Do right wingers actually ‘like’ America?

[Hollie]

We're the ones who are for equal opportunity, not you. We want everyone to have equal access to basic resources, like food, housing, education, and healthcare. A White person born into a middle-class or upper-middle class family, not to speak of whites born into wealth, has access to much more resources than a Black or Latino born in the ghetto. Socialists like me, want to make food, basic housing, education, healthcare, and jobs a human right, as other Western nations have done. We want to establish that here in the US as well.

Within a socialist society, those who are best qualified, would hopefully, make themselves known to the public or their local worker's council, and get elected into whatever position they're most qualified to have. I am 100% for the most qualified to get the job or leadership position. I'm against racist or sexist quotas that hurt people, undermining their ability to actualize their fullest potential.

As a socialist/commie, I'm also against open borders. The resources of the United States should be used to serve American citizens and legal residents, not all of Latin America or the whole planet. Capitalist-imperialist love their cheap labor and the American working-class fighting each other over jobs. They love that shit, because it keeps them in power. As long as working-class, middle-class whites are at war with working-class and middle-class blacks and latinos, they can't organize to defend and advance their common socioeconomic interests, against their capitalist masters.

Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, in his book The Wealth Of Nations, wrote:

What are the common wages of labor, depends every where upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen (the employees, the working-class) desire to get as much, the masters (the employers capitalist class, the wealthy elites) to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine (Form labor unions to collectively negotiate their terms of employment with their powerful, wealthy masters/employers) in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor.

It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine (The masters also "unionize", "unite", to advance their common socioeconomic class interests in the form of chambers of commerce, industry associations, and guilds, super-PACs, non-profit front organizations/NGOs, think tanks staffed by well-paid academics from ivy league universities, armies of lobbyists bribing politicians) much more easily; and the law, besides, authorizes, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen (makeing it impossible through criminalizing it or by not enacting any labor-protection laws). (Book I, Chapter VIII)

(EMPHASIS MINE)

If you are a working-class white person, realize that your masters want you to hate blacks and latinos, because if you are fighting the members of your own socioeconomic class, then the wealth and power of your masters, their control over the US government and resources both domestically and abroad in the developing "third world", is secure. The masters are strong and secure when we are weak and insecure.

Keeping the peasants at each other's throats is the primary tool and weapon the masters use to disarm and control the working-class. The other tool that they use is the carrot. Making their employees believe that if they work hard they will get rich too. After WWII, the United States was essentially unscathed compared to Western Europe, Russia and East Asia. The US became the world's manufacturing hub, creating an immense amount of wealth, for all Americans.

The American "middle-class" was born and sustained, in the golden age of our nation's economy, between 1950 and 1980. For the better part of thirty years, the US labor-force was the world's aristocracy of labor, with the highest standard of living. The best paid with the most benefits, living in a modern, industrialized, quickly expanding and developing, successful nation. It wasn't right-wing conservative economics and policies that created that wealthy golden age, but a heavily unionized working class, earning good wages, higher tax rates for the masters (the rich and powerful), and affordable food, housing, transportation, healthcare, and education..etc.

None of the above was created or maintained with laissez-faire "free market" capitalism but with plenty of government planning, infrastructure, and management. Ronald Reagan changed all of that, essentially gutting our working class by stripping them of their government-protected rights which allowed them to unionize, and destroying our manufacturing base by incentivizing American capitalists to rely on cheap foreign labor. He turned the American economy from one based on manufacturing hard goods - MADE IN THE USA, to one based on Wall Street speculative trading and finance, which imports everything from third-world countries.

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If you want to make "America Great Again", then that entails adopting the economic policies we had before 1981, which were much more Keynesian (more leftist) than what we have today.

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No. The Dems / Socialists are about equity - equality of outcome. That's standard Marxist ideology.

As your cutting and pasting made clear, revulsion for whites (self-loathing), is a pathology that grips the Dems / Socialists.

 

[TruthNotBS]

No. The Dems / Socialists are about equity - equality of outcome. That's standard Marxist ideology.

As your cutting and pasting made clear, revulsion for whites (self-loathing), is a pathology that grips the Dems / Socialists.

Thanks for complimenting me but no, I write everything I post. I explained in my last post, which you just flippantly dismissed with a wave of your cheap rhetorical magical wand, how actual socialists like myself are indeed for equality of opportunity. You didn't debunk a word I said in my last post.

