If we ever let liberals disarm us, we will lose the last bits of freedom we have left...

[Dragonlady]

...it's not about self-defense against criminals (though that's important), or hunting (though that's important too) the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from liberal elites who are conspiring to destroy our freedoms. Look at what they've accomplished on university campuses, where First Amendment no longer exists, and a man accused of rape is denied due process. Look at what they're doing with Google, Facebook and Twitter, censoring speech and banning conservatives from speaking. Look at the California one-party state, secured with illegal votes of illegal aliens. This is the liberal elite's goal for all of us, a total loss of the freedom to speak and vote.

Are you aware that the USA ranks well down the list of first world countries who are strong on personal freedoms.

Human Freedom Index

The jurisdictions that took the top 10 places, in order, were New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark (tied in 6th place), Ireland and the United Kingdom (tied in 8th place), and Finland, Norway, and Taiwan (tied in 10th place). Selected countries rank as follows: Germany (13), the United States and Sweden (17), Republic of Korea (27), Japan (31), France and Chile (32), Italy (34), South Africa (63), Mexico (75), Kenya (82), Indonesia (85), Argentina and Turkey (tied in 107th place), India and Malaysia (tied in 110th place), United Arab Emirates (117), Russia (119), Nigeria (132), China (135), Pakistan (140), Zimbabwe (143), Saudi Arabia (146), Iran (153), Egypt (156), Iraq (159), Venezuela (161), and Syria (162).

Out of 10 regions, the highest levels of freedom are in North America (Canada and the United States), Western Europe, and Oceania. The lowest levels are in the Middle East and North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, and South Asia. Women-specific freedoms, as measured by seven indicators in the index, are strongest in North America, Western Europe, and Eastern Europe and are least protected in the Middle East and North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, and South Asia.

As for voting, it is the Republicans who are stripping Americans of the right to vote, restricting access to polling places in poor neighbourhoods, and generally doing everything possible to suppress the poor and minority vote.

Americans talk about being the "Home of the brave, and the land of the free", but in reality I have far more freedoms than you do, even though gun rights are restricted as are hate speech. Imagine that. You have fewer freedoms than all of the places you refer to as "socialist shitholes".

 

[RealDave]

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights.

Are you claiming here the US is the only country that has checks on government powers???? Don't look now but quite a few countries have those things called elections that function as a check. Quite a few countries have even more stringent separation of powers. And liberty as you call it seems just as broad,or limited if you want, as in most Democracies. So what exactly are you talking about?

The United States was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. You would be hard pressed to show me a country out there whose founding documents include an acknowledgment of unalienable Rights.

Democracies are all about majority rule. Under our Constitution (as originally written and intended) the majority can pound sand. Our Bill of Rights limited government and guaranteed those unalienable Rights.

We are both a republic & a democracy.

That is like saying we are a virgin whore.

A primary difference between a Republic and a Democracy is that, in a Republic unalienable Rights are above the reach of government. See this for the differences between a Republic and a Democracy:

REPUBLIC VS. DEMOCRACY, U.S.ARMY ANALYSIS

We are both.

 

[forkup]

Ah, the bully brigade shows up. What's the matter, your grand wizard can't win so he calls in reinforcements? If you haven't noticed, I don't bully so easy. Yes, it's a flaw. One that many Warriors have and we are proud we have it. Here is a statement you will never understand. Bring it, baby because I wrote off my Ass decades ago.

I'm not part of any "Bully Brigade." Don't get your boxers in a bunch.

I know that an AR 15 is a semi-automatic rifle and that combat vets call the CAR 15 an M4gery. There is a very important distinction.

The AR 15 / CAR 15 / M4gery class of weapons are semi automatic. Calling them assault rifles is as accurate as calling a Mustang with a six cylinder in it a police Interceptor simply because of outward appearances. The M16 is an assault rifle because it is capable of fully automatic fire with the flip of a selector switch. The AR 15 does not have such a capability UNLESS you have access to a machine shop... then if you had such access, you could build any kind of firearm.

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights.

Are you claiming here the US is the only country that has checks on government powers???? Don't look now but quite a few countries have those things called elections that function as a check. Quite a few countries have even more stringent separation of powers. And liberty as you call it seems just as broad,or limited if you want, as in most Democracies. So what exactly are you talking about?

The United States was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. You would be hard pressed to show me a country out there whose founding documents include an acknowledgment of unalienable Rights.

