Ignorant Homophobes fined $13,000 for refusing to host wedding

[WorldWatcher]

But it is VERY cool to know that the Militant Advocates of Normalizing Sexual Abnormality have no problem trying to FORCE people to into servitude through the illicit use of police powers.

You can NOT hide a fascist!

No more so than when 'no blacks served at this lunch counter' was found to be a violation of the law.

Which of those black folks chose to "BE BLACK"?

The New York Public Accommodation law also protects based on veterans status and marital status, both of which is a choice.

N.Y. EXC. LAW 296 NY Code - Section 296 Unlawful discriminatory practices


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[ChrisL]

I really don't like the idea of forcing anyone to do anything, but I also think it is wrong to discriminate against people when it comes to doing business. It's so ignorant!

 

[Skylar]

I really don't like the idea of forcing anyone to do anything, but I also think it is wrong to discriminate against people when it comes to doing business. It's so ignorant!

The State regulates intrastate commerce. If you're engaged in intrastate commerce, you are subject to the standards of conduct mandated by you State. And the State has every constitutional authority to impose those standards.

 

[bripat9643]

What studies?

Observing a group that denies reality requires no studies. Do you need studies to understand that no child has ever been born from a same sex coupling? Do you need a study to understand it takes opposing sex couplings to create human life?

If you need studies to show the obvious, you are either one of the delusional or looking for a reason for your enabling.

There are plenty of elderly couples who get married. They cannot produce human life. Are they delusional too?

Does your outlook on human sexuality begin and end with conception alone?

Having to compare yourself to the elderly or the disabled justifies what?

Answer: your delusion

I'm not Gay. I am an American citizen who cannot fathom using hate, fear and suspicion as motivation for discrimination in business.

and yet you can fathom using government to punish people for their beliefs, even in something as inconsequential and non essential as where to hold a wedding, who to bake a cake for, or who to shoot photographs for.

Religious beliefs is a smokescreen. No legitimate religion calls for discrimination as part of their dogma or doctrine. Wrapping homophobia in ecclesiastical robes is a pitiful way to go.

Oh puhleeze. You can't be serious. All the major religions condemn homosexuality and even call for homosexuals to be executed.

 

[bripat9643]

I really don't like the idea of forcing anyone to do anything, but I also think it is wrong to discriminate against people when it comes to doing business. It's so ignorant!

The State regulates intrastate commerce. If you're engaged in intrastate commerce, you are subject to the standards of conduct mandated by you State. And the State has every constitutional authority to impose those standards.

Actually, the federal government has no authority to impose 95% of the regulations enforce. The commerce clause does not give the government authority to impose regulations on business. It only empowers it to prevent states from creating obstructions to commerce.

 

[Skylar]

I really don't like the idea of forcing anyone to do anything, but I also think it is wrong to discriminate against people when it comes to doing business. It's so ignorant!

The State regulates intrastate commerce. If you're engaged in intrastate commerce, you are subject to the standards of conduct mandated by you State. And the State has every constitutional authority to impose those standards.

Actually, the federal government has no authority to impose 95% of the regulations enforce. The commerce clause does not give the government authority to impose regulations on business. It only empowers it to prevent states from creating obstructions to commerce.

I didn't say the Federal Government. I said the State. And the States have authority over intrastate commerce.

Did you actually read my reply? The word 'federal government' is never mentioned once.

 

[Kosh]

I really don't like the idea of forcing anyone to do anything, but I also think it is wrong to discriminate against people when it comes to doing business. It's so ignorant!

Not exactly the government does it all the time, but then again they are not in business.

People have the right to choose, it is up to the individual if that is what is best for their business.

Then again if this was the only place to do such things I could see the point, otherwise this was noting more than an agenda based stunt.

All they had to do was flash their money say "Ok we will take our thousands of dollars elsewhere".

Then again two wrongs never make a right!

 

[Seawytch]

But it is VERY cool to know that the Militant Advocates of Normalizing Sexual Abnormality have no problem trying to FORCE people to into servitude through the illicit use of police powers.

You can NOT hide a fascist!

No more so than when 'no blacks served at this lunch counter' was found to be a violation of the law.

Which of those black folks chose to "BE BLACK"?

Title II of the Civil Rights Act also mentions religion...which is a choice (unlike being gay)

 

[ChrisL]

I really don't like the idea of forcing anyone to do anything, but I also think it is wrong to discriminate against people when it comes to doing business. It's so ignorant!

The State regulates intrastate commerce. If you're engaged in intrastate commerce, you are subject to the standards of conduct mandated by you State. And the State has every constitutional authority to impose those standards.

Yes, well like I said, I don't like the idea of the government being able to make business decisions for a person. That, however, does not mean that I like the discrimination that some business owners obviously want to practice. It's pretty sad state of affairs.

I've found that religion is awfully hateful, IMO.