Now that I know that you're not just misinformed but rather a complete moron, I will be responding to your right-wing claptrap for the sake of others, who are sincerely seeking the truth, not you.

 

[Hollie]

Thanks for complimenting me but no, I write everything I post. I explained in my last post, which you just flippantly dismissed with a wave of your cheap rhetorical magical wand, how actual socialists like myself are indeed for equality of opportunity. You didn't debunk a word I said in my last post.

Now that I know that you're not just misinformed but rather a complete moron, I will be responding to your right-wing claptrap for the sake of others, who are sincerely seeking the truth, not you.

Not much to debunk in connection with your pom pom flailing for some perceived Stalinist / Marxist utopia.

The 20th century is filled with examples of failures that define the equality of outcome ideology of Stalinism / Marxism. To claim totalitarianism has any connection to equality of opportunity is to deny every example of Stalinist / Leninist authoritarianism.

During the 20th century, the world stood knee deep in blood, body parts and misery filled by every manner of Stalinist / Leninist policy. You will sidestep and deflect but while you are safely ensconced in the Great Satan, you will try to defend the 20th century legacy of your Stalinist / Leninist heroes. That legacy is one of revenge, torture, exploitation, starvation and the elevation of psychopaths as the most prolific purveyors of inflicting human misery.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Not much to debunk in connection with your pom pom flailing for some perceived Stalinist / Marxist utopia.

The 20th century is filled with examples of failures that define the equality of outcome ideology of Stalinism / Marxism. To claim totalitarianism has any connection to equality of opportunity is to deny every example of Stalinist / Leninist authoritarianism.

During the 20th century, the world stood knee deep in blood, body parts and misery filled by every manner of Stalinist / Leninist policy. You will sidestep and deflect but while you are safely ensconced in the Great Satan, you will try to defend the 20th century legacy of your Stalinist / Leninist heroes. That legacy is one of revenge, torture, exploitation, starvation and the elevation of psychopaths as the most prolific purveyors of inflicting human misery.

Not much to debunk in connection with your pom pom flailing for some perceived Stalinist / Marxist utopia.

Resorting to cheap, silly rhetoric doesn't strengthen your case against socialism. Try again.

The 20th century is filled with examples of failures that define the equality of outcome ideology of Stalinism / Marxism.

Socialism has never been about "equality of outcome", hence your assertion is baseless and without merit. Your classification of American Dems as "socialists", places you in an extremely precarious position, politically, historically, and otherwise. Your moronic labeling of government policies, which you don't like as "Stalinist/Marxist", transforms present-day Western Europe, Canada, Japan, and many other relatively successful, well-developed countries around the world as "Stalinist/Marxist".

Those "leftist" policies that you abhor, labeling them "Stalinist-Marxist" and utopian, are taken for granted and normal, in most of the modern industrialized world. Your diatribes and cheap polemics only undermine your argument against socialism (I'm being generous, because you don't have an argument, just cheap Cold War rhetoric).

Whatever occurred in the 20th century is irrelevant today, because the present socioeconomic, political, scientific and technological, context in the 21st century is entirely different than it was 100 or 70 years ago. You also ignore the fact that developing countries that explicitly identify their economies and political system as Marxist, are quickly sanctioned and threatened with war, by the United States and its allies. So you don't have the ideological luxury to argue that socialism doesn't work or has failed when the US capitalist Empire, that controls the world's reserve currency and banks, is imposing brutal economic embargoes on socialist countries.

To claim totalitarianism has any connection to equality of opportunity is to deny every example of Stalinist / Leninist authoritarianism.

Again, you're resorting to strawman arguments. I never argued for the United States to adopt Stalinism or any type of totalitarianism. So your point is moot.

During the 20th century, the world stood knee deep in blood, body parts and misery filled by every manner of Stalinist / Leninist policy.

That's false, and nothing more than capitalist, Western Cold War BS propaganda. If it wasn't for the Soviet Union you and I would be speaking German or Japanese now. Half of America would be Japan and the other half Germany. Capitalist imperialism has resulted in much more bloodshed and rotting corpses than communism.

You will sidestep and deflect but while you are safely ensconced in the Great Satan, you will try to defend the 20th century legacy of your Stalinist / Leninist heroes. That legacy is one of revenge, torture, exploitation, starvation and the elevation of psychopaths as the most prolific purveyors of inflicting human misery.

