If You Were a Democrat

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If You Were a Democrat



Terry Eastland, for the Editors

Washington (The Weekly Standard) Vol. 010, Issue 26 - 3/28/2005 - IF YOU WERE A SENATE Democrat, you'd filibuster those Bush judges. Yes, you would. When it came time to vote on a targeted nominee in this new Congress, you'd know the deal. You'd know that Republicans would move for cloture to limit debate, and that if they succeeded, the nominee would get an up-or-down vote. But you'd also know that, under those very useful Senate rules, they would need 60 votes to prevail, and that because the Republicans number just 55, your side would win so long as at least 41 of you hung together.



Yes, if you were a Democrat, you'd be ready to say no and no and no again on those cloture petitions. You'd filibuster the Bush nominees because you'd know that if they were actually voted on, they'd be confirmed. Each and every one of them, by majorities in the mid-to-high 50s. And then for decades those nominees would sit on the circuit courts of appeal, which, because they have the last word on all but the handful of cases that go up to the Supreme Court, are very important indeed. If those judges performed as advertised, they would disdain the living, evolving Constitution that you so admire and would decide cases in the manner of Scalia or Thomas, Bush's favorite jurists, a horrible prospect.

Of course, if you were a Democrat (and even if you were a Republican), you'd also know that some judges don't perform as advertised and that some have demonstrated an unusual capacity to "grow in office"--Washington shorthand for judges who grow less conservative. And you'd know that because they have that capacity, some Bush judges might turn out to be like, say, Souter or Kennedy, a pleasant surprise for your party. But as a Democrat, you'd know that you couldn't trust this president to put up too many Souters and Kennedys, and that you'd better be ready to say no whenever your leaders gave the signal--following due consultation, of course, with People For the American Way and the rest of the activist groups to whom your caucus has outsourced its critical thinking on all things judicial. As a Democrat, you'd know that your filibusters of circuit nominees would warm you up for the big game--the filibustering of Bush's Supreme Court picks.

If you were a Democrat, you'd know better about a lot of things said on your side. Of course you would. You'd know Schumer was a fool when he justified filibustering nominees by citing Madison's description of the Senate as a "cooling saucer," because you'd know (wouldn't you?) that the image came not from Madison but Washington, and that as he used it, it had nothing to do with filibusters, the first one of which took place only in the 1820s, and to stymie not judicial nominations, but legislation.

You'd know that the great constitutionalist Robert Byrd was speaking nonsense when he said that the Senate was "rejecting" Bush judges, because you'd know, wouldn't you, that the Senate was doing no such thing, but that a subset of the Senate, a minority made up exclusively of you and your Democratic colleagues, was engaged in a blocking action designed to prevent an up-or-down vote that, were it held, would invariably result in approval, not rejection.

And block you would, over and over again, just as you did during the last session, when you and your brilliant colleagues prevented votes on no fewer than 10 nominees. You'd keep on with this even though you'd know that the road you and Bobby and Chuck and Ted and Hillary and John decided to go down two years ago when you became the minority party had never been taken before. That is, you'd know that no Senate minority ever before had made routine use of the filibuster to block judicial nominees who would have enjoyed majority Senate support.

And you'd know that the Republicans were right when they insisted on an up-or-down vote, and that the parliamentary procedures they were contemplating using to exempt judicial nominations from the filibuster, a Senate rule that the Senate may change as it wishes, were once used by Byrd himself when he was majority leader to establish Senate precedents designed to stop filibusters and other delaying tactics. Indeed, you'd know that the record was filled with all kinds of statements by Byrd and other Democrats quite at odds with their current ones. You'd know that Ted once got up and said, "The filibuster has been the shame of the Senate and the last resort of special interest groups," and "the Senate should operate under the principle of majority rule, except as the Constitution otherwise provides," and "a simple majority is entitled to change the Senate rules." You'd applaud the hypocrisy but you might also applaud obviously sincere confessions, like Barbara Boxer's, who said just this week at MoveOn.org's "Rally for Fair Judges" that "I thought I knew everything" back when Democrats controlled the Senate and she opposed the filibuster, but "I was wrong . . . totally wrong."

If you were a Democrat, you wouldn't worry if Frist tried to end the filibuster for judges. You wouldn't worry if you and your colleagues responded to such an effort by shutting down the Senate. Actually, you'd be ready to blow the place up. Because you'd know nothing was more important than blocking votes on Bush's nominees, even though a leading legal scholar who advises Democrats says that the Bush judges so far are proving no different, in terms of judging, than the judges sponsored by Reagan and Bush's father.

If you were a Democrat, you'd not worry about your party's rejection of the practice of so many years (1791 to 2002) whereby a simple majority was all that was necessary to confirm a judge. You'd not worry that your party had managed to change the vote needed for the confirmation of a judge from a simple majority to a three-fifths supermajority, and in fact you'd think Boxer had nailed it when she said--over there at the MoveOn.org rally--that "for such a super-important position there ought to be a super vote."