 

[Seawytch]

I really don't like the idea of forcing anyone to do anything, but I also think it is wrong to discriminate against people when it comes to doing business. It's so ignorant!

Not exactly the government does it all the time, but then again they are not in business.

People have the right to choose, it is up to the individual if that is what is best for their business.

Then again if this was the only place to do such things I could see the point, otherwise this was noting more than an agenda based stunt.

All they had to do was flash their money say "Ok we will take our thousands of dollars elsewhere".

Then again two wrongs never make a right!

No, they don't have that "right" and haven't since the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act. Now, decades later these laws also protect gays in some places the way the protect race and religion.

Please, go call your Congressman and tell him you want to get rid of all Public Accommodation laws, not just the ones that protect gays. If a Christian doesn't have to serve me because I'm gay, I shouldn't have to serve a Christian.

 

[Mac1958]

If a Christian doesn't have to serve me because I'm gay, I shouldn't have to serve a Christian.

Yep!

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

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[Seawytch]

If a Christian doesn't have to serve me because I'm gay, I shouldn't have to serve a Christian.

Yep!

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

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Except that's not true. You can't refuse service to "anyone".

I cannot refuse to serve someone who is black or Christian in all 50 states. I can be refused service in probably half or more.

 

[Mac1958]

If a Christian doesn't have to serve me because I'm gay, I shouldn't have to serve a Christian.

Yep!

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

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Except that's not true. You can't refuse service to "anyone".

I cannot refuse to serve someone who is black or Christian in all 50 states. I can be refused service in probably half or more.

Come on, let's not base this discussion on laws. If you were so concerned about laws I bet your take on illegal immigration would be entirely different.

Yes?

If someone refused service to me for any reason (gender, sexual orientation, religion/lack thereof, race, clothing, shoes, you name it), or if I were with you and you were refused service for any reason, I would walk out and go somewhere else. **** them (truth be told, I'm so fucked up that I would probably try to engage them in civil conversation about their reasoning, but that's just me). I wouldn't want to give such an asshole my business anyway. But this is America, and assholes are allowed.

Then I'd probably tell my friends when the topic came up so that they would know, too. They wouldn't give him their business either, I'd betcha.

Then I'd get on with my life, because I'm not one who likes to intimidate, punish and control others simply because I think they're assholes.

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[Seawytch]

If a Christian doesn't have to serve me because I'm gay, I shouldn't have to serve a Christian.

Yep!

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

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Except that's not true. You can't refuse service to "anyone".

I cannot refuse to serve someone who is black or Christian in all 50 states. I can be refused service in probably half or more.

Come on, let's not base this discussion on laws. If you were so concerned about laws I bet your take on illegal immigration would be entirely different.

Yes?

If someone refused service to me for any reason (gender, sexual orientation, religion/lack thereof, race, clothing, shoes, you name it), or if I were with you and you were refused service for any reason, I would walk out and go somewhere else. **** them (truth be told, I'm so fucked up that I would probably try to engage them in civil conversation about their reasoning, but that's just me). I wouldn't want to give such an asshole my business anyway. But this is America, and assholes are allowed.

Then I'd probably tell my friends when the topic came up so that they would know, too. They wouldn't give him their business either, I'd betcha.

Then I'd get on with my life, because I'm not one who likes to intimidate, punish and control others simply because I think they're assholes.

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You keep bringing up immigration as though you have a valid argument. You don't. I support the enforcement of our immigration laws. I also support changing them and there is legislation to have them changed.

Where is the legislation to repeal Title II of the Civil Rights Act?

I also don't think we're "there" yet. We repeal PA laws and the gay or Muslim couple in TN has to grow their own food? What if the only gas station won't give them gas?

I live in a rural area where only ONE company will pump my septic. What if they refused to serve me because I'm gay? I'm supposed to pump my own shit I guess.

 

[Mac1958]

I live in a rural area where only ONE company will pump my septic. What if they refused to serve me because I'm gay? I'm supposed to pump my own shit I guess.

Great question, let's look at that. Maybe there is middle ground where, if there is only one product or service within 25 (or whatever) miles, public accommodation laws would apply. To me, the situation you describe would be the one obvious reason for those laws in first place.

If an ignorant homophobe opens a business in one of those areas, tough shit, the law exists because you don't have options, and as long as they are the only option, they have to provide the services that they provide.

Maybe we start with an idea that has nothing to do with ideology and come up with a workable answer.

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[Seawytch]

I live in a rural area where only ONE company will pump my septic. What if they refused to serve me because I'm gay? I'm supposed to pump my own shit I guess.

Great question, let's look at that. Maybe there is middle ground where, if there is only one product or service within 25 (or whatever) miles, public accommodation laws would apply. To me, the situation you describe would be the one obvious reason for those laws in first place.