The communists didn't start any of the two world wars nor any of the other major wars of the mid and late 20th century. It's capitalist imperialists with their insatiable pursuit of profits and power, that push their cronies in Washington to fight wars. In their effort to control international markets and resources, they start wars, oust leaders who refuse to serve their vested interests, with right-wing puppet dictators that they control. Western capitalist colonialism and imperialism, have created more conflict and misery than any other ideology in human history.

You don't have the moral high ground upon which to stand and point your crooked, feculent finger at communists. Spare me and everyone else your hypocritical death toll arguments and crocodile tears.

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[eagle1462010]

The rwnjs don't like America today.

Your version of it?

Damn straight we dont.

You are a walking talkibg Cluster Fuck.

 

[Hollie]

Resorting to cheap, silly rhetoric doesn't strengthen your case against socialism. Try again.



Socialism has never been about "equality of outcome", hence your assertion is baseless and without merit. Your classification of American Dems as "socialists", places you in an extremely precarious position, politically, historically, and otherwise. Your moronic labeling of government policies, which you don't like as "Stalinist/Marxist", transforms present-day Western Europe, Canada, Japan, and many other relatively successful, well-developed countries around the world as "Stalinist/Marxist".

Those "leftist" policies that you abhor, labeling them "Stalinist-Marxist" and utopian, are taken for granted and normal, in most of the modern industrialized world. Your diatribes and cheap polemics only undermine your argument against socialism (I'm being generous, because you don't have an argument, just cheap Cold War rhetoric).

Whatever occurred in the 20th century is irrelevant today, because the present socioeconomic, political, scientific and technological, context today in the 21st century is entirely different than it was 100 or 70 years ago. You also ignore the fact that developing countries that explicitly identify their economies and political system as Marxist, are quickly sanctioned and threatened with war, by the United States and its allies. So you don't have the ideological luxury to argue that socialism doesn't work or has failed when the US capitalist Empire, that controls the world's reserve currency and banks, is imposing brutal economic embargoes on socialist countries.



Again, you're resorting to strawman arguments. I never argued for the United States to adopt Stalinism or any type of totalitarianism. So your point is moot.



That's false, and nothing more than capitalist, Western Cold War BS propaganda. If it wasn't for the Soviet Union you and I would be speaking German or Japanese now. Half of America would be Japan and the other half Germany. Capitalist imperialism has resulted in much more bloodshed and rotting corpses than communism.


The communists didn't start any of the two world wars nor any of the other major wars of the mid and late 20th century. It's capitalist imperialists with their insatiable pursuit of profits and power, that push their cronies in Washington to fight wars. In their effort to control international markets and resources, they start wars, oust leaders who refuse to serve their vested interests, with right-wing puppet dictators that they control. Western capitalist colonialism and imperialism, have created more conflict and misery than any other ideology in human history.

You don't have the moral high ground upon which to stand and point your crooked, feculent finger at communists. Spare me and everyone else your hypocritical death toll arguments and crocodile tears.

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No need for your crocodile tears. Maybe see if AOC can hand you a tissue.


Amidst the pom pom flailing for your Stalinist / Leninist utopias, you can't make a single case for equality of outcome as anything but a disaster for those under the bootheel of such totalitarianism.


Stalinism / Leninism defines the societal and economic model you flail your Pom Poms for. The fact is, across the 20th century in particular, your Stalinism / Leninism model has shown what the depths of human suffering can be with the infliction of death and deprivation. Stalinists / Leninists are not be able to claim advances in learning, innovation, or technological success, but they make up for all that by droning on about philosophical and political matters.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The RWNJs, foreign and domestic, demonstrate their unfitness to govern.

 

[TruthNotBS]

No need for your crocodile tears. Maybe see if AOC can hand you a tissue.


Amidst the pom pom flailing for your Stalinist / Leninist utopias, you can't make a single case for equality of outcome as anything but a disaster for those under the bootheel of such totalitarianism.


Stalinism / Leninism defines the societal and economic model you flail your Pom Poms for. The fact is, across the 20th century in particular, your Stalinism / Leninism model has shown what the depths of human suffering can be with the infliction of death and deprivation. Stalinists / Leninists are not be able to claim advances in learning, innovation, or technological success, but they make up for all that by droning on about philosophical and political matters.

No need for your crocodile tears. Maybe see if AOC can hand you a tissue.

The crocodile tears and silly, hypocritical death toll arguments are yours, not mine. My criticism of neoliberal capitalism is socioeconomic. I hardly ever, if ever, mention death stats or war. You, however, can't do that, because you'll get your ass kicked, so you desperately resort to mud-slinging, ad-hom, character assassination and demonization, because you have nothing. No argument, just cheap, pathetic polemics.