Democracies are all about majority rule. Under our Constitution (as originally written and intended) the majority can pound sand. Our Bill of Rights limited government and guaranteed those unalienable Rights.

Not really.
-https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/France_2008.pdf?lang=en
Constitution of Belgium - Wikipedia
Human rights in the Netherlands
And on and on. If you would say it was the first constitution to do so, you would have a point but the only one..... not by a longshot.
-As for the rest. Limited government? What do you mean by that? Every government imposes limits, they call it laws. What do you think is exceptionally limiting to the government in the US constitution , compared to other ones?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If the M-16 and M-4 are both Assault Rifles so is the AR-15. You can't change that with your magic wand. The Original AR-15 Model 601 was the original US Assault Rifle second only to the original AK-47. You AR Cult Members have been twisting your pretzels for so long I don't know if you believe yourselves or not. When you are faced with reality, you just hold your hands to your ears and start screaming, "LALALALALALA". I guess you want to break out the trusty jeep mounted Mah Deuce because there is a whole herd of Deer that would be tasty.

And your question stands by itself, bigot.

Still twisting yourself to call the AR-15 and assault rifle, huh? FYI, I have four of them. Next question is what the **** are you going to do about it? Whine and cry.

I noticed you don't have the guts to answer it or provide a link to anything you claim I said. That's what a ******* ***** left wing coward does. Runs when he's expected to back up his claims. Did the question trigger you, BOY?

When I was a kid there used to be an advertisement in Mechanics Illustrated where you could buy a Mercedes Benz kit to put over a Volkswagen and make the VW look like a miniature Mercedes.

Do you think if Daryl saw one of those, he'd bet you $100 it was a Mercedes?

He's posted things pretending to be a tough guy and saying "we" when it comes to taking guns. I doubt he's man enough to be involved in the effort.

What's the matter, does a little humor scare you that much? Does it make you want to hide under your bed first thing in the morning? Hide your crayons and coloring books, we are coming for those as well.

What's the matter, when you Rambo posturing is called out for what it is you revert to the typical left wing excuses? No one's hiding except you, boy, and it's behind your computer making demands you and both know you never could back up. Get back to playing GI Joe.

I guess you are jealous that I have a GI Joe. You dressing up your barbie in Cammos just isn't the same is it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Still twisting yourself to call the AR-15 and assault rifle, huh? FYI, I have four of them. Next question is what the **** are you going to do about it? Whine and cry.

I noticed you don't have the guts to answer it or provide a link to anything you claim I said. That's what a ******* ***** left wing coward does. Runs when he's expected to back up his claims. Did the question trigger you, BOY?

When I was a kid there used to be an advertisement in Mechanics Illustrated where you could buy a Mercedes Benz kit to put over a Volkswagen and make the VW look like a miniature Mercedes.

Do you think if Daryl saw one of those, he'd bet you $100 it was a Mercedes?

Ah, the bully brigade shows up. What's the matter, your grand wizard can't win so he calls in reinforcements? If you haven't noticed, I don't bully so easy. Yes, it's a flaw. One that many Warriors have and we are proud we have it. Here is a statement you will never understand. Bring it, baby because I wrote off my Ass decades ago.

Internet tough guys don't scare me, coward. I already won and chalked it up in the win column. However, if you feel like such a man from behind your computer, keep pretending if it make you feel better.

Yah, standard Strumpite method of winning. Declare a victory, run away and then go into a whole series of, "I won, I won and You Lost" over and over.

No one is running but you, coward. Remember your tough guy talk then claiming it was a joke?

We are coming for your pink four four. I doubt you would fit in a tutu. And have those crayons handy, you are going to need to reload after this.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I wish the liberal elite would do something about Good Morning America…it’s infringing on my right to not be annoyed.

Change the channel.

Sometimes I watch Pauxsnews just to get annoyed. It's like watching a football game where the refs are calling the fouls against your home team. It's good for the soul. Too bad the other side doesn't spend time on MSNBC or CNN for the same reason. Maybe when we come get their guns and send them to the interment camps their sentence will be that they have to watch MSNBC and CNN 24 hours a day. Now, that's justice.

We? You'll be tucked away behind your computer running your mouth about something for which you have zero knowledge.

