If Trump had truly wanted to get a deal done with Ukraine, he...

[justoffal]

Nope.

You guys elected someone who has no business being president, and he just showed you why.

Z did a Rope A Dope

Yeah.... That's about right

 

[Seymour Flops]

Is he really trying to "help" Zelensky, or is his motive simply to help himself and make himself look good? Why would democrats need to "tell" Zelensky what he's know for the last 3 years now?

I can’t read Trump’s mind. His motivations are irrelevant. The mineral deal would help Ukraine on more than one level. Zelenskyy blew it by listening to the losing side.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, yeah. You've hit the nail on the head with that one. It is a very unique feature of Donald Trump that he does not react well to insults from people that he is trying to help. Very much unlike Obama, Biden, and Clinton, who enjoyed being insulted by dependents of the United States.

Correcting Trump's fucking ignorance is insulting him? Trump is the one who claimed Ukraine started the war (demonstrably false) and then tried to rob Ukraine of her mineral wealth without making any guarantees of her security.

No doubt the Democrats he met with told him, "Don't just meekly sign the mineral deal. Link it to "security gaurantees," and inist that Trump do more for your country."

I guess he really does not understand that elections have consequences. Or maybe he does, which is why he don't want any

Guy, the election was about cheap eggs, which we haven't gotten yet. Most Americans support Ukraine.

And not all of them are insufferable suckups like Lindsey Graham.

 

[JoeB131]

I can’t read Trump’s mind. His motivations are irrelevant. The mineral deal would help Ukraine on more than one level. Zelenskyy blew it by listening to the losing side.

How would the mineral deal have helped Ukraine?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Yeah.... He should at least try on a suit.

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I wonder if this one is borrowed.

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[justoffal]

Correcting Trump's fucking ignorance is insulting him? Trump is the one who claimed Ukraine started the war (demonstrably false) and then tried to rob Ukraine of her mineral wealth without making any guarantees of her security.



Guy, the election was about cheap eggs, which we haven't gotten yet. Most Americans support Ukraine.

And not all of them are insufferable suckups like Lindsey Graham.

Well to be fair it's more than eggs. It's the economy in general which so far hasn't done any improving. There's a very short window between now and the midterms. Somebody better do something quickly or the same thing that took down The Biden administration will take down this administration also.

Most people who do the grocery shopping don't give a shit about excuses or political parties. They know one thing...what they have in their shopping basket and what's left in their wallet.

 

[JoeB131]

Well to be fair it's more than eggs. It's the economy in general which so far hasn't done any improving. There's a very short window between now and the midterms. Somebody better do something quickly or the same thing that took down The Biden administration will take down this administration also.

Most people who do the grocery shopping don't give a shit about excuses or political parties. They know one thing...what they have in their shopping basket and what's left in their wallet.

A couple of points. The issues that cause inflation haven't really gone away, and the only reason why it's somewhat under control now is because interest rates are so high.

Trump's tariffs will increase inflation.

The thing about Biden's inflation is that while prices were going up, so where wages. That simply won't be the case with Trump's inflation, and a bit worse, there's probably going to be a jump in unemployment around the corner as well.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump was up front and open about the details of everything BEFORE Friday. They were all very clear. Zelensky came here anyway. He shouldn't have come if he didn't agree with Trump.

Or at least he should have waited until being behind closed doors to air his disagreements.

Taking the in your face in front of the world approach looks exactly like what Dems would advise. He fell for it and his people will suffer for it.

 

[JoeB131]

Or at least he should have waited until being behind closed doors to air his disagreements.

Taking the in your face in front of the world approach looks exactly like what Dems would advise. He fell for it and his people will suffer for it.

You mean he finally got fed up after listening to Trump berate him and praise Putin.

It would be like making Jew sit there for 40 minutes and listen to praise of Hitler.

PUTIN IS SLAUGHTERING HIS PEOPLE.

 

[krichton]

I can’t read Trump’s mind. His motivations are irrelevant. The mineral deal would help Ukraine on more than one level. Zelenskyy blew it by listening to the losing side.

Having US workers in Ukraine will do absolutely nothing. Not a single employee will be in Ukraine if fighting were to ever erupt again. There ways both countries can avoid this. Putin also still hasn't agreed to any terms. He still wants Ukraine to demilitarize or there is no deal. So...tell me how exactly would there have been peace?