Why did you mention AOC? Is she a "socialist"? Is that what you think? Answer the question, go ahead, dig your rhetorical ditch deeper.

Amidst the pom pom flailing for your Stalinist / Leninist utopias, you can't make a single case for equality of outcome as anything but a disaster for those under the bootheel of such totalitarianism.

You're just resorting to more strawman arguments. I never argued for "equality of outcome".

The Soviet Union had some incredible achievements, and the fact that the USSR lost the Cold War and eventually dissolved, doesn't prevent communism from being successful in the present or the future. You're committing one logical fallacy after another, with your silly, poorly reasoned assumptions.

Did capitalism replace chattetl slavery and feudalism overnight? No. It took centuries for the mercantile class to become the powerful industrialists of the 19th century, who replaced the royal aristocracy of Europe, with all of its feudal lords and monarchies. Republican, more democratic systems of government were championed by capitalists, leading to the modern world we live in. All of that took centuries, so why assert that socialism has to replace capitalism with one single swoop of its sword or in one revolution? Socialism can take centuries to replace capitalism, just as capitalism had plenty of time to develop and replace chattel slavery and feudalism.

I believe and can defend the fact that advanced automation and artificial intelligence, ensures that democratic socialism/communism is the inevitable, natural successor of capitalism. The more advanced production technology is, the more necessary socialism becomes, until we adopt a completely marketless, non-profit system of mass production a.k.a. communism. That's just the laws of physics and socioeconomic reality. You can deny it, but socialism is coming to a theater near you and it's not fictional, it's reality. The real deal.

Stalinism / Leninism defines the societal and economic model you flail your Pom Poms for.

Nope. I don't suggest America adopt "Stalinism/Leninism". I'm for an American form of socialism, that respects American values and culture, hence any type of socialism that we adopt here must be 100% democratic and allow Americans to own firearms, including combat rifles, with access to ammunition. Karl Marx said:

"You must attempt to accomplish the arming of the workers with every type of weapon and to organize them so that the revolutionary contingent attains its full strength. The workers must... be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon, and ammunition... Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."

Karl Marx made the above remark about the disarmament of the working class by its enemies, in his address to the Central Committee of the Communist League in March 1850. In this address, Marx emphasized the importance of the working class being armed and prepared to defend their class interests.

The American working class (The People), will always remain armed and capable of defending themselves against tyranny. American socialism will empower and liberate the American people from their present slavery to their capitalist-imperialist-Jew worshiping, Zionist masters.

The fact is, across the 20th century in particular, your Stalinism / Leninism model has shown what the depths of human suffering can be with the infliction of death and deprivation. Stalinists / Leninists are not be able to claim advances in learning, innovation, or technological success, but they make up for all that by droning on about philosophical and political matters.

 

[Hollie]

The crocodile tears and silly, hypocritical death toll arguments are yours, not mine. My criticism of neoliberal capitalism is socioeconomic, I hardly ever, if ever, mention death stats or war. You, however, can't do that, because you'll get your ass kicked, so you desperately resort to mud-slinging, ad-hom, character assassination and demonization, because you have nothing. No argument, just cheap, pathetic polemics.

Why did you mention AOC? Is she a "socialist"? Is that what you think? Answer the question, go ahead, dig your rhetorical ditch deeper.



You're just resorting to more strawman arguments. I never argued for "equality of outcome".

The Soviet Union had some incredible achievements, and the fact that the USSR lost the Cold War and eventually dissolved, doesn't prevent communism from being successful in the present or the future. You're committing one logical fallacy after another, with your silly, poorly reasoned assumptions.

Did capitalism replace chattetl slavery and feudalism overnight? No. It took centuries for the mercantile class to become the powerful industrialists of the 19th century, who replaced the royal aristocracy of Europe, with all of its feudal lords and monarchies. Republican, more democratic systems of government were championed by capitalists, leading to the modern world we live in. All of that took centuries, so why assert that socialism has to replace capitalism with one single swoop of its sword or in one revolution? Socialism can take centuries to replace capitalism, just as capitalism had plenty of time to develop and replace feudalism.

