If We Close Down All Mosques; Eliminate All Korans. THEN What ?

[Dana7360]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

What you described above can never happen in America.

We have a constitution that prevents our government from ever doing such a thing.

Most of the criminals in America are christians. Do you want to do the same thing to christianity?
There are thousands of christians right here in America who kill other people. In large quantities. We have thousands of serial killers here. None of them are muslim that I know of. The Green River Killer was a christian. So was the Hill Side Strangler. So was the Zodiac Killer. So was Timothy McVeigh. Then there are the parents who kill their kids because they said god told them or god told them not to seek medical treatment. I could go on and on with christians killing innocent people but we don't hear anyone wanting to hold the whole christian religion responsible for what some of their followers do.

So if you want the government to persecute a religion you're going to have to go to a different nation. Our constitution prevents our government from ever doing such a thing.

 

[Dana7360]

No I don't think we need to close down mosques, but we do need to monitor them for hate speech against others, and evidence of radicalism.

True, of course, but that requires massive resources that America is under great strain already having to fight the global jihad. And since Islam is unconstitutional and has been illegal by the the Supremacy clause + 2 US Codes, why tolerate it at tremendous expense to ourselves.

Again the question is what happens after the shut down ?

Desolate religious addicts roam the streets like drug addicts looking for that next high...

They could convert to Christianity. A good move.

hitler was christian.

 

[Edgetho]

Here's a shocking disclosure.....

Are you sitting down??

Report: Lying Cocksucker in Chief's New Anti-ISIS Propaganda Chief Has Close Ties to Muslim Brotherhood

Shocker.

Via Breitbart:

The Obama administration is revamping its efforts to combat Islamic State (ISIS or ISIL) propaganda. ISIS and its supporters produce “as many as 90,000 tweets and other social media responses every day,” reports The New York Times.

An empowered Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications, currently a small component of the U.S. State Department, will spearhead the new campaign to fight the ISIS propaganda machine.

Rashad Hussain, a Muslim American with close ties to the White House, will replace Alberto Fernandez, the center’s director, according to The Times.

Hussain, who has reportedly participated in events linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, currently serves as Obama’s special envoy to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. He will take over when Fernandez retires in April.

“Hussain, a devout Muslim, has a history of participating in events connected with the Muslim Brotherhood,” reported Cal Thomas in an article published by Townhall.

 

[Liminal]

No I don't think we need to close down mosques, but we do need to monitor them for hate speech against others, and evidence of radicalism.

True, of course, but that requires massive resources that America is under great strain already having to fight the global jihad. And since Islam is unconstitutional and has been illegal by the Supremacy clause + 2 US Codes, why tolerate it, at tremendous expense to ourselves ?

Again the question is what happens after the shut down ?

I think I just figured out what's going on here. You work for ISIS, you are as Islamic terrorist, you are here to incite anti Islamic feelings, because your terrorist handlers understand the value of propaganda. Are you also an ISIS recruiter? I think the FBI should have a close look at what you've written, followed by a full background investigation.

 

[Liminal]

Here's a shocking disclosure.....

Are you sitting down??

Report: Lying Cocksucker in Chief's New Anti-ISIS Propaganda Chief Has Close Ties to Muslim Brotherhood

Shocker.

Via Breitbart:

The Obama administration is revamping its efforts to combat Islamic State (ISIS or ISIL) propaganda. ISIS and its supporters produce “as many as 90,000 tweets and other social media responses every day,” reports The New York Times.

An empowered Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications, currently a small component of the U.S. State Department, will spearhead the new campaign to fight the ISIS propaganda machine.

Rashad Hussain, a Muslim American with close ties to the White House, will replace Alberto Fernandez, the center’s director, according to The Times.

Hussain, who has reportedly participated in events linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, currently serves as Obama’s special envoy to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. He will take over when Fernandez retires in April.

“Hussain, a devout Muslim, has a history of participating in events connected with the Muslim Brotherhood,” reported Cal Thomas in an article published by Townhall.

If it comes from Breitbart it doesn't count.

 

[Dana7360]

Yeah right, use the mythical "separation church/state" against the Koran the same way they banned the Bible.

They don't have our constitution so it's stupid to expect them follow it.

If we ban the koran then there's no need to fight against them. We would be just like them. Doing the same things they do which would mean we approve of what they're doing.

If we have to become exactly the same as those we oppose we stop opposing them and become them.

 

[Syriusly]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained..