If an ignorant homophobe opens a business in one of those areas, tough shit, the law exists because you don't have options, and as long as they are the only option, they have to provide the services that they provide.

Maybe we start with an idea that has nothing to do with ideology and come up with a workable answer.

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It all sounds great Mac. I'd be in full support of repealing PA laws in big cities where there ARE other options, but where's the beef? The ONLY legislation I've seen regarding PA laws are anti gay bigots trying to pass carve outs from these laws just so they can continue to be hypocritical anti gay bigots. There is NO legislation anywhere to repeal the protections for race, religion, country of origin, gender, veteran or disability status. None, zip, zilch, nada.

 

[Mac1958]

I live in a rural area where only ONE company will pump my septic. What if they refused to serve me because I'm gay? I'm supposed to pump my own shit I guess.

Great question, let's look at that. Maybe there is middle ground where, if there is only one product or service within 25 (or whatever) miles, public accommodation laws would apply. To me, the situation you describe would be the one obvious reason for those laws in first place.

If an ignorant homophobe opens a business in one of those areas, tough shit, the law exists because you don't have options, and as long as they are the only option, they have to provide the services that they provide.

Maybe we start with an idea that has nothing to do with ideology and come up with a workable answer.

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It all sounds great Mac. I'd be in full support of repealing PA laws in big cities where there ARE other options, but where's the beef? The ONLY legislation I've seen regarding PA laws are anti gay bigots trying to pass carve outs from these laws just so they can continue to be hypocritical anti gay bigots. There is NO legislation anywhere to repeal the protections for race, religion, country of origin, gender, veteran or disability status. None, zip, zilch, nada.

You and I can reasonably and civilly agree on stuff on a message board that makes sense.

You and I aren't politicians playing to their base.

I don't know how to get there from here, I wish I did.

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[Seawytch]

I live in a rural area where only ONE company will pump my septic. What if they refused to serve me because I'm gay? I'm supposed to pump my own shit I guess.

Great question, let's look at that. Maybe there is middle ground where, if there is only one product or service within 25 (or whatever) miles, public accommodation laws would apply. To me, the situation you describe would be the one obvious reason for those laws in first place.

If an ignorant homophobe opens a business in one of those areas, tough shit, the law exists because you don't have options, and as long as they are the only option, they have to provide the services that they provide.

Maybe we start with an idea that has nothing to do with ideology and come up with a workable answer.

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It all sounds great Mac. I'd be in full support of repealing PA laws in big cities where there ARE other options, but where's the beef? The ONLY legislation I've seen regarding PA laws are anti gay bigots trying to pass carve outs from these laws just so they can continue to be hypocritical anti gay bigots. There is NO legislation anywhere to repeal the protections for race, religion, country of origin, gender, veteran or disability status. None, zip, zilch, nada.

You and I can reasonably and civilly agree on stuff on a message board that makes sense.

You and I aren't politicians playing to their base.

I don't know how to get there from here, I wish I did.

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Except this is a case of "both sides", but it is both sides won't do it. Nobody on either side of the aisle are going to go on record being in support of repealing PA laws. Even Rand Paul walked back his comments. It ain't happening so that leaves me with "put up or shut up". Either get rid of them all or quit complaining (trying to find these "I'm godly" carve outs) because in some places they protect me too.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Do you know what the word "homophobe" means? Just because someone does not want to host a gay ceremony at their business, on their property, does not even remotely make them a "homophobe."

It's hard to have a rational dialogue when you start the conversation with over-heated rhetoric like "ignorant" and "homophobes."

I'd be curious to see what would happen if gays started targeting Orthodox Jewish synagogues to try to force them to host gay ceremonies.

Or, if gays started targeting Muslim mosques to try to force them to host gay ceremonies.

It'd be interesting to see how the Left would spin things when those synagogues and mosques resisted being forced to hold ceremonies that they found morally offensive.

I'd like to see the Left try to smear Holocaust survivors and their children as "homophones" simply because they did not want to be forced to host a ceremony that they found morally objectionable.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you know what the word "homophobe" means? Just because someone does not want to host a gay ceremony at their business, on their property, does not even remotely make them a "homophobe."

It's hard to have a rational dialogue when you start the conversation with over-heated rhetoric like "ignorant" and "homophobes."

I'd be curious to see what would happen if gays started targeting Orthodox Jewish synagogues to try to force them to host gay ceremonies.

Or, if gays started targeting Muslim mosques to try to force them to host gay ceremonies.

It'd be interesting to see how the Left would spin things when those synagogues and mosques resisted being forced to hold ceremonies that they found morally offensive.

I'd like to see the Left try to smear Holocaust survivors and their children as "homophones" simply because they did not want to be forced to host a ceremony that they found morally objectionable.

that argument would work if they were a church. They aren't.

A reception hall or a photographer or a baker run by Muslims or Jews would be under the same obligation to provide services they've offered.