I believe and can defend the fact that advanced automation and artificial intelligence, ensures that democratic socialism/communism is the inevitable, natural successor of capitalism. The more advanced production technology is, the more necessary socialism becomes, until we adopt a completely marketless, non-profit system of mass production a.k.a. communism. That's just the laws of physics and socioeconomic reality. You can deny it, but socialism is coming to a theater near you and it's not fictional, it's reality. The real deal.



Nope. I don't suggest America adopt "Stalinism/Leninism". I'm for an American form of socialism, that respects American values and culture, hence any type of socialism that we adopt here must be 100% democratic and allow Americans to own firearms, including combat rifles, with access to ammunition. Karl Marx said:

"You must attempt to accomplish the arming of the workers with every type of weapon and to organize them so that the revolutionary contingent attains its full strength. The workers must... be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon, and ammunition... Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."

The American working class (The People), will always remain armed and capable of defending themselves against tyranny. American socialism will empower and liberate the American people from their present slavery to their capitalist-imperialist-Jew worshiping, Zionist masters.

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I see. You're one of the buffoonish antifa groupies who swishes around in the silly, protective hockey gear you bought at Walmart.

Emirite?

It's comical to be lectured about Socialist / Communist paradises by the very people who are safely ensconced in representative governments and thus protected from the very Socialist / Communist paradises they flail their Pom Poms for. Not surprisingly, it’s the Dems / Socialists who are safely ensconced in the Great Satan who screech the loudest about their Stalinist / Leninist paradises.

Everyone understands the all-consuming big-government, “equity” (equality of outcome), based, redistributionist agenda the Dems / Socialists are pushing.

Wearing your silly Che Guevara tee shirt while you exploit the benefits of a political system you pretend to despise is funny. It’s just more pompous bloviating from the wannabe, pretend antifa “radicals” dressed in their Walmart hockey gear mugging for the cameras.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Hitler-Stalinist-Leninist model of civilization is centered in American MAGA alt right and the European Hitler-Stalinist-Leninist center-left.

They are both destined to injure their civilizations.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I see. You're one of the buffoonish antifa groupies who swishes around in the silly, protective hockey gear you bought at Walmart.

Emirite?

It's comical to be lectured about Socialist / Communist paradises by the very people who are safely ensconced in representative governments and thus protected from the very Socialist / Communist paradises they flail their Pom Poms for. Not surprisingly, it’s the Dems / Socialists who are safely ensconced in the Great Satan who screech the loudest about their Stalinist / Leninist paradises.

Everyone understands the all-consuming big-government, “equity” (equality of outcome), based, redistributionist agenda the Dems / Socialists are pushing.

Wearing your silly Che Guevara tee shirt while you exploit the benefits of a political system you pretend to despise is funny. It’s just more pompous bloviating from the wannabe, pretend antifa “radicals” dressed in their Walmart hockey gear mugging for the cameras.

I see. You're one of the buffoonish antifa groupies who swishes around in the silly, protective hockey gear you bought at Walmart.Emirite?

No shithead, that's not me. Try again.

It's comical to be lectured about Socialist / Communist paradises by the very people who are safely ensconced in representative governments and thus protected from the very Socialist / Communist paradises they flail their Pom Poms for.

Representative government is what socialism defends, whereas capitalist groupies like you prefer plutocratic oligarchies, where the rich rule the roost and the working class are reduced to impoverished wage-slaves.

Not surprisingly, it’s the Dems / Socialists who are safely ensconced in the Great Satan who screech the loudest about their Stalinist / Leninist paradises.

How are the Dems, "socialists"? Can you finally answer that question? How are Dems "Stalinist/Leninist"?

Everyone understands the all-consuming big-government, “equity” (equality of outcome), based, redistributionist agenda the Dems / Socialists are pushing.

It's exactly what exists in Western Europe, Japan, and many other modern, industrialized nations. I guess you prefer the "big government" of privately owned corporations, that never hold elections. If I had to choose between having a capitalist dictator as my boss or a government that holds elections, allowing me to elect my managers, I would choose the government any day. Soon, as advanced automation and artificial intelligence replace wage labor, shrinking and eventually eliminating markets, socialism will become a necessity. So you might as well become a socialist now.

Wearing your silly Che Guevara tee shirt while you exploit the benefits of a political system you pretend to despise is funny. It’s just more pompous bloviating from the wannabe, pretend antifa “radicals” dressed in their Walmart hockey gear mugging for the cameras.

