dispersed quickly after the attack.

Another group attacked the French institute in the northern city of Thessaloniki on Thursday evening, smashing windows while classrooms were filled with language students. They spray-painted “Rioters Are Right” on the front of the building.

The Brussels Journal has information on the rioting in Belgium.

A mechanic moves remains of torched vehicles with a forklift in the garage of a car service company in Brussels November 10, 2005. Youths set fire to 15 vehicles across Belgium in a fourth night of attacks which authorities said looked like imitations of violence in France. (REUTERS/Francois Lenoir)

French conservative leader Le Pen spoke out against the violence today:

FRENCH far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen has blamed rioting which has spread across the country on massive immigration into France, and criticized the government response as insufficient.

The riots "result from massive, uncontrolled immigration from the Third World," he said. "We knew it was a global time bomb."
France has been rocked by two weeks of car-burnings, arson attacks and rioting carried out mostly by young Arab and black residents of poor suburban high-rise estates, who complain of economic misery and racial discrimination.


Ireland is also concerned. Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern warned on Sunday that action must be taken to prevent ghettoisation of immigrants to ensure the country does not experience French-style riots.

The New York Times and Washington Post predict the riots will not spread in Europe.

Gina Cobb asks 10 Questions on the Violence in France that have yet to be answered.

Previous Paris Burning Posts:
Death of Immigrants Spark Riots in France
"Jacques Chirac Doesn't Care about Black People."
Mild Night of Paris Rioting as Police Garage, 11 Cars Torched!
Jacques Insists on Calm as Paris Descends into Quagmire
Violence Escalates! France in Retreat!
France Demands Calm! Rioters Take Up Arms!
Rioting Day #9... Paris Becomes Palestine
US Military on Call to Rescue France
Day 11: France Spirals Out of Control
Day 12 & 13: French Riots Ring Alarm Bells Across Europe
Day 14: French Rioters Move on to Bigger Targets
Day 17: Tsunami of Rioting Continues in France

posted by Gateway Pundit at 11/13/2005 07:01:00 PM

 

[Annie]

PE insists this is 'normal' and less than what happens day-to-day in US. I'm in Chicago area, we don't have this-in spite of gangs. Perhaps it is common in NY or LA?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051114/ap_on_re_eu/france_rioting_fr1

2 Schools Ablaze As French Unrest Persists

By ANGELA DOLAND, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 36 minutes ago

PARIS - France's national police chief said Sunday that the country's worst rioting since the 1960s seemed to be nearing an end, but violence persisted into the night, with at least two schools set on fire and dozens of cars torched.

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso proposed that the
European Union give $58 million to France for helping riot-hit towns recover. He said the EU could make up to $1.2 billion available in longer-term support.

In scattered attacks overnight into Monday, vandals rammed a car into a primary school in the southern city of Toulouse before setting the building on fire and burned cars in northeastern Strasbourg. In northern France, arsonists set fire to a sports center in the suburb of Faches-Thumesnil and a school in the town of Halluin.

The rioting, sparked by the accidental electrocution deaths of two teens who thought police were chasing them, began in Paris' poor suburbs, where immigrants from North and West Africa live with their French-born children in housing projects.

Sunday was the 18th straight night of unrest, but the storm of arson attacks and other violence has lost steam since the government declared a state of emergency on Wednesday.

The number of cars burned nightly has steadily decreased — from 502 overnight into Saturday, to 374 overnight into Saturday, to 208 as Monday began. A week earlier, 1,400 cars were incinerated in a single night.

On Monday, the Cabinet was to propose a bill allowing an extension of the 12-day state of emergency if needed.

If the downward trend continues, "things could return to normal very quickly," National Police Chief Michel Gaudin said, noting that French youths burn about 100 cars on an average Saturday night.

France's worst unrest since the 1968 student-worker protests is forcing the country to confront anger that has built for decades over racial discrimination, crowded housing and unemployment. The national jobless rate is nearly 10 percent, but it is around 40 percent for youths in housing projects.

Venissieux, a Lyon suburb, was one of about 40 towns to impose a curfew for minors. "What's the point? There's not a war here!" young people cried out to patrolling police in one troubled neighborhood.

But several Venissieux mothers said the curfew made them feel more at ease.

"We always think we're going to see our car burned, or our neighbor's car burned, when we wake up in the morning," said 40-year-old Sihem, who declined to give her last name.
:shocked:
In the next few days, France is expected to start deporting foreigners implicated in the violence — a plan by law-and-order Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy that has caused divisions in the government.