You'd not worry that in 2006 or 2008 your party might lose Senate seats as Tom Daschle lost his last fall partly on account of its unprecedented filibustering ways. You'd not worry that some of the five Democrats from red states whose seats are up in 2006 might lose because of this issue. And you'd not worry that a Republican minority might someday decide to follow your example and routinely filibuster a Democratic president's judicial nominees. Certainly you'd not worry, nor would constitutionalist Byrd, that the filibuster (to quote the legal scholar Michael Gerhardt) "is problematic because it creates a presumption against confirmation, shifts the balance of power to the Senate and enhances the power of the special interests."

You'd not worry about those things because you'd agree that nothing matters as much as preventing votes on Bush's nominees. You'd know that because the special interests--er, your "advisers," the folks over at People For the American Way, NARAL, the ACLU, and, fresh off their great success in the 2004 campaign, MoveOn.org told you so. You'd know them, if you were a Democrat, and, more important, they'd know you, and they'd know you'd be afraid of getting crosswise with them and with the Democratic base they claim to represent.

If you were a Senate Democrat, then, you'd be ready to vote no and no and no again. Deep down, though, you'd also know that your party had fallen off its rocker. You'd know that the filibustering strategy was stupid and unwise, bad for the Senate, bad for the presidency, bad for the courts--and bad for the Democratic party. And you'd give it up. If you were a smart Democrat.

-- Terry Eastland, for the Editors

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You'd know that Ted once got up and said, "The filibuster has been the shame of the Senate and the last resort of special interest groups," and "the Senate should operate under the principle of majority rule, except as the Constitution otherwise provides," and "a simple majority is entitled to change the Senate rules."

I love it.
 
theim said:
I love it.

I always notice how when I post articles like this, the conservatives are like, "yup, that's it alright", and don't have much else to say about it, and then the libs are like... "silent". They can't dispute a damn thing in it.
 
Pale Rider said:
I always notice how when I post articles like this, the conservatives are like, "yup, that's it alright", and don't have much else to say about it, and then the libs are like... "silent". They can't dispute a damn thing in it.

And you get a :thup: from me on this. Interesting way it was written.
 
Pale Rider said:
I always notice how when I post articles like this, the conservatives are like, "yup, that's it alright", and don't have much else to say about it, and then the libs are like... "silent". They can't dispute a damn thing in it.

What much else is there to say, really?

Ted Kennedy says one thing and does exactly the opposite, does exactly what he denounced. It's like arguing with someone and then having them say "Im a frickn' moron". Not much else to do, except agree :)
 
theim said:
What much else is there to say, really?

Ted Kennedy says one thing and does exactly the opposite, does exactly what he denounced. It's like arguing with someone and then having them say "Im a frickn' moron". Not much else to do, except agree :)

I guess I'll have to get away from posting these factual articles about how big of hypocritical liars liberals are, and get back to posting the real controversial stuff, like whether or not to pull the tube on some already dead vegetable that's been shitting herself for the last fifteen years.
 
Pale Rider said:
I guess I'll have to get away from posting these factual articles about how big of hypocritical liars liberals are, and get back to posting the real controversial stuff, like whether or not to pull the tube on some already dead vegetable that's been shitting herself for the last fifteen years.
I think it goes a little deeper than that , PR.
 
Pale Rider said:
I guess I'll have to get away from posting these factual articles about how big of hypocritical liars liberals are, and get back to posting the real controversial stuff, like whether or not to pull the tube on some already dead vegetable that's been shitting herself for the last fifteen years.

It's just a feeding tube.. She isn't on any form of life support whatsoever. They pulled the feeding tube on Friday, and she's still alive.. They say she can survive approx. 10-15 days without food and water.

Essentially, they're starving her to death. The problem is, nobody knows what *her* wishes are, and they're just speculating, while playing Russian Roulette with her life by removing, and reinserting the feeding tube, while her husband is just having a gay old time.
 
Pale Rider said:
I guess I'll have to get away from posting these factual articles about how big of hypocritical liars liberals are, and get back to posting the real controversial stuff, like whether or not to pull the tube on some already dead vegetable that's been shitting herself for the last fifteen years.
I know the feeling--some threads I start just go ignored. Guess there's some places that people just don't feel like going.
 
If I were a democrat I would cry at silly chick flicks. Real men are few and far between in that group....

If I were a democrat I would assume I knew better how to raise children than their parents even though I had chosen to kill all my kids before they took their first breath....

If I were a democrat I would praise the French as if they were the center of the world....
 
Shattered said:
It's just a feeding tube.. She isn't on any form of life support whatsoever. They pulled the feeding tube on Friday, and she's still alive.. They say she can survive approx. 10-15 days without food and water.

Essentially, they're starving her to death. The problem is, nobody knows what *her* wishes are, and they're just speculating, while playing Russian Roulette with her life by removing, and reinserting the feeding tube, while her husband is just having a gay old time.

Her brain was starved of oxcygen for over ten minutes. Her brain is dead, and it will never "come back". It can't. It's a physical and natural impossibility. They should let her "body" die, as her brain is already dead. She has a flat line for brain activity, nothing, zip, zilch. Her soul has probably already departed. I think what they're doing keeping her alive is morbid.