Socialism is more democratic than capitalism. It only becomes authoritarian when it is fighting for its survival against capitalist empires like the United States. When the US, which is the present capitalist-imperialist world hegemon, adopts socialism out of necessity, all of the strife and stress socialists have had to deal with in the past will disappear. The source of all of that danger and stress will become socialist, and won't have to deal with a capitalist empire trying to destroy it. So socialism with its democratic principles, will be easily adopted and applied by the United States, without any outside interference or attacks.

It may have to deal with right-wing retards like you, but that will be easy peasy. When your ilk resorts to terrorism, and killing socialists, they will be quickly dealt with by the authorities.

 

[Hollie]

No shithead, that's not me. Try again.




Representative governments is what socialism defends, whereas capitalist groupies like you prefer plutocratic oligarchies, where the rich rule the roost and the working class are reduced to impoverished wage-slaves.




How are the Dems, "socialists"? Can you finally answer that question? How are Dems "Stalinist/Leninist"?



It's exactly what exists in Western Europe, Japan, and many other modern, industrialized nations. I guess you prefer the "big government" of privately owned corporations, that never hold elections. If I had to choose between having a capitalist dictator as my boss or a government that holds elections, allowing me to elect my managers, I would choose the government any day. Soon, as advanced automation and artificial intelligence replace wage labor, shrinking and eventually eliminating markets, socialism will become a necessity. So you might as well become a socialist now.



Socialism is more democratic than capitalism. It only becomes authoritarian when it is fighting for its survival against capitalist empires like the United States. When the US, which is the present capitalist-imperialist world hegemon, adopts socialism out of necessity, all of the strife and stress socialists have ad to deal with in the past will disappear. The source of all of that danger and stress will become socialist, and won't have to deal with a capitalist empire trying to destroy it. So socialism with its democratic principles, will be easily adopted and applied by the United States, without any outside threats or attacks.

It may have to deal with right-wing retards like you, but that will be easy peasy. When your ilk resorts to terrorism, and killing socialists, they will be quickly dealt with by the authorities.

So you're now reduced to silly conspiracy theories.

Actually, your Stalinist / Leninist utopias have a history of mass slaughter of the folks in your Stalinist / Leninist utopias.

Strange, that.

If you knew anything of the 20th century, yuo would have learned that The Soviet population under the collectivization were not cheering on the leadership as they were starving and being led away to gulags. The killing fields of Mao were just a little…. you know… oopsies, right?

Your views of Leninism / Stalinism seems to be the milk toast brand from renowned historian and bartender; AOC. I’m afraid the angry left has this notion that authoritarian governments as modeled by the Stalinist / Leninist regimes are preferred to representative government. We see this dynamic of authoritarian states which are infected with a particular ethnic or confessional identity across the islamist Middle East. They rely upon force, religiously sanctioned violence and hate, not consent, to remain viable.

 

[my2¢]

I believe left and right wingers love the America they envision in their minds.

 

[TruthNotBS]

So you're now reduced to silly conspiracy theories.

Actually, your Stalinist / Leninist utopias have a history of mass slaughter of the folks in your Stalinist / Leninist utopias.

Strange, that.

If you knew anything of the 20th century, yuo would have learned that The Soviet population under the collectivization were not cheering on the leadership as they were starving and being led away to gulags. The killing fields of Mao were just a little…. you know… oopsies, right?

Your views of Leninism / Stalinism seems to be the milk toast brand from renowned historian and bartender; AOC. I’m afraid the angry left has this notion that authoritarian governments as modeled by the Stalinist / Leninist regimes are preferred to representative government. We see this dynamic of authoritarian states which are infected with a particular ethnic or confessional identity across the islamist Middle East. They rely upon force, religiously sanctioned violence and hate, not consent, to remain viable.

So you're now reduced to silly conspiracy theories. Actually, your Stalinist / Leninist utopias have a history of mass slaughter of the folks in your Stalinist / Leninist utopias.

You have a history on this thread of spreading anti-communist Cold War bullshit propaganda and conspiracy theories. I guess you're just preaching to the right-wing retardo-choir because genuine truth seekers know better than to accept whatever the Western capitalist-imperialist establishment tells them. They're smarter than that, but you're an idiot, so you just believe whatever the mainstream Western capitalist system tells you about socialism and its history.

Here are some former CIA agents who were operating during the Cold War against communists:

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They admit that much of the information you received in the Western media, Hollywood movies, and even at school about communism during the Cold War, was at best an exaggeration and caricature. It was in many ways bullshit. But of course, you're here to shit on communists, so you don't care about the truth.