A poll in the newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche suggested Sarkozy is the politician that French people trust most to deal with the troubles. Some 53 percent said they supported him, while about 71 percent said they lacked confidence in President Jacques Chirac.

Nearly a quarter said they trusted Jean-Marie Le Pen, the far-right leader who was Chirac's main challenger in the 2002 presidential race. Le Pen has seized on the violence to promote his National Front party's "zero immigration" platform.

More copycat attacks were registered in neighboring countries Sunday, with 29 vehicles torched in Belgium, four cars burned in the Dutch city of Rotterdam, and two cars burned in the Swiss town of Martigny.

 

[theHawk]

The number of cars burned nightly has steadily decreased — from 502 overnight into Saturday, to 374 overnight into Saturday, to 208 as Monday began. A week earlier, 1,400 cars were incinerated in a single night.

LOL still hundreds of cars being burned in one night. And maybe its because there aren't too many cars left to be burned.

 

[Annie]

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/473

Religion, Don't Mention It
From the desk of Paul Belien on Mon, 2005-11-14 12:26

Hurrah! Last night was even “quieter” than the night before. According to French police statistics in the 18th consecutive night of rioting, there were violent incidents in 120 municipalities. In the whole of France 284 cars were set alight and 115 people were arrested, which brings the total number of arrests since the beginning of the riots on October 27 to 2,652. Five policemen were injured in Grenoble when a gas canister exploded in a dustbin that had been set alight. Paris was said to be “calm,” though other sources reported that a gas station had been set ablaze. The police announced that 68 cars were torched in Paris, compared to 76 the previous night. Michel Gaudin, the head of French police, said earlier that 86 vehicles burned in a single night is “about normal” in Paris. That, apparently, was more or less the pre-riot level in the capital of multicultural France.

Lyons was calm too: last night 15 cars were torched in France’s second largest city, one school was arsoned and another school was rammed with a car. Later today the French government is going to prolong the state of emergency until 21 February. The European Union will donate France 50 million euros to help recover from the damage, as if rioting is a kind of natural catastrophe, the French equivalent of Hurricane Katrina.

Hurrah for neighbouring Belgium, too. Just a few “isolated incidents” of vandalism, according to the authorities. One car torched in Brussels as well as one each in La Louvière, Sambreville and Moeskroen. In Charleroi five vehicles were set alight, in Ghent two. In Liège three 15-year old boys were arrested when they tried to burn down a school.

Speaking of schools: it appears that a number of the schools that were reported arsoned last week are Jewish. The authorities have chosen not to reveal this information and have asked Jewish organisations not to do so either. Some, including this week’s Economist, lecture that “the biggest lesson of the French riots is not about Islam but that more jobs are needed.” The mainstream media want us to believe that “youths” only burn down their own schools because they are frustrated at not finding jobs.

 

[theHawk]

LOL god these people are in such denial.

 

[padisha emperor]

Things go better, really.

Sorry to deceive you, but France won't be destroy...

 

[Annie]

Things go better, really.

Sorry to deceive you, but France won't be destroy...

UMMM, it's not us that are deceived.

 

[theHawk]

Glad to see that you are OK.

Would like to ask, is it true these rioting moslems are also burning churches and synagogues? And that the media is not covering it?

 

[padisha emperor]

they are not all muslims. one of these guys take this afternoon 4 years of detention, he hasn't a muslim name.
Don't believe they're all muslims, I know it, lots of them are not. So it's not this question
A proof : a mosquee has been burned.

 

[theHawk]

Well I'm sure not 100% of them are muslems either, and I wouldn't cite the fact that a mosque has been burned as proof. After all muslems kill each other and blow each other up everyday.
And you avoided my question about the churches and synagogues.

 

[padisha emperor]

Don't owrry, i didn't see it...if i had win 1 dollar for each of my questions people avoided here...wow, i would be millionar


don't know about these churches and synagogues.


but if some burn, I think the media would speak of it : when it happens, all the medias speak of it (for the synagogues, churches burn rarely....maybe never since 200 years)

For your argument "muslims kill muslims"....well, in middle east maybe, between chiits and sunnits, but in France no, dear.

When a mosquee burns :

- to fraud the assurances and win money (don't think it's already happened)
- action of racist/ extrem rights parties

Not becasue a muslim put the fire