Got more time breaking down a M-16 than you have on the chowline. You seem to think you Sillyvillians are the experts. Guess again. Most of us have turned down positions on Police Forces for various reasons. But one thing we know is, the AR-15 is as deadly as the M-16 and M-4 and are handled exactly the same way since they are, essentially, the same weapon. Go enlist and do a couple or three tours and earn that experience. Until then, you are just a freeloader with a bunch of toys.

They are not the same weapon. Someone that claims what you've claimed to have done would know that.

Prove, with verifiable evidence, you've done what you say or get back to playing soldier to try and impress your sister/girlfriend.

Just go to Military.com, login and search for me. You'll find me listed there. Oh, that's right, only the real deal can do that search, fakeboy.

 

[forkup]

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights.

Are you claiming here the US is the only country that has checks on government powers???? Don't look now but quite a few countries have those things called elections that function as a check. Quite a few countries have even more stringent separation of powers. And liberty as you call it seems just as broad,or limited if you want, as in most Democracies. So what exactly are you talking about?

The United States was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. You would be hard pressed to show me a country out there whose founding documents include an acknowledgment of unalienable Rights.

Democracies are all about majority rule. Under our Constitution (as originally written and intended) the majority can pound sand. Our Bill of Rights limited government and guaranteed those unalienable Rights.

We are both a republic & a democracy.

That is like saying we are a virgin whore.

A primary difference between a Republic and a Democracy is that, in a Republic unalienable Rights are above the reach of government. See this for the differences between a Republic and a Democracy:

REPUBLIC VS. DEMOCRACY, U.S.ARMY ANALYSIS

Load of crock. In most, if not all democracies the judicial branch pushes back on the government if they rule they are violating the constitution. In a lot of those countries that is even done more vigorously then in the US because unlike in the US the judicial branch has no clear party affiliation. Oh and the report was written in 1928 and you are using it to prove your point? Seems a bit ridiculous.

 

[bodecea]

I’m going to a gun show today. I wonder why I’d do that?

And I’m not talking about meeting G.T. at the gym.

Perhaps you should take Daryl Hunt form the forum with you so he can educate himself on guns.

I’m sure he’s got the education he needs.

Not based on what he claims.

He also like make claims about what others said and when asked to provide a link to the quote he said was made, runs like the typical left wing *****.

Sounds like you two might need marriage counseling.

Sounds like you're the same type ***** as he is.

^ trying.....too....hard.....and.....it....shows.....

 

[irosie91]

Ah, the bully brigade shows up. What's the matter, your grand wizard can't win so he calls in reinforcements? If you haven't noticed, I don't bully so easy. Yes, it's a flaw. One that many Warriors have and we are proud we have it. Here is a statement you will never understand. Bring it, baby because I wrote off my Ass decades ago.

I'm not part of any "Bully Brigade." Don't get your boxers in a bunch.

I know that an AR 15 is a semi-automatic rifle and that combat vets call the CAR 15 an M4gery. There is a very important distinction.

The AR 15 / CAR 15 / M4gery class of weapons are semi automatic. Calling them assault rifles is as accurate as calling a Mustang with a six cylinder in it a police Interceptor simply because of outward appearances. The M16 is an assault rifle because it is capable of fully automatic fire with the flip of a selector switch. The AR 15 does not have such a capability UNLESS you have access to a machine shop... then if you had such access, you could build any kind of firearm.

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

Personal attack is when someone says something that isn't a fact. Fact: You never served. Your writing told me this as it did every other Retired Military Person in here. You also have shown that you have never really spent any time in the clutches with a M-16 or a M-4 and really don't have any experience to draw any accurate conclusions. Most in here are in the same boat. Most of the ones that claim to have "Served" are REMFs who never spent any real time at the range and never entered combat. 2, 3 and 4 years and a tour behind a desk doesn't make you an expert. I used a phrase that only a combat vet understands. I wrote my ass off decades ago. That's another thing you aren't capable of understanding. So you take umbridge with me stating a fact, so be it. Here it is again, you never served. Too bad. Actually, if everyone served there wouldn't be anyone to fight for.

Your 500 buck bargain basement AR-15 is what I would call junk. Why not spend another 400 to 500 more and get a LE6920 like the Swats use and get a real live Milspec AR-15 that uses all the same parts of the M-16 except for about 3 parts. I don't care what the box says, I would be very careful about firing a lot of .556 Nato Rounds through the bargain basement AR without changing a few parts to milspec parts. The problem you will have then is, your accuracy with the 223 ammo will suffer. But the rifle will be super accurate at longer ranges firing the .556 Nato rounds. The problem is, after you make those chances, you reach the total cost of the LE6920 so why bother. Just buy the LE6920 in the first place. They also make a CAR version of the LE6920 for those of you that want the shorter M-4 versions.

