If we do not turn our love of self to our hate of self, we are bound for our near extinction.

I love the times times these lazy, spoiled people try to make us believe that they would be happier in a savage world where their inherently keen wits and violent natures would finally be an advantage.


Who are you blaiming for our 5,000 years of war history?

Religions or governments?

Regards
DL
There's a difference? It's all tribalism. Whether you are killing in the name of The Lord or killing in the name of The KIng it's all the same.

One is real and the other imaginary.

To you those might be the same but not to a dictionary.

Do want to die3 for reality or unreality?

Regards
DL
Not sure what you are talking about. Religions and governments are both social constructs meant to keep the masses in line. The very idea that they could be separate things did not exist prior to the founding of America. Even today most countries have a state religion and clergy has a place in the high counsels of government.

None of that takes away the fact that one side is selling a fact based reasoned ideology to sell itself while the other, religions, are selling pure fantasy.

Nether are particularly selling reality but at least politicians use facts, for the most part, while the mainstream religions use fiction and posit that a genocidal god id a good god.

Regards
DL
Not particularly enamored of religions either but they serve a real social purpose. They bind communities of people together for a common purpose better than governments ever could. They help people deal with the certainty of death and provide a daily social structure to promote order and lawfulness. Even the most bizarre, strict or violent religious practices once served a real purpose that helped people survive in a world without science.

They did have some good points in the past, but not enough today to make up for their homophobic and misogynous ways.

Religions are retarding our secular movement towards civilization and better laws.

They are holding us all back by refusing to give us all equal human status.

Regards
DL
Even in the most irreligious society there is still someone making themselves the final arbiter of morality. Russia is a good example of this. They punish "deviancy" just as much as any religious inquisition ever did.
 
I love the times times these lazy, spoiled people try to make us believe that they would be happier in a savage world where their inherently keen wits and violent natures would finally be an advantage.


Who are you blaiming for our 5,000 years of war history?

Religions or governments?

Regards
DL
There's a difference? It's all tribalism. Whether you are killing in the name of The Lord or killing in the name of The KIng it's all the same.

One is real and the other imaginary.

To you those might be the same but not to a dictionary.

Do want to die3 for reality or unreality?

Regards
DL
Not sure what you are talking about. Religions and governments are both social constructs meant to keep the masses in line. The very idea that they could be separate things did not exist prior to the founding of America. Even today most countries have a state religion and clergy has a place in the high counsels of government.

None of that takes away the fact that one side is selling a fact based reasoned ideology to sell itself while the other, religions, are selling pure fantasy.

Nether are particularly selling reality but at least politicians use facts, for the most part, while the mainstream religions use fiction and posit that a genocidal god id a good god.

Regards
DL
Not particularly enamored of religions either but they serve a real social purpose. They bind communities of people together for a common purpose better than governments ever could. They help people deal with the certainty of death and provide a daily social structure to promote order and lawfulness. Even the most bizarre, strict or violent religious practices once served a real purpose that helped people survive in a world without science.

They did have some good points in the past, but not enough today to make up for their homophobic and misogynous ways.

Religions are retarding our secular movement towards civilization and better laws.

They are holding us all back by refusing to give us all equal human status.

Regards
DL
Even in the most irreligious society there is still someone making themselves the final arbiter of morality. Russia is a good example of this. They punish "deviancy" just as much as any religious inquisition ever did.


People have the governments they deserve. In Russia's case, if they do not have vigilantes, then injustice will rule. Like in the U.S., the people fear the governments instead of the governments fearing the people.

Neither country's population seems to have the balls to rid themselves of garbage governing systems. The U.S. may be more offensive than Russia in some cases, but this is not the place to argue such.

You do show why a new ideology or even theology might be better than the what rules Russia today.

Regards
DL
 
I love the times times these lazy, spoiled people try to make us believe that they would be happier in a savage world where their inherently keen wits and violent natures would finally be an advantage.


Who are you blaiming for our 5,000 years of war history?

Religions or governments?