For those who are genuine truth seekers, watch this lecture by Michael Parenti, a socialist scholar, who provides a wealth of information about the USSR and its Cold War with the US:

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Michael Parenti lecture (1986)
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If you knew anything of the 20th century, yuo would have learned that The Soviet population under the collectivization were not cheering on the leadership as they were starving and being led away to gulags.

Bullshit, that's why most Russians who lived in the USSR, including Eastern Europeans, often have a positive opinion about the USSR and their lives as Soviet citizens.

Russian elders describe their life in the USSR

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Russians don't have a very good opinion of Gorbachev or his "perestroika" and "glasnost". Lenin and especially Stalin, did better in Russian polls, than Gorbachev. More people in Russia love Stalin, or at least have a more positive opinion of him, than they do of Gorbachev, who was instrumental in the dismantling of the USSR. He was essentially an agent of the Western capitalist elites.

The less communist that the USSR became in its effort to become buddies with the United States and stop the Cold War, the worse the Soviet economy became. The further away from Stalin's strict communism that the USSR went, the weaker it became, until it collapsed in 1991.

All of the above is irrelevant to whether socialism is relevant, necessary and effective today. You're comparing apples and beach chairs. One has nothing to do with the other. Socialism here in the USA in the 21st century, is a completely different topic from socialism in the 20th century in another country, under completely different circumstances. You're just too stupid to realize this, so you continue with your dumb Cold War rhetoric.

The killing fields of Mao were just a little…. you know… oopsies, right?

How about the "killing fields" of WWI & WWII, two world wars started by capitalist-run nations, not communists? How about the killing fields of capitalist colonialism, throughout the world, responsible for countless deaths?
How about Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Ukraine, all killing fields supported by capitalist imperialists, making a buck? How about capitalists supporting the deadly economic sanctions that killed over half a million children in Iraq between 1991 and 2003? Madeleine Albright admitted to that death toll stat and said that all of those innocent deaths were worth it:

Madeleine Albright justifies the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children as "worth it"

Visit: http://www.policestateusa.com/U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright justified the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children. These deaths were the result...

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What gave the capitalist-led USA the right to do all of the above?

Vietnam was another crime, against humanity. It was a colony of capitalist-run France, and after liberating itself from France the Americans invaded it to prevent it from adopting communism. That war cost the lives of four million Vietnamese. Who gave capitalist America the right to do that to another country, thousands of miles away? You feel you have the right to do all of the above and communists will respond accordingly in self-defense. Boohoo, we don't care how you feel about that.

War is violent, and when capitalists invade communist countries or interfere with a people's right to adopt communism, communists will respond. Cry me a river.

Your views of Leninism / Stalinism seems to be the milk toast brand from renowned historian and bartender; AOC.

AOC is a communist? How so? Finally answer the question and stop evading it. How is AOC a "communist"? Be specific, as far as which policies does she support that are "commie". Go ahead.

I’m afraid the angry left has this notion that authoritarian governments as modeled by the Stalinist / Leninist regimes are preferred to representative government. We see this dynamic of authoritarian states which are infected with a particular ethnic or confessional identity across the islamist Middle East. They rely upon force, religiously sanctioned violence and hate, not consent, to remain viable.

Your beloved Trump supports those Islamic dictatorships:

Donald Trump boasts about arms sales to Saudi's crown prince

As lawmakers in the US Senate seek an end to US support for the Saudi bombing campaign in Yemen, Trump is on a mission, eyeing Saudi wealth and selling more ...

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Trump signs arms deal with Saudi Arabia

President Trump signed a $110 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia at a ceremony in Riyadh.

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[Hollie]

You have a history on this thread of spreading Cold War bullshit propaganda and conspiracy theories. I guess you're just preaching to the right-wing retardo-choir because genuine truth seekers know better than to accept whatever the Western capitalist-imperialist establishment tells them. They're smarter than that, but you're an idiot, so you just believe whatever the mainstream Western capitalist system tells you about socialism and its history.
Here are some former CIA agents who were operating during the Cold War against communists:

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They admit that much of the information you received in the Western media, Hollywood movies, and even at school about communism during the Cold War, was at best an exaggeration and caricature. It was in many ways bullshit. But of course, you're here to shit on communists, so you don't care about the truth.

For those who are genuine truth seekers, watch this lecture by Michael Parenti, a socialist scholar, who provides a wealth of information about the USSR and its Cold War with the US:

Michael Parenti lecture (1986)​

Bullshit, that's why most Russians who lived in the USSR, including Eastern Europeans, often have a positive opinion about the USSR and their lives as Soviet citizens.