And you say that it takes 20k to buy a real M-16? Not even close. You can buy a full blown one for right around 3000. How about a real piece of history. You can buy an AR-15 Model 601 (M-16) that is full auto for right around 3000 bucks. It's well maintained, fully functional and only 14K of them were ever made from 1964 to 1968 a year before the AR-15-Model 601 or M-16A-1. The only two differences is on the side, the stamp says AR-15 Model 601 (M-16) where the M-16 was stamped on later and the charging handle is a triangle instead of a bar. That's the daddy to the AR-15, M-16 and the M-4. It was retired from the Air Force in 1992 and there are still a few floating around. Most of us old timers in the Air Force spent a lot of time with what we thought were M-16s when in reality it was the AR-15 Model 601. Even today, the newly purchased M-16 is manufactured by colt under the factory number of AR-15 Model 604. The Rifle is stamped with M-16 when it is shipped to the various Militaries who are their only customers for that particular model.

Here it's been decades since you bunch has gone off on a rabid campaign about how we are trying to take all your guns. It's been decades and it's still hasn't happened. Nothing you have done or said has made on whit of a difference on way or another. If anything, your actions has made things a more dangerous place. Luckily, common sense people have started implementing common sense gun regulations that con't take the guns, do not go against the 2nd amendment and have stopped at least one or two really bad murders. If it saves even one life, it's worth it. I like the gun regs in Colorado. They are common sense and more and more States are going in that direction. I can still buy a gun in about 15 minutes with proper ID. I can still buy a reasonable amount of ammo. I can still transport it. I can still get a CCW, No one comes into my home and demands to inspect my guns, etc.. And our violent gun crime rate has skyrocketed down in the process as well as the mass shootings have completely stopped. Every once in awhile, some idiot will try and get into position for a school shooting but they are stopped every time. Not so in the past before the law changes and the public education. Since the NRA, who was suppose to the champion of the Training of Gun Safety, was run off, we are not doing it ourselves much better. All the NRA wanted to do is to stop us from having our common sense gun regs and training be damned. The NRA cost us a few million in 2013 along with 3 special elections, loss of Education Funds, Bridge and Road Funds, etc. and in the end, nothing changed in the courts. Even the one hand picked State House member they got in by special election lost the next time around and was replaced by the very person that lost during the special election. We wont' stop all of the killings but if we stop even one it's all worth it because how much is a life worth?

I think it is despicable that you would be so low as to challenge someone's service to their country. Tell you what big boy: Meet me somewhere in public close to where I live. If I fail to produce my DD214, Honorable Discharge certificate and pictures of me in the military, I will donate $1000 to your favorite charity. If you're wrong, you leave this board permanently. Do you accept the challenge?

For those of you with minimal reading skills, I said you could build an AR 15 for under $500. I never said I had one. My last AR featured a 1 x 8 Melonite barrel from Faxon with a nickel boron BCG from WMD, and a BCM charging handle. The balance of it was SPIKES and Magpul except flip up Troy sights. Topped off with a Nikon scope, it was pretty decent as a self defense rifle. It still was not an M16.

Currently about 70,000 people die from drug overdoses each year, but Americans are wanting to legalize drugs. TWICE as many people die from drug overdoses compared to firearm deaths in the U.S. each year. It makes little sense to me that drug deaths are more palatable than firearm related deaths.

We could do more and should do more to prevent firearm deaths WITHOUT instituting gun control. The problem is, the left controls both sides of the discussion in public and they cannot and / or will not tell you that a LOT of lives lost due to firearms could be saved WITHOUT gun control.

I am not an advocate of "legalization of drugs" <<< not even marijuana----
HOWEVER there are arguments that "LEGAL DRUGS could be controlled
far more efficiently than are ---"getting them on the streets"----as far as quality
and concentrations and contamination etc The control could reduce the amount of drug death

 

[Porter Rockwell]

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights.

Are you claiming here the US is the only country that has checks on government powers???? Don't look now but quite a few countries have those things called elections that function as a check. Quite a few countries have even more stringent separation of powers. And liberty as you call it seems just as broad,or limited if you want, as in most Democracies. So what exactly are you talking about?

The United States was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. You would be hard pressed to show me a country out there whose founding documents include an acknowledgment of unalienable Rights.