What would the effect be of ignoring the Constitution? The effect of eliminating religious freedom?

If we can do it for one religion, then we can do it with whatever religion the majority wants to eliminate- Mormons, Jews, Catholics, Bahai......

 

[Coyote]

And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

In over that time period there has been little change in the Bible either, a set of books full of violence, intolerance, murder and mayhem. Yet the religion changed.

 

[Coyote]

You would still be a failure...you would just have one less group to blame.

Besides talking like a fool, do you think you might tell the readers what the hell you're talking about ?

speaking of talking like a fool, your opening post covered that venue quite nicely.
So because you don't like them strip them of numerous Constitutional rights, ostracize them and when your idiotic plan creates terrorists on these shores you can double down on stupidity and blame liberals.

Certain stupid people tried the same silly bullshit with Christianity, the result:

Others believe that the early church met in houses due to persecution, and home meetings were the most viable option to the early adopters of Christianity.

Several passages in the Bible specifically mention churches meeting in houses. "The churches of Asia greet you, especially Aquila and Priscilla greet you much in the Lord, along with the church that is in their house." I Cor 16:19. The church meeting in the house of Priscilla and Aquila is again mentioned in Romans 16:3, 5. The church that meets in the house of Nymphas is also cited in the Bible: "Greet the brethren in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in her house." Col 4:15.

For the first 300 years of early Christianity, people met in homes until Constantine legalized Christianity, and the assembly moved out of houses into temples creating the auditorium style church seen today.[6]


I gladly don't share this wish on America as you do:

You want to play the pictures game ? OK. I'll play that game with you. How do these grab you ? The guy with the funny hat is the Islamic Palestinian Grand Mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini, a close ally of Hitler, and the Nazi-uniformed guys with the funny Arabian hats are the Muslim contingent in the Nazi Waffen SS.

PS - the Grand Mufti is the highest official of religious law in a Sunni or Ibadi Muslim country.

View attachment 36949 View attachment 36950 View attachment 36951

You left out the important bits.

He was the Grand Mufti of Jeruselum. Jeruselum only. Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Coyote]

Yeah right, use the mythical "separation church/state" against the Koran the same way they banned the Bible.

The Bible isn't banned. Don't be stupid.

 

[Redfish]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

has anyone suggested doing that? NO. This is just another foolish left wing troll thread.

close it, mods.

 

[Agit8r]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

Would we have to sandblast Mohammed off the Supreme Court building?

Muhammad Sculpture Inside Supreme Court a Gesture of Goodwill - Law Blog - WSJ

From your post link >> "“We appreciate the Supreme Court’s effort to acknowledge the contribution of Prophet Muhammad in law-giving in history,” said Nihad Awad, the the executive director of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations), one of the top Muslim Brotherhood front organizations in America, on documented record (the Explanatory Memorandum) having the stated goal of destroying and eliminating America and all of Western Civilization.

PS - Nihad Awad has a nickname among FBI agents. He's commonly known as Jihad Awad.

The placing of this sculpture in the SCOTUS is an act of treason.

Well, according to the right-wing lunatic fringe, the adornments of the Supreme Court building is a 100% authoritative representation of what this nation was founded on. See 1:40 mark:

 

[protectionist]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

Do you have a faith of your own?

Christian (mostly)

 

[protectionist]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

Do you have a faith of your own?

if-we-close-down-all-mosques-, then we have to rip up the Constitution.

We've been ripping it up for 226 years, by having them open (yes folks, there will always be mindless posts)

And this is one of them.

You just called the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2), and US Codes 2384 & 2385, "mindless". Easy to see who's doing the mindless posting here.

 

[protectionist]

"If We Close Down All Mosques; Eliminate All Korans. THEN What ?"

You would first need to amend the Constitution repealing the First Amendment.

Good luck with that.

FALSE! This thread has nothing to do with the Constitution other than the reason for closing down Islam entirely, due to its violation of the Constitution (Article 6 Section 2, the Supremacy Clause), + violation of US Codes 2384 & 2385.

Stop posting OFF TOPIC, and either talk about the thread topic (Islam/Koran reformation) or get out of the thread.

Why do you bother posting when you obviously don't know anything about the US Constitution?

What a coincidence! I was just thinking of asking you the same question. Well, since you don't, now you will know something about it, and can't claim ignorance any more. >>

US Constitution - Article 6,Section 2

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Here's something else your liberal teachers "forgot" to teach you >>

US Code >> Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2384

"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

 

[protectionist]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

What you described above can never happen in America.

