Zone1 The democrat Lame Stream Media has no ethics at all. I am showing what i posted on MSN and they say it isnt nice.

[alang1216]

You saw that in your lifetime?

There have been some big changes in the Catholic Church, in my lifetime.

 

[ding]

There have been some big changes in the Catholic Church, in my lifetime.

Like what?

 

[alang1216]

Like what?

As if you didn''t know.

Significant changes in the Catholic Church, particularly since Vatican II (1962–1965) and accelerated under Pope Francis, include liturgical modernization (vernacular Mass), increased lay involvement, and a shift towards global (rather than European) leadership. Modern shifts involve addressing sexual abuse, greater pastoral inclusivity, and a return to tradition in some parishes.
PBS +5
Key transformations:

• Liturgical Shift: The shift from Latin to vernacular languages, followed by a recent trend toward reclaiming traditional elements like Latin, chant, and increased confession availability.
• Papal Focus under Francis: Pope Francis has emphasized mercy, the environment, and inclusivity, including opening avenues for divorced Catholics to receive Communion and declaring the death penalty inadmissible.
• Global Demographic Shift: A major transition from a Western-centered church to one with a rapidly growing, young population in the global South (Africa, Asia).
• Lay Empowerment & Transparency: Increased reliance on lay faithful, coupled with immense pressure to address clerical sexual abuse and financial scandal reforms.
• Theological Nuance: A move away from a strict "no salvation outside the church" stance, focusing on dialogue with other faiths and a more pastoral approach to "irregular" life situations.
  PBS +5

These changes have created a dual trend: many parishes seek a "step back in time" with traditional worship, while the Vatican focuses on reforms and modernization.

Historically, the papacy's relationship with Judaism has shifted from centuries of instituted anti-semitism, forced conversions, and ghettoization (e.g., Popes Paul IV, Pius V) to modern reconciliation. While some pre-war popes defended Jews, the 1965
Nostra aetate declaration, under Paul VI, formally rejected collective Jewish guilt for Christ’s death, transforming Catholic-Jewish relations, furthered by John Paul II’s condemnation of anti-semitism as a sin.
Wikipedia +3

• Historic Anti-semitism: Popes through the centuries maintained restrictive policies. Pope Innocent III (1201) permitted forced baptisms, Pope Paul IV (1555) issued Cum nimis absurdum, restricting Jewish professions and creating ghettos, and Pope Clement VIII (1593) ordered expulsions.
• The Modern Era: Pope John Paul II revolutionized relations by calling anti-semitism a sin, being the first pope to visit the Rome Synagogue, and praying at the Western Wall.
• Wartime Leadership: Pope Pius XI (1922-1939) openly opposed Nazism. The actions of Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) regarding the Holocaust are widely debated, with critics pointing to his public silence on the Nazis, while others highlight his covert efforts to protect Jews.
• Nostra Aetate: The 1965 document from the Second Vatican Council, finalized under Pope Paul VI, fundamentally altered Catholic doctrine by repudiating the idea that Jews were collectively responsible for the death of Jesus and condemning all forms of anti-semitism.
• Recent Popes: Pope Benedict XVI visited Auschwitz in 2006, reaffirming the shared heritage of Christianity and Judaism.
  Wikipedia +6

 

[mudwhistle]

Maybe the problem isn't the media, maybe it is you?

I think it has more to do with Democrats acting like the Nazis they claim we are.

 

[alang1216]

I think it has more to do with Democrats acting like the Nazis they claim we are.

No, the problem is not with the media.

Discussions comparing the MAGA (Make America Great Again) movement to 1930s German Nazism frequently emerge in political discourse, focusing on structural, rhetorical, and ideological parallels. Critics, historians, and some political scientists point to several areas of overlap, while others argue the comparison is hyperbolic or minimizes the specific horrors of the Holocaust.
Baptist News Global +4
Based on analysis from various commentators, historians, and media sources, here are the frequently cited similarities:

• Nationalism and "Restoration" Narratives: Both movements are built on the idea that a once-great nation has been betrayed or humiliated, requiring a "strongman" leader to restore its former glory. The "Make America Great Again" slogan is viewed as a parallel to the Nazi promise of restoring German pride after WWI.
• Scapegoating and "Othering": Both movements blame specific groups for social, economic, and cultural decline. Nazi rhetoric targeted Jews and communists, while arguments regarding MAGA highlight the targeting of immigrants, LGBTQ+ individuals, political opponents, and media outlets.
• Cult of Personality: A central figure (Hitler/Trump) is treated as a messianic leader who alone can "fix" the nation's problems, cultivating intense loyalty that overrides traditional political norms.
• Attacks on Democratic Institutions and Media: Both movements demonize the press, labeling it "fake news" or "lying press" (Lügenpresse), and undermine trust in electoral systems and institutions like the judiciary and legislature.
• Rhetoric of Violence and Extremism: Critics point to the use of dehumanizing language (e.g., referring to opponents as "vermin" or saying immigrants are "poisoning the blood") as a parallel to Nazi propaganda. This is also linked to the glorification of action and potential support from far-right paramilitary groups.
• Traditionalism and Cultural Panic: Both movements promote a return to a specific, idealized past regarding family structures, gender roles, and religion, often framing progressivism as a threat to civilization.