Democracies are all about majority rule. Under our Constitution (as originally written and intended) the majority can pound sand. Our Bill of Rights limited government and guaranteed those unalienable Rights.

We are both a republic & a democracy.

That is like saying we are a virgin whore.

A primary difference between a Republic and a Democracy is that, in a Republic unalienable Rights are above the reach of government. See this for the differences between a Republic and a Democracy:

REPUBLIC VS. DEMOCRACY, U.S.ARMY ANALYSIS

We are both.

There are at least two separate and distinct governments operating in the United States at present:

The Constitution is still used to a minor degree; it is the de jure / lawful / legal / constitutional Republic HOWEVER

The illegal / de facto / unconstitutional government we have today is a Federal - Legislative Democracy owned and controlled by a few elite multinational corporations.

Therein lies the problem. You cannot be both. Either you have inherent, natural, God given, absolute, irrevocable, unalienable Rights OR you have the power of mob rule that decides what privileges they will dole out to you and on what basis. A couple of examples come to mind. In Georgia, the first time the state supreme court interpreted the meaning of the Second Amendment they ruled:

"The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, reestablished by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Charta! Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243 (1846)

A few years later, Texas agreed and went further:

The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of
himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it
from the State government. It is one of the "high powers"
delegated directly to the citizen, and 'is excepted out of
the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to
infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and
independent of the lawmaking power. Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)]

BTW, the first time the SCOTUS ruled on the same issue, they UPHELD the precedent set by states like Georgia and Texas.

The second point applies to ALL of your unalienable Rights such as this court ruling:

Men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,-'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;' and to 'secure,' not grant or create, these rights, governments are instituted. That property which a man has honestly acquired he retains full control of, subject to these limitations: First, that he shall not use it to his neighbor's injury, and that does not mean that he must use it for his neighbor's benefit; second, that if the devotes it to a public use, he gives to the public a right to control that use; and third, that whenever the public needs require, the public may take it upon payment of due compensation. BUDD v. PEOPLE OF STATE OF NEW YORK, 143 U.S. 517 (1892)

You can not surrender, sell or transfer unalienable rights, they are a gift from the Creator to the individual and can not under any circumstances be surrendered or taken. All individuals have unalienable rights. Democracies do not recognize, enforce, acknowledge, or in any way, shape, fashion or form any unalienable Right. We cannot be both.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Did you write that crap yourself, or are you on a subscription service?

No genius, those are your thoughts he posted.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I'm not part of any "Bully Brigade." Don't get your boxers in a bunch.

I know that an AR 15 is a semi-automatic rifle and that combat vets call the CAR 15 an M4gery. There is a very important distinction.

The AR 15 / CAR 15 / M4gery class of weapons are semi automatic. Calling them assault rifles is as accurate as calling a Mustang with a six cylinder in it a police Interceptor simply because of outward appearances. The M16 is an assault rifle because it is capable of fully automatic fire with the flip of a selector switch. The AR 15 does not have such a capability UNLESS you have access to a machine shop... then if you had such access, you could build any kind of firearm.

Shows that you have never served. Or that you have zero range of combat time with either a M-16 or a M-4. Here is M-16 101 for dummies. The original AR-15 Model 601 and the M-16A-1 were both semi and full auto. But when the Army accepted the M-16A-3 and the M-4 (they upgraded the older models) they removed the full auto and replaced them with the 3 shot burst which is just not used for anything. The first round is on target but round 2 and 3 are off target. The old A-1 was a spray and pray weapon that was used to waste a lot of ammo by novices in battle. They ran out of ammo quickly. In a firefight, you run out of ammo and not only do you die but so do your buddies. The seasoned pro never set his to full auto or 3 shot burst. Do you understand, Babyson?

It doesn't matter if you have the capability or not if you never use it in combat. single shot single pull is what is used and it doesn't matter if it's an AR-15, M-16, M-4, or any other assault rifle, it all works the same. Single shot, single pull. You ain't firing a M-60, M-249, or M-240. You want to know what those 3 are, look them up. As guncrazy as you are, it should make you cream your drawers.