 

[justoffal]

A couple of points. The issues that cause inflation haven't really gone away, and the only reason why it's somewhat under control now is because interest rates are so high.

Trump's tariffs will increase inflation.

The thing about Biden's inflation is that while prices were going up, so where wages. That simply won't be the case with Trump's inflation, and a bit worse, there's probably going to be a jump in unemployment around the corner as well.

You and I can discuss these things and the various economic nuances that go with them.
But that's the rare case.... Even though I work with highly educated people discussions like these simply do not take place. It all boils down to that trip to the grocery store and the eventual presence in the checkout line. Trump Will either find a way to affect the kitchen table expenses in the next six to eight months or he will suffer at the midterms.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Having US workers in Ukraine will do absolutely nothing. Not a single employee will be in Ukraine if fighting were to ever erupt again. There ways both countries can avoid this. Putin also still hasn't agreed to any terms. He still wants Ukraine to demilitarize or there is no deal. So...tell me how exactly would there have been peace?

I didn’t say there would have been peace, I said it would help Ukraine.

Zelenskyy doesn’t want peace, so that’s off the table.

Trump has more patience than I do. I would have told Zelinski to fuck off as soon as I realize he had no intention of bargaining for peace.

 

[Mac1958]

It was clearly an ambush.

The Trump administration is looking for an excuse to get out of supporting Ukraine so they went with this ridiculous talking point about Zelensky not being thankful enough.

It was ridiculously stupid, planned, and a complete embarrassment in front of the entire world.

Trump lost his shit because he's used to being able to suck the dignity and self-respect out of anyone who comes in his orbit.

That list is pretty long, obviously.

Z didn't let him, and paid the price.

 

[krichton]

I didn’t say there would have been peace, I said it would help Ukraine.

Zelenskyy doesn’t want peace, so that’s off the table.

Trump has more patience than I do. I would have told Zelinski to fuck off as soon as I realize he had no intention of bargaining for peace.

If Zelensky didn't want peace why fly all the way to DC on Trump's invite? His answer to any deal has always been to demand a security guarantee. Why would he change his mind now? More likely, he was simply lured here under a false Trump promise that he'd consider it. Why blame Zelensky when this was all a ploy by Trump to stage that argument during the press conference.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If Zelensky didn't want peace why fly all the way to DC on Trump's invite? His answer to any deal has always been to demand a security guarantee. Why would he change his mind now? More likely, he was simply lured here under a false Trump promise that he'd consider it. Why blame Zelensky when this was all a ploy by Trump to stage that argument during the press conference.

The meeting on Friday was only supposed to be about the rare earth agreement. It must’ve been the Democrats who met with him before the meeting that convinced him he could use the opportunity to push his agenda.

How exactly would a security guarantee work? No one seems to be able to answer that.

Or they just don’t want to because they know it would not be acceptable.

 

[Slade3200]

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twitchy.com

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn).

nypost.com

Haha, he also met with Lindsey Graham and other Republican Senators. That’s all part of the process. You need to calm down with the hyperbolic assumptions. Makes you sound like a moron

 

[IDIOCRACY]

...wouldn't have held a presser right before the signing. It was an ambush.

Change my mind. I want to hear both sides explain why or why not.

Personally, it was a childish display from both sides. Zelensky's body language, Vance's demands for thanks. The media questions about Zelensky not wearing a suit. It was all pretty childish.

Was there some hidden tactic behind that farce? You tell me. Because now Zelensky is signaling his willingness to sign the deal.

Thing about left speak is it's always projection, a distortion, distraction, antonym, absurdity, ambition and/or confession.

The OP covers a lot of that, the Democracks met with Z before Z met with Trump. Trump's crew know what they're doing, the left are simply twisted.

 

[Slade3200]

Thing about left speak is it's always projection, a distortion, distraction, antonym, absurdity, ambition and/or confession.

The OP covers a lot of that, the Democracks met with Z before Z met with Trump. Trump's crew know what they're doing, the left are simply twisted.

Republicans met with Z as well. Seems like in this case it’s you and your side doing the presumptions and distortions

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Z thought he could just come in, get the free grift, fly home, buy another multimillion mansion and laugh. Z can pound dirt.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

It's time to investigate where all of these corn pop hundreds of billions went to.