Russian elders describe their life in the USSR

Muscovites React To The Passing Of Mikhail Gorbachev: 'He Did A Lot Of Damaging Things'

Three Muscovites could find little positive to say about former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, who has died aged 91.» Subscribe to NBC News: http://nbcnews...

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Does Socialism Work? Soviet Citizens Speak About Their Lives in the USSR (Moscow)

Has a boomer ever told you that everyone who ever lived under socialism hated it and was trying to escape? Have you ever met a defector who has nothing but t...

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Russians don't have a very good opinion of Gorbachev or his "perestroika" and "glasnost". Lenin and especially Stalin, did better in Russian polls, than Gorbachev. More people in Russia love Stalin, or at least have a more positive opinion of him, than they do of Gorbachev, who was instrumental in the dismantling of the USSR. He was essentially an agent of the Western capitalist elites.

The less communist that the USSR became in its effort to become buddies with the United States and stop the Cold War, the worse the Soviet economy became. The further away from Stalin's strict communism that the USSR went, the weaker it became, until it collapsed in 1991.

All of the above is irrelevant to whether socialism is relevant, necessary and effective today. You're comparing apples and beach chairs. One has nothing to do with the other. Socialism here in the USA in the 21st century, is a completely different topic from socialism in the 20th century in another country, under completely different circumstances. You're just too stupid to realize this, so you continue with your dumb Cold War rhetoric.



How about the "killing fields" of WWI & WWII, two world wars started by capitalist-run nations, not communists? How about the killing fields of capitalist colonialism, throughout the world, responsible for countless deaths?
How about Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Ukraine, all killing fields supported by capitalist imperialists, making a buck? How about capitalists supporting the deadly economic sanctions that killed over half a million children in Iraq between 1991 and 2003? Madeleine Albright admitted to that death toll and said that all of those innocent deaths were worth it:

Madeleine Albright justifies the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children as "worth it"

Visit: http://www.policestateusa.com/U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright justified the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children. These deaths were the result...

www.youtube.com

​

What gave the capitalist-led USA the right to do all of the above? Vietnam was another crime, against humanity. It was a colony of capitalist-run France, and after liberating itself from France the Americans invaded it to prevent it from adopting communism. That war cost the lives of four million Vietnamese. Who gave capitalist America the right to do that to another country, thousands of miles away? You feel you have the right to do all of the above and communists will respond accordingly in self-defense.



AOC is a communist? How so? Finally answer the question and stop evading it. How is AOC a "communist"? Be specific, as far as which policies does she support that are "commie". Go ahead.




Your beloved Trump supports those Islamic dictatorships:

Donald Trump boasts about arms sales to Saudi's crown prince

As lawmakers in the US Senate seek an end to US support for the Saudi bombing campaign in Yemen, Trump is on a mission, eyeing Saudi wealth and selling more ...

www.youtube.com

Trump signs arms deal with Saudi Arabia

President Trump signed a $110 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia at a ceremony in Riyadh.

www.youtube.com

Why are you thinking anyone is going to slog through your collection of silly youtube videos?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Why are you thinking anyone is going to slog through your collection of silly youtube videos?

Just because an idiot like you won't means nothing and has no bearing on whether others will. There are plenty of people on this forum who read my posts, so you're full of shit.

 

[Sparker]

I don't particularly love or hate anything. I like my location enough that I'm unlikely to move for a while. This is a swing state, so there are red and blue follies at various times.

 

[Libby von H]

You're an old delusional, bitter senile hag, unable to formulate a coherent argument.

Folks,that was the model coherent argument offered by our favorite racist.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Folks,that was the model coherent argument offered by our favorite racist.

If you fire at me, resorting to ad homs, and insults, I will fire back. I'm not a doormat. If you're civil with me, showing me some common courtesy, then I will afford you the same courtesy. If you can't do that and want to get nasty, let's get nasty. I'm ready to throw rhetorical fists at you, no problem.

You labeling me a racist, doesn't strengthen or prove your case, so stop deluding yourself by thinking otherwise. Present your case as to how what I wrote in those previous posts is incorrect. Go ahead.

 

[TNHarley]

Im one of the farthest to the right people on here and I absolutely this country. I love our constitution.
I hate our govt, what our citizens vote for, and what we have let the govt get away with.