Comparisons between the American Democratic Party and the Nazi Party are largely found in highly polarized political rhetoric rather than in mainstream political science or historical analysis. These comparisons often stem from specific, ideologically driven arguments regarding government power, policy goals, or the use of media.
It is important to note that Nazi ideology is fundamentally defined by violent, state-sponsored racism, the Holocaust, and the total destruction of democratic institutions, which is not aligned with the platform of the modern Democratic Party.
According to various political commentators, critics, and analysis of such arguments, here are the points often raised:

• Ideological Comparisons regarding Government Structure: Some critics, such as figures in the Republican party or conservative commentators, argue that the Democratic Party's support for a stronger central government, widespread regulation, and progressive taxation resembles the increased state control of the economy seen in various 20th-century movements.
• Platform Similarities (Rhetorical Argument): Some critics have argued that aspects of the early Nazi platform (1930s)—such as proposals for nationalization of businesses or state-managed welfare—find shallow parallels in modern left-wing policies, though this is often criticized as a misunderstanding of both historical context and modern political goals.
• Misuse of Rhetoric: Both Democrats and Republicans have been accused of misusing terms like "Nazi" or "fascist" to describe their political opponents, often using it as a generic term for "bad" rather than a precise historical description.
• Media and Social Messaging: Arguments have been made that both the Democratic party and the Nazis, in their respective contexts, have utilized centralized messaging to influence public opinion, with opponents sometimes accusing the Democratic party of controlling media narratives.
  The Hill +5

Key Contextual Differences:

• Race and Ideology: The central tenet of the Nazi Party was Aryan superiority and the eradication of minorities, particularly Jewish people, which is entirely contrary to the platforms of modern American political parties, including Democrats.
• Democratic Institution: The Democratic Party operates within a liberal democratic framework, supporting elections and constitutional rights, whereas the Nazi Party was dedicated to destroying democracy

 

[ding]

As if you didn''t know.

Significant changes in the Catholic Church, particularly since Vatican II (1962–1965) and accelerated under Pope Francis, include liturgical modernization (vernacular Mass), increased lay involvement, and a shift towards global (rather than European) leadership. Modern shifts involve addressing sexual abuse, greater pastoral inclusivity, and a return to tradition in some parishes.
PBS +5
Key transformations:

• Liturgical Shift: The shift from Latin to vernacular languages, followed by a recent trend toward reclaiming traditional elements like Latin, chant, and increased confession availability.
• Papal Focus under Francis: Pope Francis has emphasized mercy, the environment, and inclusivity, including opening avenues for divorced Catholics to receive Communion and declaring the death penalty inadmissible.
• Global Demographic Shift: A major transition from a Western-centered church to one with a rapidly growing, young population in the global South (Africa, Asia).
• Lay Empowerment & Transparency: Increased reliance on lay faithful, coupled with immense pressure to address clerical sexual abuse and financial scandal reforms.
• Theological Nuance: A move away from a strict "no salvation outside the church" stance, focusing on dialogue with other faiths and a more pastoral approach to "irregular" life situations.
  PBS +5

These changes have created a dual trend: many parishes seek a "step back in time" with traditional worship, while the Vatican focuses on reforms and modernization.

Historically, the papacy's relationship with Judaism has shifted from centuries of instituted anti-semitism, forced conversions, and ghettoization (e.g., Popes Paul IV, Pius V) to modern reconciliation. While some pre-war popes defended Jews, the 1965
Nostra aetate declaration, under Paul VI, formally rejected collective Jewish guilt for Christ’s death, transforming Catholic-Jewish relations, furthered by John Paul II’s condemnation of anti-semitism as a sin.
Wikipedia +3

• Historic Anti-semitism: Popes through the centuries maintained restrictive policies. Pope Innocent III (1201) permitted forced baptisms, Pope Paul IV (1555) issued Cum nimis absurdum, restricting Jewish professions and creating ghettos, and Pope Clement VIII (1593) ordered expulsions.
• The Modern Era: Pope John Paul II revolutionized relations by calling anti-semitism a sin, being the first pope to visit the Rome Synagogue, and praying at the Western Wall.
• Wartime Leadership: Pope Pius XI (1922-1939) openly opposed Nazism. The actions of Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) regarding the Holocaust are widely debated, with critics pointing to his public silence on the Nazis, while others highlight his covert efforts to protect Jews.
• Nostra Aetate: The 1965 document from the Second Vatican Council, finalized under Pope Paul VI, fundamentally altered Catholic doctrine by repudiating the idea that Jews were collectively responsible for the death of Jesus and condemning all forms of anti-semitism.
• Recent Popes: Pope Benedict XVI visited Auschwitz in 2006, reaffirming the shared heritage of Christianity and Judaism.
  Wikipedia +6

And what do you believe this shows or means?

 

[alang1216]

And what do you believe this shows or means?

Evolution of the Church caused by the selective pressure of Western society.

 

[ding]

Evolution of the Church caused by the selective pressure of Western society.

Interesting. What dogmatic beliefs have changed?

 

[alang1216]

Interesting. What dogmatic beliefs have changed?

for one:

• Nostra Aetate: The 1965 document from the Second Vatican Council, finalized under Pope Paul VI, fundamentally altered Catholic doctrine by repudiating the idea that Jews were collectively responsible for the death of Jesus and condemning all forms of anti-semitism.

 

[ding]

for one:

• Nostra Aetate: The 1965 document from the Second Vatican Council, finalized under Pope Paul VI, fundamentally altered Catholic doctrine by repudiating the idea that Jews were collectively responsible for the death of Jesus and condemning all forms of anti-semitism.

I don't believe that is dogma per se. But that is 100% a logical conclusion. If Christ died for the sins of all, then it is logical to assume that anyone who has sinned is an author of his death.

Dogma is a specific, unchanging, and divinely revealed truth formally defined by the Church, while doctrine is a broader term encompassing all official Church teachings on faith and morals. Dogma is a subset of doctrine—all dogma is doctrine, but not all doctrine is dogma.