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

Personal attack is when someone says something that isn't a fact. Fact: You never served. Your writing told me this as it did every other Retired Military Person in here. You also have shown that you have never really spent any time in the clutches with a M-16 or a M-4 and really don't have any experience to draw any accurate conclusions. Most in here are in the same boat. Most of the ones that claim to have "Served" are REMFs who never spent any real time at the range and never entered combat. 2, 3 and 4 years and a tour behind a desk doesn't make you an expert. I used a phrase that only a combat vet understands. I wrote my ass off decades ago. That's another thing you aren't capable of understanding. So you take umbridge with me stating a fact, so be it. Here it is again, you never served. Too bad. Actually, if everyone served there wouldn't be anyone to fight for.

Your 500 buck bargain basement AR-15 is what I would call junk. Why not spend another 400 to 500 more and get a LE6920 like the Swats use and get a real live Milspec AR-15 that uses all the same parts of the M-16 except for about 3 parts. I don't care what the box says, I would be very careful about firing a lot of .556 Nato Rounds through the bargain basement AR without changing a few parts to milspec parts. The problem you will have then is, your accuracy with the 223 ammo will suffer. But the rifle will be super accurate at longer ranges firing the .556 Nato rounds. The problem is, after you make those chances, you reach the total cost of the LE6920 so why bother. Just buy the LE6920 in the first place. They also make a CAR version of the LE6920 for those of you that want the shorter M-4 versions.

And you say that it takes 20k to buy a real M-16? Not even close. You can buy a full blown one for right around 3000. How about a real piece of history. You can buy an AR-15 Model 601 (M-16) that is full auto for right around 3000 bucks. It's well maintained, fully functional and only 14K of them were ever made from 1964 to 1968 a year before the AR-15-Model 601 or M-16A-1. The only two differences is on the side, the stamp says AR-15 Model 601 (M-16) where the M-16 was stamped on later and the charging handle is a triangle instead of a bar. That's the daddy to the AR-15, M-16 and the M-4. It was retired from the Air Force in 1992 and there are still a few floating around. Most of us old timers in the Air Force spent a lot of time with what we thought were M-16s when in reality it was the AR-15 Model 601. Even today, the newly purchased M-16 is manufactured by colt under the factory number of AR-15 Model 604. The Rifle is stamped with M-16 when it is shipped to the various Militaries who are their only customers for that particular model.

Here it's been decades since you bunch has gone off on a rabid campaign about how we are trying to take all your guns. It's been decades and it's still hasn't happened. Nothing you have done or said has made on whit of a difference on way or another. If anything, your actions has made things a more dangerous place. Luckily, common sense people have started implementing common sense gun regulations that con't take the guns, do not go against the 2nd amendment and have stopped at least one or two really bad murders. If it saves even one life, it's worth it. I like the gun regs in Colorado. They are common sense and more and more States are going in that direction. I can still buy a gun in about 15 minutes with proper ID. I can still buy a reasonable amount of ammo. I can still transport it. I can still get a CCW, No one comes into my home and demands to inspect my guns, etc.. And our violent gun crime rate has skyrocketed down in the process as well as the mass shootings have completely stopped. Every once in awhile, some idiot will try and get into position for a school shooting but they are stopped every time. Not so in the past before the law changes and the public education. Since the NRA, who was suppose to the champion of the Training of Gun Safety, was run off, we are not doing it ourselves much better. All the NRA wanted to do is to stop us from having our common sense gun regs and training be damned. The NRA cost us a few million in 2013 along with 3 special elections, loss of Education Funds, Bridge and Road Funds, etc. and in the end, nothing changed in the courts. Even the one hand picked State House member they got in by special election lost the next time around and was replaced by the very person that lost during the special election. We wont' stop all of the killings but if we stop even one it's all worth it because how much is a life worth?

I think it is despicable that you would be so low as to challenge someone's service to their country. Tell you what big boy: Meet me somewhere in public close to where I live. If I fail to produce my DD214, Honorable Discharge certificate and pictures of me in the military, I will donate $1000 to your favorite charity. If you're wrong, you leave this board permanently. Do you accept the challenge?

For those of you with minimal reading skills, I said you could build an AR 15 for under $500. I never said I had one. My last AR featured a 1 x 8 Melonite barrel from Faxon with a nickel boron BCG from WMD, and a BCM charging handle. The balance of it was SPIKES and Magpul except flip up Troy sights. Topped off with a Nikon scope, it was pretty decent as a self defense rifle. It still was not an M16.

Currently about 70,000 people die from drug overdoses each year, but Americans are wanting to legalize drugs. TWICE as many people die from drug overdoses compared to firearm deaths in the U.S. each year. It makes little sense to me that drug deaths are more palatable than firearm related deaths.