And if there's more to it than that, still, let her die, and then get on with the business of sorting out the rest.

There, how's that with staying on topic... :blah2: :teeth:
 
Pale Rider said:
Her brain was starved of oxcygen for over ten minutes. Her brain is dead, and it will never "come back". It can't. It's a physical and natural impossibility. They should let her "body" die, as her brain is already dead. She has a flat line for brain activity, nothing, zip, zilch. Her soul has probably already departed. I think what they're doing keeping her alive is morbid.

And if there's more to it than that, still, let her die, and then get on with the business of sorting out the rest.

There, how's that with staying on topic... :blah2: :teeth:

Ugh. That attitude is just tragic. (But I think you knew I'd say that). :)

How come you don't have anything to say about her good for nothing, two-timing husband who seems to have "forgotten" what her wishes were?

What's wrong with giving her back to her parents for so long as they want to take care of her?
 
Shattered said:
Ugh. That attitude is just tragic. (But I think you knew I'd say that). :)

How come you don't have anything to say about her good for nothing, two-timing husband who seems to have "forgotten" what her wishes were?

What's wrong with giving her back to her parents for so long as they want to take care of her?


no one is capable of answering this question apparently
 
Shattered said:
Ugh. That attitude is just tragic. (But I think you knew I'd say that). :)

How come you don't have anything to say about her good for nothing, two-timing husband who seems to have "forgotten" what her wishes were?

What's wrong with giving her back to her parents for so long as they want to take care of her?

Why has this so called husband, hung on to this for 15 years??? All he had to do was divorce her 14 1/2 yrs ago, and let her parents take care of her like they want. What are his true motives? Makes me wonder! :(
 
Stephanie said:
Why has this so called husband, hung on to this for 15 years??? All he had to do was divorce her 14 1/2 yrs ago, and let her parents take care of her like they want. What are his true motives? Makes me wonder! :(

As soon as she mentioned wanting to split up, she had an "accident"...thus finding herself in her current predicament.

The "husband" doesn't care for her, won't allow anyone else to care for her, yet goes galavanting through his life without a care in the world. When she finally does die, who gets the insurance money? Certainly not him if he'd divorced her.

This asshole is no better than Scott Peterson, IMO. :fu2:
 
Stephanie said:
Why has this so called husband, hung on to this for 15 years??? All he had to do was divorce her 14 1/2 yrs ago, and let her parents take care of her like they want. What are his true motives? Makes me wonder! :(


Oh, and I posted my opinion of that, too. He can't let her go to her parents.. If there's even a 1% chance she'll partially recover, it's possible things will get out that he may not *want* out. Jackass.
 
Shattered said:
Oh, and I posted my opinion of that, too. He can't let her go to her parents.. If there's even a 1% chance she'll partially recover, it's possible things will get out that he may not *want* out. Jackass.

She move's her eyes, when they pass that balloon over her face, and smiles when they talk to her. To me that is NOT a total brain dead person? This case makes me angry. Where do we stop? She is not on life support, that to me is a respirator, there are a lot of people who are on feeding tubes. People who are anorexics, babies who are premature, and on and on. This is just wrong to starve a person to death.
 
I guess I got off topic, I apologize I went off on a rant. As for you orginal post, I Totally Agree. :blowup:
 
Shattered said:
As soon as she mentioned wanting to split up, she had an "accident"...thus finding herself in her current predicament.

The "husband" doesn't care for her, won't allow anyone else to care for her, yet goes galavanting through his life without a care in the world. When she finally does die, who gets the insurance money? Certainly not him if he'd divorced her.

This asshole is no better than Scott Peterson, IMO. :fu2:

This was what I was talking about Shattered. "More to it". If they've got something on the husband "legaly", then charge him. If not, get off his ass. Last I knew, it wasn't "illegal" to be an asshole. And the fact that he's an asshole has got nothing to do with MERCIFULLY letting a brain dead, drolling, shitting herself, vegetable, die.

If I laid in a hospital bed for fifteen years being kept alive by people that had some kind of morbid fascination with my brain dead body, when I finaly did die, I'd come back and haunt the shit out of you twisted people.

Anyone who thinks Terry is going to MAGICALLY recover needs THEIR head examined.

Back at ya' ... :321:
 
Pale Rider said:
This was what I was talking about Shattered. "More to it". If they've got something on the husband "legaly", then charge him. If not, get off his ass. Last I knew, it wasn't "illegal" to be an asshole. And the fact that he's an asshole has got nothing to do with MERCIFULLY letting a brain dead, drolling, shitting herself, vegetable, die.

If I laid in a hospital bed for fifteen years being kept alive by people that had some kind of morbid fascination with my brain dead body, when I finaly did die, I'd come back and haunt the shit out of you twisted people.

Anyone who thinks Terry is going to MAGICALLY recover needs THEIR head examined.

Back at ya' ... :321:


where was all this mercy of his 15 years ago ,PR ?
 

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