Regards
DL

It's both of course. Christendom has the most violent history of any group - in contrast to Jesus' teachings of love and peace, including that we should love our enemies (Matthew 5:44) which those of my religion actually do.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not go to war - neither did early Christians.
They also are not supposed to participate in man's government in any way. Exactly why are you here? )
 
I love the times times these lazy, spoiled people try to make us believe that they would be happier in a savage world where their inherently keen wits and violent natures would finally be an advantage.


Who are you blaiming for our 5,000 years of war history?

Religions or governments?

Regards
DL
There's a difference? It's all tribalism. Whether you are killing in the name of The Lord or killing in the name of The KIng it's all the same.
Often times it is done for more material motivations. God and king are just easy scapegoats.
 
If we do not turn our love of self to our hate of self, we are bound for our near extinction.

Science has shown that the good in us, our love side, is dominating us via our selfish gene.

Science is also showing us that we are in a major extinction event that may well include a vast number of people. I doubt that our full extinction will come to pass, but we will be reduced to such small numbers that we will likely revert to a less sophisticated system and city states.

If we do not turn our swords into plows, and devastate the worlds populations with war, our environment will do the deed and near extinct us.

We love our governments and gods. That is why we have let them bring us to the brink of extinction. We follow them so closely that we all have our heads stuck into the ground.

I think, given the incompetence of all governments and gods; we should let our great love for what leads us and turn it to hate, as we should, to insure the survival of people right here and right now. Start to hate the systems that got us all to this pitiful place in time.

We presently elect our incompetent governments and gods for a variety of reasons. We are all tribal and belong to a religious tribe or a government tribe. We all follow their ideologies, theologies or philosophies. We are all the same in this.

Surely, given that we are basically all humans, who wish to love more than hate, can hate those things that are putting us all in peril long enough to do something about our head long leap to near extinction.

The environment is under political control and they are killing our bodies. Our bodies harbor our souls to the physical world where our children live.

I think it is time for a god to take over.

I don’t care if it is a pedophile protecting Pope or a united Christianity, or newly elected Khalif of a newly united Islam, but a god must step up, as our political side has failed humankind completely.

Our politicians are not uniting the world and should be made to step down so that some form of religious system, chosen by the masses, so that we can try uniting under a newly elected god.

Jesus prophesied that that would become a necessity, and so did Socrates before him. Both were right in thinking that such a system would be the best possible end for political theories.

I urge the vast majority of the world, the religious, to have a final battle in the ongoing god wars, which involves our political gods as well. Let their hate out by debate and elect a new god of peace so that our current incompetent batch of leaders might find the best one.

My love of the religious has let loose my hate against our incompetent political leadership and I think we all should, elect a new god and save us from our own near extinction.

We have the means; do we have the will?

Regards
DL
Relax. The most the pandemic would take if left unchecked is 20%.
 
I love the times times these lazy, spoiled people try to make us believe that they would be happier in a savage world where their inherently keen wits and violent natures would finally be an advantage.


Who are you blaiming for our 5,000 years of war history?

Religions or governments?

Regards
DL

It's both of course. Christendom has the most violent history of any group - in contrast to Jesus' teachings of love and peace, including that we should love our enemies (Matthew 5:44) which those of my religion actually do.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not go to war - neither did early Christians.
That’s an unbalanced view. By any object measure Christianity has been an overwhelming force for good. It brought liberty and freedom to the world. It raised living standards.
 
I love the times times these lazy, spoiled people try to make us believe that they would be happier in a savage world where their inherently keen wits and violent natures would finally be an advantage.


Who are you blaiming for our 5,000 years of war history?

Religions or governments?

Regards
DL

It's both of course. Christendom has the most violent history of any group - in contrast to Jesus' teachings of love and peace, including that we should love our enemies (Matthew 5:44) which those of my religion actually do.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not go to war - neither did early Christians.
They also are not supposed to participate in man's government in any way. Exactly why are you here? )

Because J Ws have to pay taxes like everyone else so they cannot refuse to participate in our governance.