We could do more and should do more to prevent firearm deaths WITHOUT instituting gun control. The problem is, the left controls both sides of the discussion in public and they cannot and / or will not tell you that a LOT of lives lost due to firearms could be saved WITHOUT gun control.

I am not an advocate of "legalization of drugs" <<< not even marijuana----
HOWEVER there are arguments that "LEGAL DRUGS could be controlled
far more efficiently than are ---"getting them on the streets"----as far as quality
and concentrations and contamination etc The control could reduce the amount of drug death

There is one man who is a freaking liberal and he's smarter than any other liberal out there. Believe it or not, it is Dr. Phil.

Dr. Phil pleads with the people he counsels to NEVER get the government involved in your petty squabbles, but rather get help from those trained to do so. In addition, Dr. Phil does not BEGIN treatment with drugs. He requires counseling and therapies BEFORE drugs are prescribed.

If America would only do that, it would save countless lives. I'll do my rant some day on how America creates killers at a young age and refuses to stop the practice, knowing it would save lives.

 

[jasonnfree]

If we ever let liberals disarm us

...we'll just beat them to a pulp with our fists.

You mean beat them to a pulp with your little fists if you're anything like great leader trump.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

That first sentence was a personal attack. If you are a man of your word, you won't allow that to happen again.

FWIW, I have fired, built, and at one time or another owned virtually every variation of the AR 15 you can name. I was taught how to work on and build the M1a / M14 / Garand family of rifles by Hook Boutin. You can Google him. I have the first M1a he taught me how to build and high power aficionados will confirm that is a Hook Boutin build. In addition, I once spent three months building and shooting AR uppers with everything from 1 x 7 to 1 x 12 barrels (phosphate, chrome bore, stainless, and Nitride / Melonite and a couple cryogenically treated barrels -416, 4140, 4150, etc. ) just to do nothing more than draw my own conclusions about them. Shot the M 249, M60, and Browning 1919 A1 as well.

Having said that, you can build an AR now for under $500. It's hard to find an M16 for under $20,000. Most of you know there has to be something different between two products with that big a price difference even if you've never seen either. Now, to launch into my rant:

Our forefathers fought, bled and died to create the greatest nation in the annals of history. They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights. Of this, Patrick Henry wrote:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

The reality is, with each passing generation we lose some of our Liberties AND the Right to keep and bear Arms gets nibbled at a little more in incremental amounts. When a major party can run a socialist for president and that socialist almost walk away with the nomination, it becomes time to reevaluate where we are as a nation. It's not like gun control is not becoming a reality - it IS happening.

So effective have the socialists become that, in my lifetime, EVERY NRA endorsed president turned out to be anti-gun (I've been voting since Reagan first ran for president.) Finding politicians that understand the Constitution is as rare as finding gold nuggets in a septic tank. So, it is places like this and around your kitchen table with friends and neighbors that we've been relegated to in order to advocate for Freedom and Liberty. I'm up to the fight.

They established a nation, conceived in Liberty, and we are the only country on the planet that has a Bill of Rights limiting the government, insuring your unalienable Rights.

Are you claiming here the US is the only country that has checks on government powers???? Don't look now but quite a few countries have those things called elections that function as a check. Quite a few countries have even more stringent separation of powers. And liberty as you call it seems just as broad,or limited if you want, as in most Democracies. So what exactly are you talking about?

The United States was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. You would be hard pressed to show me a country out there whose founding documents include an acknowledgment of unalienable Rights.

Democracies are all about majority rule. Under our Constitution (as originally written and intended) the majority can pound sand. Our Bill of Rights limited government and guaranteed those unalienable Rights.

We are both a republic & a democracy.

That is like saying we are a virgin whore.

A primary difference between a Republic and a Democracy is that, in a Republic unalienable Rights are above the reach of government. See this for the differences between a Republic and a Democracy:

REPUBLIC VS. DEMOCRACY, U.S.ARMY ANALYSIS

Load of crock. In most, if not all democracies the judicial branch pushes back on the government if they rule they are violating the constitution. In a lot of those countries that is even done more vigorously then in the US because unlike in the US the judicial branch has no clear party affiliation. Oh and the report was written in 1928 and you are using it to prove your point? Seems a bit ridiculous.

Are you claiming that the words democracy and republic have changed since 1928? Cite your source.

Cite for us a country that was founded with the recognition that men have Rights that are above the law and cannot be changed?