We have a constitution that prevents our government from ever doing such a thing.

Most of the criminals in America are christians. Do you want to do the same thing to christianity?
There are thousands of christians right here in America who kill other people. In large quantities. We have thousands of serial killers here. None of them are muslim that I know of. The Green River Killer was a christian. So was the Hill Side Strangler. So was the Zodiac Killer. So was Timothy McVeigh. Then there are the parents who kill their kids because they said god told them or god told them not to seek medical treatment. I could go on and on with christians killing innocent people but we don't hear anyone wanting to hold the whole christian religion responsible for what some of their followers do.

So if you want the government to persecute a religion you're going to have to go to a different nation. Our constitution prevents our government from ever doing such a thing.

1. Islam is not a religion, and it wouldn't matter if it was. Nothing is allowed to be supreme over the Constitution. That includes religions.

2. Islam is banned, because of its supremacy, by Article 6, Section 2, of the Constitution. If Christianity was supremacist, like Islam, it would be banned too.

 

[protectionist]

No I don't think we need to close down mosques, but we do need to monitor them for hate speech against others, and evidence of radicalism.

True, of course, but that requires massive resources that America is under great strain already having to fight the global jihad. And since Islam is unconstitutional and has been illegal by the the Supremacy clause + 2 US Codes, why tolerate it at tremendous expense to ourselves.

Again the question is what happens after the shut down ?

Desolate religious addicts roam the streets like drug addicts looking for that next high...

They could convert to Christianity. A good move.

hitler was christian.

Evidence Mounting That Hitler Was A Muslim and Practiced Islam sharia unveiled

 

[protectionist]

No I don't think we need to close down mosques, but we do need to monitor them for hate speech against others, and evidence of radicalism.

True, of course, but that requires massive resources that America is under great strain already having to fight the global jihad. And since Islam is unconstitutional and has been illegal by the Supremacy clause + 2 US Codes, why tolerate it, at tremendous expense to ourselves ?

Again the question is what happens after the shut down ?

I think I just figured out what's going on here. You work for ISIS, you are as Islamic terrorist, you are here to incite anti Islamic feelings, because your terrorist handlers understand the value of propaganda. Are you also an ISIS recruiter? I think the FBI should have a close look at what you've written, followed by a full background investigation.

That's very dumb. If you read all my OPs and postings, you'd easily see that I'm perhaps the # 1 enemy of ISIS in this forum.

EXTERMINATE ISIS NOW US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

US Needs to Send Ground Troops to Fight ISIS NOW. US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

FBI Director Won t Arrest American ISIS Fighters. Whaaat US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[protectionist]

Here's a shocking disclosure.....

Are you sitting down??

Report: Lying Cocksucker in Chief's New Anti-ISIS Propaganda Chief Has Close Ties to Muslim Brotherhood

Shocker.

Via Breitbart:

The Obama administration is revamping its efforts to combat Islamic State (ISIS or ISIL) propaganda. ISIS and its supporters produce “as many as 90,000 tweets and other social media responses every day,” reports The New York Times.

An empowered Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications, currently a small component of the U.S. State Department, will spearhead the new campaign to fight the ISIS propaganda machine.

Rashad Hussain, a Muslim American with close ties to the White House, will replace Alberto Fernandez, the center’s director, according to The Times.

Hussain, who has reportedly participated in events linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, currently serves as Obama’s special envoy to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. He will take over when Fernandez retires in April.

“Hussain, a devout Muslim, has a history of participating in events connected with the Muslim Brotherhood,” reported Cal Thomas in an article published by Townhall.

If it comes from Breitbart it doesn't count.

NONSENSE!! Lots of good information is published in Brietbart. I have referenced to its articles many times. Also, Brietbart is a website. If you have a problem with an article in Breitbart, you need to address THAT article, THAT author, and THAT information posted in that article. Otherwise, you're saying nothing. Anybody can use the INVALIDATION CARD. That's meaningless.

 

[protectionist]

And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

In over that time period there has been little change in the Bible either, a set of books full of violence, intolerance, murder and mayhem. Yet the religion changed.

Totally false. The Bible changed from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Huge change. In addition, Christianity was overhauled big time, by the Protestant Reformation, in which various Christian religions emerged all based on the New Testament, while Catholics continued to look to the Pope in Rome instead.