They have to follow the law of the land like everyone else.

A good thing given that their rape and abuse victims cannot get justice from J W, and must resort to civil courts for justice.

Regards
DL
 
You are breaking a core tenant of the religion participating in Politics. The only reason I am NOT a Jehovah Witness is politics. I spent 3 years learning about the group and would join in a heart beat if I could just ignore politics.
 
If we do not turn our love of self to our hate of self, we are bound for our near extinction.

Science has shown that the good in us, our love side, is dominating us via our selfish gene.

Science is also showing us that we are in a major extinction event that may well include a vast number of people. I doubt that our full extinction will come to pass, but we will be reduced to such small numbers that we will likely revert to a less sophisticated system and city states.

If we do not turn our swords into plows, and devastate the worlds populations with war, our environment will do the deed and near extinct us.

We love our governments and gods. That is why we have let them bring us to the brink of extinction. We follow them so closely that we all have our heads stuck into the ground.

I think, given the incompetence of all governments and gods; we should let our great love for what leads us and turn it to hate, as we should, to insure the survival of people right here and right now. Start to hate the systems that got us all to this pitiful place in time.

We presently elect our incompetent governments and gods for a variety of reasons. We are all tribal and belong to a religious tribe or a government tribe. We all follow their ideologies, theologies or philosophies. We are all the same in this.

Surely, given that we are basically all humans, who wish to love more than hate, can hate those things that are putting us all in peril long enough to do something about our head long leap to near extinction.

The environment is under political control and they are killing our bodies. Our bodies harbor our souls to the physical world where our children live.

I think it is time for a god to take over.

I don’t care if it is a pedophile protecting Pope or a united Christianity, or newly elected Khalif of a newly united Islam, but a god must step up, as our political side has failed humankind completely.

Our politicians are not uniting the world and should be made to step down so that some form of religious system, chosen by the masses, so that we can try uniting under a newly elected god.

Jesus prophesied that that would become a necessity, and so did Socrates before him. Both were right in thinking that such a system would be the best possible end for political theories.

I urge the vast majority of the world, the religious, to have a final battle in the ongoing god wars, which involves our political gods as well. Let their hate out by debate and elect a new god of peace so that our current incompetent batch of leaders might find the best one.

My love of the religious has let loose my hate against our incompetent political leadership and I think we all should, elect a new god and save us from our own near extinction.

We have the means; do we have the will?

Regards
DL
Relax. The most the pandemic would take if left unchecked is 20%.

What we now suffer is a drop in the bucket compared to what is predicted.

We have just shows how reactive we are instead of being pro-active ahead of what will try to destroy all of us in these near extinction times.

Regards
DL
 
It raised living standards.

Really? Religions are job creators are they? What products?

You measure with dollars instead of moral living.

That is why you put cash ahead of homophobia and misogyny and the brain killing notion that a genocidal prick of a god is a good god.

Regards
DL
 
You are breaking a core tenant of the religion participating in Politics. The only reason I am NOT a Jehovah Witness is politics. I spent 3 years learning about the group and would join in a heart beat if I could just ignore politics.

I hope I misread you on your joining J Ws.

You seem brighter and more moral than that. Even with politics aside, they are homophobic and misogynous and adore a satanic genocidal Yahweh.

Regards
DL
 
It raised living standards.

Really? Religions are job creators are they? What products?

You measure with dollars instead of moral living.

That is why you put cash ahead of homophobia and misogyny and the brain killing notion that a genocidal prick of a god is a good god.

Regards
DL
By any objective measure western civilization raised living standards. If you want to argue against that be my guest:lol:
 
That is why you put cash ahead of homophobia and misogyny and the brain killing notion that a genocidal prick of a god is a good god.
Atheists are materialists, so you are the materialist, not me.

Me stating the obvious that Christianity is a force for good and then backing it up by pointing out that Christianity was responsible for liberty and freedom and raising standard of living does not mean I place money over virtue. It means I can back up what I said.

You don’t have any morals and that’s why you attack the faith of others.
 

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