What country entrusts its citizenry with weapons so that the people can repel tyranny in government?

What country has a Bill of Rights that guarantees absolute Rights?

Under the illegal/ de facto government we have today, the judicial branch has unconstitutionally legislated from the bench and turned our laws 180 degrees opposite of what they were intended to say.

 

[bodecea]

If we ever let liberals disarm us

...we'll just beat them to a pulp with our fists.

You mean beat them to a pulp with your little fists if you're anything like great leader trump.

No...just fantasize about beating them to a pulp with their tiny fists....that's what Deplorable trumpanzees do......live their violence vicariously thru social media.....too scared to be real with their violence.

 

[BluesLegend]

If we ever let liberals disarm us

...we'll just beat them to a pulp with our fists.

You mean beat them to a pulp with your little fists if you're anything like great leader trump.

You got stuffed into your high school locker daily.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If we ever let liberals disarm us

...we'll just beat them to a pulp with our fists.

You mean beat them to a pulp with your little fists if you're anything like great leader trump.

You got stuffed into your high school locker daily.

....and never got over that 'kick-me' sign....

 

[danielpalos]

left wing guys should not let their girlfriends be unhappy.

practice makes makes perfect.

is it a Good thing, women don't really believe in equality or equal rights.

 

[2aguy]

For eight years you guncrazies said the same things over and over. It's become a habit, a very bad habit. The more you keep this up the more dire you make your plight because your message was lost long ago.

Be careful, we are coming for your guns. All of them. We will come in black Choppers, black panel trucks, Tanks, all dressed in black with our faces covered. And we have your interment camps already built in the Deserts. You don't get a trial. So be prepared, we are not only coming for your guns but for you as well as an enemy of the State. Happy now?

And obama appointed anti gun judges all through the court system....and they have repeatedly ignored the Supreme Court cases that limit government banning guns......from California and New York, to Colorado and Washington State, they are banning categories of guns and magazines.....and these obama controlled courts are letting them do it...

 

[Daryl Hunt]

For eight years you guncrazies said the same things over and over. It's become a habit, a very bad habit. The more you keep this up the more dire you make your plight because your message was lost long ago.

Be careful, we are coming for your guns. All of them. We will come in black Choppers, black panel trucks, Tanks, all dressed in black with our faces covered. And we have your interment camps already built in the Deserts. You don't get a trial. So be prepared, we are not only coming for your guns but for you as well as an enemy of the State. Happy now?

And obama appointed anti gun judges all through the court system....and they have repeatedly ignored the Supreme Court cases that limit government banning guns......from California and New York, to Colorado and Washington State, they are banning categories of guns and magazines.....and these obama controlled courts are letting them do it...

You have been spouting this diatribe for so long that it's meaningless. So far, all the court rulings have been constant with the 1st, 2nd, 10th and the 14th amendment. You misinterpret one amendment and throw out all the rest. It doesn't work that way. You accept ALL of the Constitution of the United States or you accept none of it. The Courts can only rule on the whole thing, not just the parts that you like or misinterpret for your own ends. You keep waiting for some white hooded knight to come along in the form of a Chief Justice to rescue you from all the rest of us. Kavenhaugh is your latest great white hope. He's already singing a different tune. That happens when you sit in that chair. All of a sudden the weight of the position lays heavy on ones shoulder. Again, the Supreme Court can only rule on what the Constitution already says. They can't make up laws. And they steer clear of every 2nd amendment ruling like the plague unless it's something like Heller that reads something entirely differently than you claim it does. If you are that unhappy with the Constitution of the United States and it's Provisions here are some suggestions for you.

1. Move to a country with no gun laws. Yemen is one of the only places on Earth with no gun regulations. Not my cup of tea but it might be more to your liking. Of course, you will be battling for your own land on a daily and hourly basis by people that don't want you there. Bring plenty of ammo.

2. I am sure that there is a country in the Pacific that would sell you an island that you can separate from them for a few bucks and call it your own country where you get to make all the laws. It won't be very big and it will get much smaller during high tide. In fact, it will get smaller each year as the Seas rise. But since you also don't believe the seas are rising, that shouldn't be a problem for you. There is a historic name you can call your new but shrinking Nation. You can call it Rough and Ready.

See, I can make suggestions to make your happiness happen. But don't look for any great Messiah to come along in the United States. You think it's Trump but he's a false Prophet at best.